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ShaggyDirk · 07-22-2010, 09:24 AM

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Originally Posted by fluid.forty.one

Question... (POSSIBLE INCEPTION SPOILER)

Cobb went into limbo before the asian dude, right? It shows Cobb and the girl go in first AND while they are in there Cobb says "he should be in here soon"... so why was Cobb so much younger than him when they met up? Did Cobb have to reenter limbo?

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SPOILERS***

This does a pretty good job of trying to explain stuff.

Underdog · 07-22-2010, 09:38 AM

I recently watched 15 minutes of Up In The Air and had to turn it off...

What movie did everyone else see, because all I saw was an extended American Airlines ad...

(seriously, I haven't seen a movie so pretentious and full of itself since Juno, which I also turned off after 15 mins...)

nikeball · 07-22-2010, 01:01 PM

Underdog · 07-22-2010, 01:17 PM

^ greatness

Big Boy Laroux · 07-22-2010, 03:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Underdog

I recently watched 15 minutes of Up In The Air and had to turn it off...

What movie did everyone else see, because all I saw was an extended American Airlines ad...

I have never understood complaints like this. Yes, i'm sure American Airlines paid a hefty sum to have their name in the movie. Good for them and good for the producers for getting that money.

To me, it would be more distracting to have him flying on some made-up airline. fake product placements take me out of a movie much more than real product placement.

fluid.forty.one · 07-22-2010, 03:32 PM

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Originally Posted by ShaggyDirk

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SPOILERS***

This does a pretty good job of trying to explain stuff.

That makes sense. Cobb must have been "Thrown back into limbo" because I'm 90% sure that Saito died in dream world 1 AFTER Cobb and the girl went in. Cobb re-entering limbo because of the stab makes sense.

One more thing I don't get is how Cobb and the girl were able to keep their senses when they entered limbo. It was like they weren't affected at all and they were able to get straight to work. Isn't it not suppose to work like that?

DevinHarriswillstart · 07-22-2010, 03:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Underdog

I recently watched 15 minutes of Up In The Air and had to turn it off...

What movie did everyone else see, because all I saw was an extended American Airlines ad...

(seriously, I haven't seen a movie so pretentious and full of itself since Juno, which I also turned off after 15 mins...)

YES! Thank you! And do you know what is worse? Watching it on an American Airlines flight like I did....

Underdog · 07-22-2010, 04:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Big Boy Laroux

I have never understood complaints like this. Yes, i'm sure American Airlines paid a hefty sum to have their name in the movie. Good for them and good for the producers for getting that money.

To me, it would be more distracting to have him flying on some made-up airline. fake product placements take me out of a movie much more than real product placement.

Have you seen the movie?

The first scene of significance involves 2 characters comparing their American Airlines frequent flyer miles for almost 5 minutes!

It's not just product placement - the script literally reads like a television commercial...

GermanDunk · 07-22-2010, 04:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Nash13

Chloe......Not going to lie, i originally only wanted to see this for a few select scenes, but overall it was a pretty decent movie. the twist was way too predictable, and the end i didn't care for, but i liked it.

You mean the scene with Chloe crashing out of the window, eh ?

Big Boy Laroux · 07-22-2010, 10:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Underdog

Have you seen the movie?

The first scene of significance involves 2 characters comparing their American Airlines frequent flyer miles for almost 5 minutes!

It's not just product placement - the script literally reads like a television commercial...

Yes I've seen it, actually really liked it. One of my favorite movies from last year.

You were focusing on the wrong thing. It wasn't that it was American Airlines specifically, it was just the amount of travel. Building up their characters as true road warriors, and introducing the comedic element of being turned on by each other's traveling "prowess". It could have been Delta, or US Air, etc. Again, if they had been talking about accumulating miles on Oceanic Airlines, that would have been ridiculous.

All travelers have their preferred airline, most of time based solely on their home location. Business travelers based out of Dallas, for example, would be travelling American all the time because of the hub at DFW. Maybe Southwest at Love Field, to a lesser extent.

Once they start to get miles on one airline, they go out of their way to continue to build miles. The more miles you gain, the more perks you get. Folks get fanatical about that stuff. People like that exist, I work with a lot of them. I have many coworkers that will take flights that have multiple connections (2 or more!), just so they can fly their preferred airline! With me, it's all about the direct flight - I don't care about building miles, although it seems the bulk of my flights are on southwest (Nashville is kind of a mini-hub for Southwest).

If you watched the rest and didn't like it, so be it. I'm not the kind of person that forces my personal tastes on others. But to give up on it because of scenes that were meant as character introduction seems pretty hasty.

Underdog · 07-23-2010, 07:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Big Boy Laroux

Yes I've seen it, actually really liked it. One of my favorite movies from last year.

You were focusing on the wrong thing. It wasn't that it was American Airlines specifically, it was just the amount of travel. Building up their characters as true road warriors, and introducing the comedic element of being turned on by each other's traveling "prowess". It could have been Delta, or US Air, etc. Again, if they had been talking about accumulating miles on Oceanic Airlines, that would have been ridiculous.

All travelers have their preferred airline, most of time based solely on their home location. Business travelers based out of Dallas, for example, would be travelling American all the time because of the hub at DFW. Maybe Southwest at Love Field, to a lesser extent.

Once they start to get miles on one airline, they go out of their way to continue to build miles. The more miles you gain, the more perks you get. Folks get fanatical about that stuff. People like that exist, I work with a lot of them. I have many coworkers that will take flights that have multiple connections (2 or more!), just so they can fly their preferred airline! With me, it's all about the direct flight - I don't care about building miles, although it seems the bulk of my flights are on southwest (Nashville is kind of a mini-hub for Southwest).

If you watched the rest and didn't like it, so be it. I'm not the kind of person that forces my personal tastes on others. But to give up on it because of scenes that were meant as character introduction seems pretty hasty.

No, I get it - I'm just not interested in watching a movie about it.

Why not make a 2-hour long movie about doing taxes? Or maybe something more interesting like watching a character paint a room in their house?

Because I know once you get past the American Airlines commercial, it's nothing but George Clooney furling his brow and mugging for the camera (with a love story and ironic twist tossed into the mix).

No, thanks - I've seen enough movies to know when they're not moving in a direction I'm interested in.

Inception was cool though (but that's kinda like comparing apples to awesome!)

Big Boy Laroux · 07-23-2010, 10:27 AM

it's fine, you just weren't in the demographic. I was merely commenting on you saying it was an "American Airlines Commercial", which indicated you were absolutely focused on the wrong thing. If you said you just weren't interested in watching a movie about business travel, then I understand that. I certainly wouldn't compare it to doing taxes or painting. As a business traveler myself, there were tons of scenes and jokes that elevated the movie for me.

Yes, I do agree that George Clooney was essentially playing himself in the movie, but he was still good. To me, the story was good, the acting was good, the scenes with the real-life people were great - made it a good movie to me.

I do plan on seeing Inception. I've always liked Nolan - Memento and The Prestige are up on my favorite move list.

Underdog · 07-23-2010, 10:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Big Boy Laroux

it's fine, you just weren't in the demographic.

Bingo! (it probably doesn't help that my father is an American Airlines pilot either - that movie pretty much highlighted the dullest parts of my childhood...)

But it was ultimately the "commercial" aspect that broke the camel's back for me, otherwise I probably could have immersed myself into the story...

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I do plan on seeing Inception. I've always liked Nolan - Memento and The Prestige are up on my favorite move list.

Those are actually my favorite Christopher Nolan movies. Inception isn't as hard to "figure out" as The Prestige or Memento, but it makes you think just as much when it's over. Plus, the action is better/more focused than in his Batman movies.

If you like Christopher Nolan, then you'll like Inception.

Flacolaco · 07-23-2010, 10:45 AM

I haven't seen in Inception yet...still waiting for the stars to align (anyone want to babysit?) but I'm surprised to see you (UD) say that it won't make you think as much as The Prestige...which was an awesome movie, but I don't remember doing much in the way of head scratching...where as Inception...I'm hearing people say they still don't get it and they need to see it twice or three times and people are writing blogs and explanations to help people, etc... Are they really that wrong?

Underdog · 07-23-2010, 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Flacolaco

I haven't seen in Inception yet...still waiting for the stars to align (anyone want to babysit?) but I'm surprised to see you (UD) say that it won't make you think as much as The Prestige...which was an awesome movie, but I don't remember doing much in the way of head scratching...where as Inception...I'm hearing people say they still don't get it and they need to see it twice or three times and people are writing blogs and explanations to help people, etc... Are they really that wrong?

The big difference between Inception and The Prestige is box office dollars...

If EVERYONE had gone to see The Prestige, then EVERYONE would have said the same thing about that one too. Only people who were attracted to "thinking" movies bothered to go see The Prestige, whereas every moron in America is lining up to see Inception because of the Dark Knight's success... Also, The Prestige's timeframe jumped around and made it difficult to tell *when* certain events happened, not to mention it clouded which parts of the story actually took place and which were fictional accounts written in the diary to throw off the competition - some of what you saw/heard in the movie never actually happened...

The thing about Inception is that when the movie is over, you're like "that was a good movie, but not great - there seemed to be a few inconsistencies" (which is where some of the negative reviews came from)... But then you get home and start talking about it and someone points out, "did you notice such-and-such?" and all of a sudden your entire perspective of the movie changes because you realize that Christopher Nolan MEANT for certain aspects to be inconsistent/ambiguous...

I can't really get into details because I don't want to spoil it, but as far as I can tell, there are 3 different perspectives that people have of this movie and all 3 are essentially correct, depending on what the viewer wants to believe... It's kinda like reading the Bible - there's a million different ways to translate the words, but the only one that matters is the one you believe in (but it's not like the words themselves are confusing - just their meaning...)

But these are just words on a computer screen - go see Inception and figure it out for yourself. You won't be disappointed, nor should you be confused if you were sharp enough to keep up with The Prestige.

Hell, it's not about being *confused* anyway - it's about discovering more & more layers to the story as you think more about it... It's like an onion.

Flacolaco · 07-23-2010, 12:06 PM

I literally haven't been to the movies since before my daughter was born. It must have been....last August, perhaps, since I've been to a movie.

Big Boy Laroux · 07-23-2010, 12:31 PM

no kidding, man! I just go when i'm out of town.

CadBane · 07-23-2010, 11:56 PM

http://nymag.com/daily/entertainment....html#comments

This interview with Inception actor Dileep Rao (Yusuf) is very insightful. I concur with everything he said, except for the Antarctic dream being Fischer's (it has to be Eames).

CadBane · 07-23-2010, 11:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Nash13

Chloe......Not going to lie, i originally only wanted to see this for a few select scenes, but overall it was a pretty decent movie. the twist was way too predictable, and the end i didn't care for, but i liked it.

I hated Chloe. It's just absurd to believe Amanda Seyfried would be attracted to Julianne Moore.

Murphy3 · 07-24-2010, 10:23 AM

it's not hard to believe at all....

fluid.forty.one · 07-24-2010, 11:21 AM

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Originally Posted by CadBane

http://nymag.com/daily/entertainment....html#comments

This interview with Inception actor Dileep Rao (Yusuf) is very insightful. I concur with everything he said, except for the Antarctic dream being Fischer's (it has to be Eames).

I don't buy the fact that Leo aged as much as the asian dude. The asian entered limbo after Leo, so it doesn't make sense for the asian to be older unless Leo re-entered limbo...

The other thing that suggests he re-enters limbo is that Leo washes up on shore again outside the asians place. Why would he wash up on shore if was in limbo already?

Nash13 · 07-24-2010, 02:00 PM

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I hated Chloe. It's just absurd to believe Amanda Seyfried would be attracted to Julianne Moore.

Who doesn't like a red-haired milf?

CadBane · 07-24-2010, 03:48 PM

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Who doesn't like a red-haired milf?

That freckle face is a huge turn off. Jokes aside, I like Amanda a lot, she's a very talented actress, but she needs to start choosing her roles better.

Flacolaco · 07-26-2010, 10:07 PM

Wow.

The awesomeness of Inception just ripped my face off. Great movie.

fluid.forty.one · 07-26-2010, 10:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Flacolaco

Wow.

The awesomeness of Inception just ripped my face off. Great movie.

I had a few problems with details. I'm hoping that people on here would be able to help me out but no one has answered my questions so far.

1. How were Cobb and the girl able to enter limbo simply by hooking up to the dream machine - is it because they connected to Fisher, who was already in there? I can't remember.

2. Why were Cobb and the girl so instantly able to remember they were in limbo. The reason limbo is so scary to them (hence them all freaking out when Cobb said they were screwed in limbo if they died in the other dreams) is that you don't realize you're in limbo. Is it because he had been there before?

3. The whole scene of what happened on the balcony. I get having to kick Fisher off to coincide with defibrillator, seeing as he died on stage 3 instead of stage 1 (where later on Saito was able to just shoot himself to get back, since he had died on stage 1)... and I get the girl jumping off to kill herself. Wtf happened to Cobb? All you see is him getting stabbed and then waking up on the beach again. He obviously didn't die from the stab or the world crashing around him, or else he would have woken up just like the girl. Why did he re-enter limbo (And I'm positive he re-entered because of ending up on the beach again AND because Saito died WHILE Cobb/girl were already in limbo so it doesn't make sense for Saito to be way older. Cobb must have re-entered limbo, giving that split second enough for Saito to age 60 years).

Side SPOILER:
He's definitely not in a dream at the end because a. he's not wearing a wedding ring which coincides with all the other "real world scenes" in the movie. b. they cast a 2nd set of actors for the kids if you look at the credits. c. we already know that killing yourself gets you out of limbo, so there's no reason to believe that isn't the case again.

ShaggyDirk · 07-26-2010, 10:37 PM

fluid STOP!!!!! My head hurts more from your questions!!

ShaggyDirk · 07-26-2010, 10:41 PM

Honestly, I think the questionable details in this movie are intentional.. It's like a big amBIGous butterball turkey right out of the oven ... MMMMm... And that's no cop out.. There are probably more details about the movie that will require 2 or 3 viewings to straighten out.. That's just genius writing..

Flacolaco · 07-26-2010, 10:46 PM

People keep saying that Saito died in the first level....I guess I need to see it again because I don't know how that can be true. He died toward the end of the third level, I thought, after he threw the grenade down the access vent. This happened early enough (considering the exponential difference in the perception of passed time from the third level to limbo) that I could totally buy the age difference between Saito and Cobb. They just never explained how Cobb would go about crossing paths with Saito in limbo...I don't get that. LImbo isn't this universally available thing..But maybe they were hooked up together on enough machines (or...dreamed machines?) on enough levels to achieve that?

I don't know. I'm just kind of rolling with it.

My wife and I both agreed that we perceived the ending to be "real life." Even though the age of the children was bothersome...they never really said how much time had supposedly passed since crazy-bitch wife had died, did they? Either way, I think they summed it up best in the film...the positive emotion...my wanting to believe it was a happy ending...the "catharsis" is more powerful than the skepticism....thus I think he got the happy ending he wanted, and that it was in the "real world."

Flacolaco · 07-26-2010, 10:50 PM

And btw...I never noticed the wedding rings a single time....damn it...

Flacolaco · 07-26-2010, 10:52 PM

Also...I spent half of the film deliberating on the hotness of Ellen Paige. Clearly she's attractive...but there's still something kind of juvenile about her, and she's an almost disturbingly tiny human, as far as humans go. Still...very pretty.

Underdog · 07-26-2010, 11:32 PM

***The Inception Spoiler***

Mal was right.

No sequel.

Rosebud...

fluid.forty.one · 07-26-2010, 11:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Flacolaco

Also...I spent half of the film deliberating on the hotness of Ellen Paige. Clearly she's attractive...but there's still something kind of juvenile about her, and she's an almost disturbingly tiny human, as far as humans go. Still...very pretty.

ya she's cute.. but she definitely doesn't look her age (I think she's like 23). She looks more like 19ish.

Btw... I just realized that some idiot is definitely going to kill themselves over this movie and some ridiculous lawsuit will ensue.

Underdog · 07-27-2010, 12:11 AM

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Btw... I just realized that some idiot is definitely going to kill themselves over this movie and some ridiculous lawsuit will ensue.

If The Matrix could inspire Columbine, then who knows what kind of madness Inception can pull out of the fractured Western psyche...

DevinHarriswillstart · 07-28-2010, 04:15 PM

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I think the whole point of the ending is that you don't know if it is real or not. All that matters is that he is with his kids again.

I like that.

ShaggyDirk · 07-28-2010, 10:44 PM

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I think the whole point of the ending is that you don't know if it is real or not. All that matters is that he is with his kids again.

I like that.

******INCEPTION SPOILER****

I don't think the point is not to know whether it is real or not... The point is it doesn't matter if it's real or not...make sense?

MavsX · 07-29-2010, 10:35 AM

i saw it this past weekend. I was blown away, but i still need to see it again.

I thought if you die in another persons dream you get stuck in limbo, and you are stuck there forever. Where as if you died in your own dream, you just get sent back to reality.

can anyone elaborate on this for me?

Underdog · 07-29-2010, 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by MavsX

i saw it this past weekend. I was blown away, but i still need to see it again.

I thought if you die in another persons dream you get stuck in limbo, and you are stuck there forever. Where as if you died in your own dream, you just get sent back to reality.

can anyone elaborate on this for me?

***SPOILER***

It doesn't matter whose dream you die in - the sedative was too strong to wake up early, so dying would send you into limbo instead...

MavsX · 07-29-2010, 02:05 PM

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***SPOILER***

It doesn't matter whose dream you die in - the sedative was too strong to wake up early, so dying would send you into limbo instead...

thanks UD. Are you only in limbo until your body in real life wakes up? Or, what else am i missing. I thought you could get stuck in limbo forever. Or is it, because the dreams can last a lot longer, you could be stuck in limbo for like 60 years...when in real life it's only a few days or something?

fluid.forty.one · 07-29-2010, 02:12 PM

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thanks UD. Are you only in limbo until your body in real life wakes up? Or, what else am i missing. I thought you could get stuck in limbo forever. Or is it, because the dreams can last a lot longer, you could be stuck in limbo for like 60 years...when in real life it's only a few days or something?

Technically, you're only in limbo (or any dream) until you wake up in real life. But something like 10 seconds in real life feels like years in limbo. That's why Saito was able to age 80 years in limbo while still being on the flight.

I'm going to see it again today. I'm 80% sure that Saito dies AFTER Cobb has entered limbo, which doesn't make sense why Saito ages faster. If Saito entered first (even a couple minutes) it would make sense. I'll find out for sure.

MavsX · 07-29-2010, 02:51 PM

alright thanks fluid for insight...report back here after you see it again. I'm gonna see it again too.