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hayth.james.g · 07-11-2014, 01:35 PM

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Originally Posted by particleman

This is how I feel about it. If you're judging this off-season by "will Dallas be able to compete for a championship next season?" then okay, you're probably going to be disappointed. But will we be better next year than we were this year? Yeah, I feel pretty confident we will. Will we still have a tremendous amount of flexibility to improve again next off-season? Yes, almost certainly. That's enough for me.

I think that the blueprint for Mav basketball has been set. Sure we would love to land a superstar free agent that can be our easy ticket to a 1-3 seed with marketing galore. But aside from landing Melo or James, there is nothing wrong with being a patient in the off season. We land smart contracts that further enable us to pursue a title year in and year out. We most likely are not destined to win 60+ games.. but that didn't necessarily work out for us last time did it. I'll take 53-57 with a team molded for playoff basketball.

dude1394 · 07-11-2014, 01:37 PM

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Originally Posted by G-Man

If I'm Houston, do I really want to tie up 15 million at SF, when I also need a PG and a bench? I could spend 4 or 5 on Marion, because I really don't need much offensive help from the 4 spot. Then I could build out a better team. Its what Miami should have done to maximize its's big 3. As a result, they were 1 jump shot away from losing in the finals 3 of 4 times.

Competitively, we might be better off if they got Parsons and ended up in a bind. Harden Bosh and Howard with some quality parts would be more formidable that that group, Parsons and a bunch of scrubs.

Yes. You don't let talent walk for nothing...EVER if you can help it. Obviously there is at least one team that thinks he is worth that contract, there are bound to be others.

dude1394 · 07-11-2014, 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by martimccall

Agree with you!! Just heard Luol Deng signing in Phoenix AZ. since we have that offer out to Parsons can't do anything till Sunday. What is the Mavericks plan B???

Their plan is to be opportunistic! Solid, solid strategy.

Melonhead · 07-11-2014, 01:39 PM

Its Dirk's final years, he signed a hometown discount to finish out his career. He deserves players around him to make a run. Which is why Im hung up on getting a big FA. The patchwork MBT does after a star spurns them is more or less acceptable for a team that isnt in win now mode. But the Mavs are in win now mode.

Once Dirk retires, it will not be such a big deal in my eyes, because I wont be expecting to compete for the West year in and year out.

dude1394 · 07-11-2014, 01:39 PM

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Originally Posted by MavzMan

OH. HELL. NO!

I would actually bet a Wendy's lunch that Dirk retires if Cuban signed Wade.

I sure as **** would.

MavzMan · 07-11-2014, 01:40 PM

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Originally Posted by hayth.james.g

Made playoffs 12 out of 13 years. There is absolutely zero reason for people to be skeptical. Does everything work out perfect everytime? No... but I would say people should be more thankful for how great we as Mavs fans have had it since Cuban took over. STFU and enjoy actually mattering (see rockets last 15 years).

Preach it, Brother G !

j0Shi · 07-11-2014, 01:40 PM

@woj: Houston is finalizing a deal to send Jeremy Lin to the Lakers, league source tells Yahoo Sports.

Mav Addict · 07-11-2014, 01:44 PM

Rox still gotta move alot of parts by Sunday, and Bledsoe, Thomas, Ariza, Rondo, and Stephenson are all on Mavs radar now. Donnie says MBT have a Plan B, C, and D in place.

hayth.james.g · 07-11-2014, 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Melonhead

Its Dirk's final years, he signed a hometown discount to finish out his career. He deserves players around him to make a run. Which is why Im hung up on getting a big FA. The patchwork MBT does after a star spurns them is more or less acceptable for a team that isnt in win now mode. But the Mavs are in win now mode.

Once Dirk retires, it will not be such a big deal in my eyes, because I wont be expecting to compete for the West year in and year out.

Look we are most likely going to have a roster surrounding Dirk in his final 3 years that gives us 50+ wins a season and alllows us to attempt to make a run in the playoffs. We most likely won't steam roll through the regular season like OKC, LAC, or Houston, but I think against any of those teams we will be able to give them a run in the playoffs. Personally, I don't think the Spurs are going to be an issue going forward for us as currently constructed. If they land someone like Gasol then it could be an issue. I think pending how this roster rounds out we will easily be better than Memphis, Portland, Golden State, Phoenix, and Golden State. We fixed our biggest issue already with the Calderon trade for Chandler.

MavzMan · 07-11-2014, 01:45 PM

Bosh supposedly has max offer from Miami now. He's deciding between Miami and Houston. So much going on now, it's like a second first day of free agency!

MavsFTR · 07-11-2014, 01:45 PM

Woj: Houston is finalizing a deal to send Jeremy Lin to the Lakers, league source tells Yahoo Sports.

EricaLubarsky · 07-11-2014, 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Melonhead

The last 3 offseasons. Of course theyve thought about it, but actually executing a plan that works well is where Im pessimistic.

You mean when they missed out on Dwight and got one of the most underrated players in the nba on clearance?

dude1394 · 07-11-2014, 01:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Murphy3

People that don't have faith in the MBT have good reason. I think they pull something together and have an ok to good off season. But, I'm not sure an ok to good off season is good enough. I believe the Mavs will do enough to be competitive..to be a lower tier playoff seed. But, I don't believe that they'll be able to put together a team that competes for the west.

To be perfectly honest I don't think the Mavs have a philosophy about building a team other than "be opportunistic". How can you have a plan if you blow off the draft for example? The only thing they really have going for,them for the last 16 years or so has been the dirkster. Jkiddo and the addition of Caron/Haywood/Stevenson was a good move. But again it was just a move.

Undersized centers, ridiculous draft flyers, undersized guards, guards who can't shoot. I mean really. Donnie/Cuban can make trades for sure, but a philosophy... Maybe since Carlisle is here maybe he can impart some, ever since Donnie/Nellie has been running it, I haven't seen much of a philosophy at all, other than sort of fantasy basketball. And tbh I may have more of a philosophy picking my ff football team than I see with the Mavs.

DevinHarriswillstart · 07-11-2014, 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by dude1394

Their plan is to be opportunistic! Solid, solid strategy.

Really?

martimccall · 07-11-2014, 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by MavsFTR

Woj: Houston is finalizing a deal to send Jeremy Lin to the Lakers, league source tells Yahoo Sports.

Yep correct!! Just heard it & announced Bosh signing for 88 million with Houston.

martimccall · 07-11-2014, 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by dude1394

To be perfectly honest I don't think the Mavs have a philosophy about building a team other than "be opportunistic". How can you have a plan if you blow off the draft for example? The only thing they really have going for,them for the last 16 years or so has been the dirkster. Jkiddo and the addition of Caron/Haywood/Stevenson was a good move. But again it was just a move.

Undersized centers, ridiculous draft flyers, undersized guards, guards who can't shoot. I mean really. Donnie/Cuban can make trades for sure, but a philosophy... Maybe since Carlisle is here maybe he can impart some, ever since Donnie/Nellie has been running it, I haven't seen much of a philosophy at all, other than sort of fantasy basketball. And tbh I may have more of a philosophy picking my ff football team than I see with the Mavs.

I am tired of the Mavericks Cuban/Nelson just putting together a team to compete not contend. They just "poop" on the draft year after year. Can Carlisle even coach young players?? #honestquestion

Mav Addict · 07-11-2014, 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by MavzMan

Bosh supposedly has max offer from Miami now. He's deciding between Miami and Houston. So much going on now, it's like a second first day of free agency!

Miami can offer Bosh 5/$125M, correct? ...and the Houston offer is 4/80M.

It should be hard to turn down $45M for 1 year especially if this is the last max contract he will be get.

hayth.james.g · 07-11-2014, 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by martimccall

I am tired of the Mavericks Cuban/Nelson just putting together a team to compete not contend.

Wait for real? Did you just say that?

DevinHarriswillstart · 07-11-2014, 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by martimccall

Yep correct!! Just heard it & announced Bosh signing for 88 million.

Why don't you put links to your sources?

particleman · 07-11-2014, 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by hayth.james.g

Wait for real? Did you just say that?

Don't feed the troll.

Underdog · 07-11-2014, 01:57 PM

Having a plan & failing = not having a plan?

It's a little too early in the day to be drinking, guys.

Melonhead · 07-11-2014, 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by dude1394

To be perfectly honest I don't think the Mavs have a philosophy about building a team other than "be opportunistic". How can you have a plan if you blow off the draft for example? The only thing they really have going for,them for the last 16 years or so has been the dirkster. Jkiddo and the addition of Caron/Haywood/Stevenson was a good move. But again it was just a move.

Undersized centers, ridiculous draft flyers, undersized guards, guards who can't shoot. I mean really. Donnie/Cuban can make trades for sure, but a philosophy... Maybe since Carlisle is here maybe he can impart some, ever since Donnie/Nellie has been running it, I haven't seen much of a philosophy at all, other than sort of fantasy basketball. And tbh I may have more of a philosophy picking my ff football team than I see with the Mavs.

I heard Cuban a year or so ago talk about business stuff and said he likes to make his moves based on other people's mistakes. He likes to capitalize on situations that he can swoop in on and clean up. When I read that, I knew he takes that same approach to the Mavs. You can go down the list. Never will we see the Mavs snuff out players through the draft. Its nothing against Cuban, I like him as the owner. He makes trades that work most of the time. I wish he had someone near him not named Donnie that could evaluate talent.

Melonhead · 07-11-2014, 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Underdog

Having a plan & failing = not having a plan?

It's a little too early in the day to be drinking, guys.

Im off all week, so i have an excuse for my day drinking.

dude1394 · 07-11-2014, 02:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Underdog

Having a plan & failing = not having a plan?

It's a little too early in the day to be drinking, guys.

Keep your hands off my bourbon.

hayth.james.g · 07-11-2014, 02:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Melonhead

Im off all week, so i have an excuse for my day drinking.

Unemployed does not mean each week is a vacation.

JK

DirkFTW · 07-11-2014, 02:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Underdog

Having a plan & failing = not having a plan?

It's a little too early in the day to be drinking, guys.

Is it?

fluid.forty.one · 07-11-2014, 02:15 PM

Bummer. Would have been a great fit.

derfla76 · 07-11-2014, 02:26 PM

I require parental supervision.

LonghornDub · 07-11-2014, 02:29 PM

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Originally Posted by derfla76

I have no life.

Hi! Bye.

hayth.james.g · 07-11-2014, 02:30 PM

Derfla76 come back to the boards when you actually do something post Y2K.

On the flip side.. I love our mods.

GuerillaBlack · 07-11-2014, 02:31 PM

Good try Mavs.

Knock it off, GB. -- LHD

vmac · 07-11-2014, 02:33 PM

My man! I was waiting for you to post. It's been a LONG 7 months!!!!

DallasSports11 · 07-11-2014, 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Underdog

Having a plan & failing = not having a plan?

Bingo!

Anyway you guys seeing the Mavs being able to add Stephenson and Ariza? I'm no CBA / Salary Cap savant but I'd assume Wright would have to be moved.

Ariza + Stephenson would be a nice plan B

j0Shi · 07-11-2014, 02:50 PM

Ariza and Stephenson? Near impossible now that Hayward and Parsons got 15M.

I would think these + Deng will get 11M+ per and even Pierce could get his wish of 9-10M. Crazy.

EricaLubarsky · 07-11-2014, 02:50 PM

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Originally Posted by DallasSports11

Bingo!

Anyway you guys seeing the Mavs being able to add Stephenson and Ariza? I'm no CBA / Salary Cap savant but I'd assume Wright would have to be moved.

Ariza + Stephenson would be a nice plan B

Steph will probably get around 10/yr
Ariza is looking for 10-12/yr.

Dumping Wright won't be enough to sign both guys to 10mill deals AFAIK.

Melonhead · 07-11-2014, 02:53 PM

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Originally Posted by hayth.james.g

Unemployed does not mean each week is a vacation.

JK

Haha technically employed. School teacher off until August.

hayth.james.g · 07-11-2014, 02:53 PM

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Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

Steph will probably get around 10/yr
Ariza is looking for 10-12/yr.

Dumping Wright won't be enough to sign both guys to 10mill deals AFAIK.

I think SnT would be a solution.. but I seriously doubt this is realistic.

martimccall · 07-11-2014, 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by martimccall

I am tired of the Mavericks Cuban/Nelson just putting together a team to compete not contend. They just "poop" on the draft year after year. Can Carlisle even coach young players?? #honestquestion

Yes I did say that!!

martimccall · 07-11-2014, 03:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Melonhead

I heard Cuban a year or so ago talk about business stuff and said he likes to make his moves based on other people's mistakes. He likes to capitalize on situations that he can swoop in on and clean up. When I read that, I knew he takes that same approach to the Mavs. You can go down the list. Never will we see the Mavs snuff out players through the draft. Its nothing against Cuban, I like him as the owner. He makes trades that work most of the time. I wish he had someone near him not named Donnie that could evaluate talent.

Agree! That is Cubans business mantra. Donnie Nelson is the issue his evaluating talent is not his strong suit!!

Murphy3 · 07-11-2014, 03:06 PM

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Originally Posted by dude1394

To be perfectly honest I don't think the Mavs have a philosophy about building a team other than "be opportunistic". How can you have a plan if you blow off the draft for example? The only thing they really have going for,them for the last 16 years or so has been the dirkster. Jkiddo and the addition of Caron/Haywood/Stevenson was a good move. But again it was just a move.

Undersized centers, ridiculous draft flyers, undersized guards, guards who can't shoot. I mean really. Donnie/Cuban can make trades for sure, but a philosophy... Maybe since Carlisle is here maybe he can impart some, ever since Donnie/Nellie has been running it, I haven't seen much of a philosophy at all, other than sort of fantasy basketball. And tbh I may have more of a philosophy picking my ff football team than I see with the Mavs.

I see some people talk about how the Mavs have made the playoffs so many years in a row.. I get it. Basketball is a much different sport than baseball or football. One transcendent star can often carry a team on his back. So yes, the Mavs did a great job in the late 90's of drafting/trading for Dirk. I completely get that. But yes, this is basketball. Guys like Dirk don't come around that often. And quite frankly, the Mavs are doing a pretty decent job of pissing away his twilight years.