Mavs off-season and draft 2023 thread

[EricaLubarsky]

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The Ringer has the Mavericks taking Houston F Jarace Walker in their first post lottery mock draft at number 10

ESPN has the Mavericks taking UCF F Taylor Hendricks in their first post lottery mock draft at number 10

Either selection would be great at 10🤝

[DevinHarriswillstart]

Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

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The Ringer has the Mavericks taking Houston F Jarace Walker in their first post lottery mock draft at number 10

ESPN has the Mavericks taking UCF F Taylor Hendricks in their first post lottery mock draft at number 10

Either selection would be great at 10🤝

Trading it or trading back of one of those two aren't there. Tankathon is more reliable imo and neither are there at 10.

Not a terrible chance one of them falls, but the FO certainly better have a biiig backup plan.

[mac222b]

I wouldn?t give Hardy or #10 for Turner? straight up. Let alone both. Just draft Lively or Walker at 10 and have a cost controlled core of Hardy, Green and Walker/Lively to go with Luka.

[tap2390]

Lively is two years away from being two years away. I would literally rather have TJD.

I personally hope we keep #10 and acquire a second late first/ early second. This is one of the deepest drafts I've ever seen. It's reminiscent of 2020.

[mac222b]

Originally Posted by tap2390

Lively is two years away from being two years away. I would literally rather have TJD.

I personally hope we keep #10 and acquire a second late first/ early second. This is one of the deepest drafts I've ever seen. It's reminiscent of 2020.

Lively does need a ton of work. I have a feeling he would be extremely foul prone for a couple years. Great upside though. Would have to give him 10-15 a night rookie season and then 20-25 in year two and hope by year 3-3 and a half you have a reliable starter. Like the Nets did with Claxton. I think Claxton averaged 12.5 mins his rookie year.

[Dallas41]

Originally Posted by mac222b

I wouldn?t give Hardy or #10 for Turner? straight up. Let alone both. Just draft Lively or Walker at 10 and have a cost controlled core of Hardy, Green and Walker/Lively to go with Luka.

I think some of you are tripping if you think Luka is sticking around waiting for young guys to develope

I'm pretty sure he's watching Denver and seeing how they've put the right pieces in place around his buddy jokic

That clock is ticking for Luka and as much as some of you want to wait for rookies or 2nd year guys to develope if this team finishes 7th or 8th seed next year trying to develope guys or miss the playoffs again Luka is most likely going to want out asap

He ain't sticking around waiting for a roster to win down the road

[mac222b]

Originally Posted by Dallas41

I think some of you are tripping if you think Luka is sticking around waiting for young guys to develope

I'm pretty sure he's watching Denver and seeing how they've put the right pieces in place around his buddy jokic

That clock is ticking for Luka and as much as some of you want to wait for rookies or 2nd year guys to develope if this team finishes 7th or 8th seed next year trying to develope guys or miss the playoffs again Luka is most likely going to want out asap

He ain't sticking around waiting for a roster to win down the road

In fairness, you?re probably right. I personally wouldn?t trade 10 or Hardy for Turner. I would make it my mission to build something sustainable. But I guess we are past that, especially after the Kyrie trade.

[Dallas41]

Originally Posted by mac222b

In fairness, you?re probably right. I personally wouldn?t trade 10 or Hardy for Turner. I would make it my mission to build something sustainable. But I guess we are past that, especially after the Kyrie trade.

I'm not that sold on Hardy tbh

Someone else mentioned earlier his situation sort of reminds me of Roddy B after his rookie year when the mavs made him untouchable overrating his talent

If you could finally land a legit starting center like Turner to add to Luka and kyrie you have to do because this team is in win now mode with those two guys on the roster.

I was listening to 105.3 the fan today and Tim Cato discussed this same situation. That 10th Pick is more likely to land a guy who needs further development to help this team down the road and unfortunately you don't have that time if you want to appease Luka

You got to try and go for it now.....

Siakam, OG Anouby, Turner or Grant are proven players who help you win now

[mac222b]

Originally Posted by Dallas41

I'm not that sold on Hardy tbh

Someone else mentioned earlier his situation sort of reminds me of Roddy B after his rookie year when the mavs made him untouchable overrating his talent

If you could finally land a legit starting center like Turner to add to Luka and kyrie you have to do because this team is in win now mode with those two guys on the roster.

I was listening to 105.3 the fan today and Tim Cato discussed this same situation. That 10th Pick is more likely to land a guy who needs further development to help this team down the road and unfortunately you don't have that time if you want to appease Luka

You got to try and go for it now.....

Siakam, OG Anouby, Turner or Grant are proven players who help you win now

Not sure we have the assets for Siakam or OG. In fact I?m almost 100% certain we don?t. Unless Toronto loves Hardy (which if they do might be a clue not to trade him) Hardy is on a GREAT contract. His ceiling is all-star. I?m not saying he?ll get there, but I was a skeptic and the guy totally won me over. He has ?it.? He shot 40% from 3. Looks like he belongs. And is a gym rat. I would have to be blown away to trade him on the contract we have him on. Isn?t it possible he comes back better and stronger and scores 15ppg off the bench for us next season on efficient shooting and with better defense? Id for sure want to find if I was MBT before dealing him this summer.

[Melonhead]

Originally Posted by Dallas41

I think some of you are tripping if you think Luka is sticking around waiting for young guys to develope

I'm pretty sure he's watching Denver and seeing how they've put the right pieces in place around his buddy jokic

That clock is ticking for Luka and as much as some of you want to wait for rookies or 2nd year guys to develope if this team finishes 7th or 8th seed next year trying to develope guys or miss the playoffs again Luka is most likely going to want out asap

He ain't sticking around waiting for a roster to win down the road

So what, its not like hes in his twilight years like Dame. Mavs were in win now mode last year and look at them now. Theyll be in win now mode forever with Luka, might as well draft some assets. Guys can be immediate contributors as rookies btw.

[tap2390]

There are a ton of players in the 15-30 range that make sense for the Mavs: Jordan Walsh, Trayce Jackson-Davis, Rayan Rupert, Bilal Coulibaly, Leonard Miller, City Sissoko, Dereck Lively, Adem Bona, James Nnaji, Marcus Sasser.

10 is a tough draft position for the Mavericks. I think other people will recognize this, and will low-ball the Mavs for the pick pre-draft. If the Mavs do trade the pick, it will be during the draft. I could especially see the Mavs picking up Cason Wallace for a PG-needy team.

[saclare]

Originally Posted by tap2390

There are a ton of players in the 15-30 range that make sense for the Mavs: Jordan Walsh, Trayce Jackson-Davis, Rayan Rupert, Bilal Coulibaly, Leonard Miller, City Sissoko, Dereck Lively, Adem Bona, James Nnaji, Marcus Sasser.

10 is a tough draft position for the Mavericks. I think other people will recognize this, and will low-ball the Mavs for the pick pre-draft. If the Mavs do trade the pick, it will be during the draft. I could especially see the Mavs picking up Cason Wallace for a PG-needy team.

Jordan Walsh is DFS for those who want a defense minded player with offensive upside. He'll come in younger than DFS with a better offensive game that still needs work, but advanced as a cutter and screener thanks to Muss' pro style.

If you could trade back for a couple of firsts, him and say Lively would be smart targets and begin to form a solid, balanced core.

I still understand the trade and improve with star/vets now, too. It's going to get interesting.

[DevinHarriswillstart]

The Hardy situation is an interesting one. It's not dissimilar from Roddy b in which it was rumored we turned down the 10th pick from Indiana which turned out to be Paul George.

You take big a risk not keeping and developing and also trading him.

[saclare]

Hardy is miles away a better overall player than Roddy. The latter was a lightning Rod but smaller and had defensive issues. Sure, Hardy def struggled earlier on but I think a lot of his playing time late was because he seemed to understand team defense, albeit on a shitty team defense lol

That's not to say he isn't untouchable, either. He's one of our few player assets we would/should trade to upgrade. It would hurt, but if that landed the finishing piece around Luka and Kyrie while not killing depth, you go for it.

I just don't think we need to include him in a Turner trade. I could maybe see Mavs convincing them that Green + 10th + filler is enough. If they want THJ, which I could totally see with Carlisle, then they throw in Hield. It was notable how much THJ gelled with Kyrie and we know his relationship with Luka. Both would understand if it netted a better roster.

[sig]

The Luka white noise about he won't accept this or that is just noise. Euros seem to stay loyal. Mavs are not far off if they trade some of their vets for vets that fill needs.

Yeh, the amount of depth in this draft is off the charts. Dillon Mitchell is an athletic freak whose draft stock went down because he lost playing time to seasoned upperclassmen on a very good Texas team. He could be as good as any forward in the draft. I'm for adding as many draft picks as possible to add to Luka, KI, Hardy, Green. Also, a lot of polished players being pushed to late first along with players like Mitchell. I don't know how Mavs do that with their assets.

TJD and JHS getting after it. I'd gladly take JHS at 10 and make a deal to obtain a pick to get TJD. Sounds like he is doing well and list of teams interviewing TJD is pretty long at the combine.

https://twitter.com/ClifMarshall/sta...293345797?s=20

[tap2390]

TJD at #10 would not surprise me one bit. His measurements prove he?s a 5 in the modern NBA.

[sig]

Originally Posted by tap2390

TJD at #10 would not surprise me one bit. His measurements prove he?s a 5 in the modern NBA.

I've seen pretty much every minute he played in college. The improvement in his game from 3rd to 4th year was incredible. Who knew he could handle the ball and pass like he did. Not gonna say he will be Bam Adebayo good but he seems to have a similar style.

[Dallas41]

[QUOTE=sig;1521967]The Luka white noise about he won't accept this or that is just noise. Euros seem to stay loyal. Mavs are not far off if they trade some of their vets for vets that fill needs.

This is the opinion of Iztok Franko

But here is the problem for the ?keep the pick? crowd. Two problems, actually.

First, the Mavericks are not in position to take more risks with a roster this thin, and things didn?t work out the last time the Mavericks took their chances in this draft range?unless you?re still glad they selected Dennis Smith Jr. with the ninth overall pick in 2017 instead of future All-Stars Donovan Mitchell and Bam Adebayo.

And as short as they are on talent, they?re even shorter on time. The Mavericks are all-in on the Doncic timeline; trading for Kyrie Irving removed any trace of doubt about that. They likely have no more than a year to prove to their superstar that they?re capable of constructing a team capable of returning to the conference finals. After that, they enter the back-end of Doncic?s contract, where things could get dicey.

[Melonhead]

[QUOTE=Dallas41;1521979]

Originally Posted by sig

The Luka white noise about he won't accept this or that is just noise. Euros seem to stay loyal. Mavs are not far off if they trade some of their vets for vets that fill needs.

This is the opinion of Iztok Franko

But here is the problem for the ?keep the pick? crowd. Two problems, actually.

First, the Mavericks are not in position to take more risks with a roster this thin, and things didn?t work out the last time the Mavericks took their chances in this draft range?unless you?re still glad they selected Dennis Smith Jr. with the ninth overall pick in 2017 instead of future All-Stars Donovan Mitchell and Bam Adebayo.

And as short as they are on talent, they?re even shorter on time. The Mavericks are all-in on the Doncic timeline; trading for Kyrie Irving removed any trace of doubt about that. They likely have no more than a year to prove to their superstar that they?re capable of constructing a team capable of returning to the conference finals. After that, they enter the back-end of Doncic?s contract, where things could get dicey.

Its always "this year or bust" with this team lol. They were doing this last year too. And this same song and dance will guarantee the mavs will never build a contending team except for a random once in a decade run. Because you cant empty the barrel every summer especially if youre a cheap owner like Cuban. Not to mention the new cba will have an impact on future moves as well.

Every single team making runs yearly are not skipping steps to make a run. Denver, Miami, Boston, Sacramento, Memphis, GS, Milwaukee all built their teams over years of drafts and trades and collecting assets for trades. Mavs keep trying to jump over steps and dont have assets because theyre short on time??

[DevinHarriswillstart]

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[DevinHarriswillstart]

Originally Posted by Melonhead

Its always "this year or bust" with this team lol. They were doing this last year too. And this same song and dance will guarantee the mavs will never build a contending team except for a random once in a decade run. Because you cant empty the barrel every summer especially if youre a cheap owner like Cuban. Not to mention the new cba will have an impact on future moves as well.

Every single team making runs yearly are not skipping steps to make a run. Denver, Miami, Boston, Sacramento, Memphis, GS, Milwaukee all built their teams over years of drafts and trades and collecting assets for trades. Mavs keep trying to jump over steps and dont have assets because theyre short on time??

Bingo. The problem is what is the alternative? If you can fill out the team trading the 10th pick, then you do it. But I can't see that happening.

And let's say Luka does eventually ask out. Do you want a team full of young prospects or a team full of over the hill vets who have no value?

Dallas41 acts like we are full of young guys and no vets. We literally have two promising young players in Hardy and Green. Two.

[EricaLubarsky]

TJD wouldn't be a bad choice.

6'9" works against most teams and he can play 4/5. Only really Jokic destroys you with size. Embiid for all his hype, doesn't really abuse guys with height and weight and there are no Shaqs.

The bad news? He's 23. He's a few months younger than Luka and he's yet to play a year in the league. He also can't spread the floor to abuse slow bigs like Kleber did to Gobert.

The good news? He's a worker and a learner. Every year he's gotten better. Sometimes guys are drafted at 18 for their potential and they stay the same player. TJD is someone like Brunson that has that pro energy.

[SMC0007]

As we brainstorm what to do with the $10 pick, trade it, keep it, etc. As Cuban is arguing with random people about how Elon isn't fair with Twitter. As several good proven coaches have hit the market. As we don't even talk about this because, as we all know Cuban will not make that kind of move and replace the coach.

[DevinHarriswillstart]

Originally Posted by SMC0007

As we brainstorm what to do with the $10 pick, trade it, keep it, etc. As Cuban is arguing with random people about how Elon isn't fair with Twitter. As several good proven coaches have hit the market. As we don't even talk about this because, as we all know Cuban will not make that kind of move and replace the coach.

Yep, add Bob Myers to the list of things the Mavs should be interested in.

Cuban doesn't give a shit. Hasn't for a while now.

[saclare]

Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

Yep, add Bob Myers to the list of things the Mavs should be interested in.

Cuban doesn't give a shit. Hasn't for a while now.

And that would be fine if he could just understand that other people are there, that he hired, to do the job for him. Unfortunately, a serial entrepreneur is going to be that way with what he owns.

Best thing would be for Cuban to take a step back and let Nico and the other special assistants that have been hired do their job. If you insist on having a last say, try not to be a know it all and shit on months of hard work and negotiations.

Hard thing to do and unlikely to happen, but if he can see how that applies to smaller companies then he can do the same here. Wishful thinking for sure.

[sig]

Man, trading down from 10 to get a bunch of multiple picks sounds better every day. Check out Prosper from Marquette.

https://www.sbnation.com/nba/2023/5/...rumors-testing

[Scoobay]

Originally Posted by sig

Man, trading down from 10 to get a bunch of multiple picks sounds better every day. Check out Prosper from Marquette.

https://www.sbnation.com/nba/2023/5/...rumors-testing

thanks for sharing that article - yeah sounds appealing to be able to add multiple young players with talent. what's not clear is how much time the mavs will be willing to give them to develop. I'd love to have a double dip on athletic big men - give me Lively and TJD or Prosper.

[R28J]

Originally Posted by sig

Man, trading down from 10 to get a bunch of multiple picks sounds better every day. Check out Prosper from Marquette.

https://www.sbnation.com/nba/2023/5/...rumors-testing

Thanks for posting this article.

[saclare]

Would love to see how we could add Bruce Brown to the fold. He's likely to opt out of the second year PO for his current deal, so likely prices us out. And then if Nuggets win it all, hard to see them pulling a Cuban and letting him go somewhere else after he's been pretty crucial to their defensive success.

[Melonhead]

Originally Posted by saclare

Would love to see how we could add Bruce Brown to the fold. He's likely to opt out of the second year PO for his current deal, so likely prices us out.

prices us out

and thats the thing with needing to draft cost effective players. Mavs cant afford anyone and Cuban will not overpay for rotation guys. So the roster is ALWAYS thin past Luka and co star. Cuban always wants some locals discount on market players.

[SMC0007]

We also have an issue where the coach is a fvcking wildcard. Draft a guy at #10 and he rides the pine because DP and Bullock etc. No one wants too see that, but no one had faith it won't happen. I guess that goes in the trade it for proven talent bin.

There are a few guys I'd keep the pick for but the only thing I'm sure of is there WILL be WTF IS KIDD DOING moments.

[EricaLubarsky]

If we dont get Wallace at 10, then I do think we trade down.

10 to Nets for 22/23 would be sweet and grab TJD and Podziemski
10 to Jazz for 16/29
10 for 26/29 and a future FRP

more than anything
1) there aren't a lot of stars, but there are a lot of guys with starter potential down to 25-29
2) We are in cap hell and need to upgrade a lot of positions with no real money in FA.

[SMC0007]

Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

If we dont get Wallace at 10, then I do think we trade down.

10 to Nets for 22/23 would be sweet and grab TJD and Podziemski
10 to Jazz for 16/29
10 for 26/29 and a future FRP

more than anything
1) there aren't a lot of stars, but there are a lot of guys with starter potential down to 25-29
2) We are in cap hell and need to upgrade a lot of positions with no real money in FA.

Cason Wallace?!

[EricaLubarsky]

Originally Posted by SMC0007

Cason Wallace?!

oops Walker

[SMC0007]

Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

oops Walker

Figured that is what you meant

[Melonhead]

Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

If we dont get Wallace at 10, then I do think we trade down.

10 to Nets for 22/23 would be sweet and grab TJD and Podziemski
10 to Jazz for 16/29
10 for 26/29 and a future FRP

more than anything
1) there aren't a lot of stars, but there are a lot of guys with starter potential down to 25-29
2) We are in cap hell and need to upgrade a lot of positions with no real money in FA.

I would be okay with something like that

[mac222b]

If Walker is there at 10 he would be perfect. I really like Wallace too. Starting to like Lively a lot. The two French forwards look good? Gouilaby and Rupert.

[EricaLubarsky]

Would you do

THJ + 10th pick for Jarrett Allen?

[DevinHarriswillstart]

Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

Would you do

THJ + 10th pick for Jarrett Allen?

Finally something realistic because it's not a no-brainer for either team.

I do that if we can't trade back and guys we like don't fall because if you can get TJD and another player, then I'd rather do that instead.

[SMC0007]

Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

Would you do

THJ + 10th pick for Jarrett Allen?

Hmm, good one. Probably. I'd have to call you back in a few.