Mavs get Parsons!!!

[Melonhead]

Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

Been puzzled about why Houston let Parsons walk into free agency, and the only thing that makes sense is that Chandler asked for/demanded it. Perhaps he told them that he would re-sign, perhaps he wanted out. Perhaps he just wanted to get paid and was upset with how little he got. Each one has interesting and different implications.

Im thinking Morey is so cocky he doesnt think his sh-t stinks and took the situation for granted.

[oilfieldtrash]

Win win either way. If they don't match we get a young star that fills a huge hole for us. If they match they are hamstrung with the fact they have 3 max contracts on the books that didn't get them out of the first round last year without any salary room to improve the team. lol. Either way I'm not overly concerned with losing out on Deng or Ariza at their current market value and will be content to scrap the bottom of the barrel for the bargains like we did last year.

[Songbard]

SIAP, but isn't this the same scenario we had with Gortat, and lost out on?

[Vinsanity]

Just thought of something, if we end up keeping Parsons, and the Rockets get Bosh... Imagine how hard our division will be. You got the best team in the league in the Spurs, the team that took them to 7 games that upgraded a lot with Tyson and Parsons in the Mavs, the Rockets who were already good and now have a big three, then the Grizzlies who won 50 games last year with Gasol missing 1/3 of the year so they'll be better, and even the Pelicans who just got Asik and are getting Holiday back healthy and of course have Davis who'all only get better...

The division gonna be hell next year O_o

[some1nw]

Originally Posted by Vinsanity

Just thought of something, if we end up keeping Parsons, and the Rockets get Bosh... Imagine how hard our division will be. You got the best team in the league in the Spurs, the team that took them to 7 games that upgraded a lot with Tyson and Parsons in the Mavs, the Rockets who were already good and now have a big three, then the Grizzlies who won 50 games last year with Gasol missing 1/3 of the year so they'll be better, and even the Pelicans who just got Asik and are getting Holiday back healthy and of course have Davis who'all only get better...

The division gonna be hell next year O_o

The only way Chris Bosh goes to Houston is if Lebron leaves the Heat. Imo, Lebron will make his decision in the next 3 days, otherwise everything will blow up for Chris Bosh's face. If the Rockets does not match the 3y/45m, and Lebron decides to stay in Miami, thats when the Rockets are screwed.

[Eman]

he DallasMavericks have agreed to a three-year offer sheet for Chandler Parsons, sources tell DB.com, which they intend to offer and get signed at 11:01 p.m. Thursday. Yahoo reports that the deal will be worth $46 million (max three-year salary for Parsons), and the clock will be begin on the three-day issue (the time Houston gets to decide whether to match-and-retain), ending at 5 p.m. Sunday.

With this move, has Dallas pinched a favorite Rocket away from Houston?

To get right to the point of the pinch: Once this contract is in Parsons' hand, Houston loses the option to keep his matching rights OR loses the room it needs to max Chris Bosh.

Here are the numbers showing what the Houston cap would look like if they traded away everyone except Howard and Harden, and wanted to retain matching Bird rights to sign Parsons after they added Bosh. The problem for Houston in that scenario is that the max money they are promising to Bosh will take cap room of around 20.5M, and they be left short. ----sorrry numbers wouldn't paste





There had been one other option open to the Rockets, as an angle to have enough money to pay a max deal to Bosh while still having the ability to sign Parsons. That would have entailed Houston withdrawing their qualifying offer but keeping the less-costly Bird rights hold, signing Bosh first, and then signing Parsons using Bird rights. There would not be “matching rights” control in this scenario, but it could work cap-wise, with Parsons’ cooperation. Here are those numbers: Sorry, numbers wouldn't paste



However, by getting Parson’s commitment to an offer sheet, the Mavs have effectively slammed shut that “have-our-cake-and-eat-it-too” door that the Rockets would prefer. Once that offer sheet is signed, if Houston drops the matching-rights control, Parsons will be a Mav.

Some other moving parts here:

*NBA sources tell DB.com that the Mavs have effectively moved away from their one-percent pipedream of LeBron James. Their feeling is that he's narrowed his choices to the Cavs and Heat and that Dallas has "run out the ground ball here.''

*This fits with a mid-afternoon quote from a Mavs source to DB.com, saying, "We're done waiting.'' Next thing you know, there's a commitment to do an offer sheet.

*We are hearing from the NBA grapevine, but have yet to confirm, that it may have a couple features that might make Houston hesitate. One is a trade kicker, which would make it more costly for Houston to keep Parsons now and then trade him later. A second is that it’s a three-year deal with a player option on its final year to make it more attractive to the 6-9 forward Parsons, who averaged 16.6 points and 5.5 rebounds for the Rockets this season playing on his cheap rookie deal. A third is that the size of Parsons’ first-year salary, along with Bosh’s, would virtually guarantee that Houston would end up as an over-the-apron taxpayer this season.

*Yahoo reports that Houston attempted to negotiate a pre-emptive wink-wink agreement with Parsons today. The fact he will sign an offer sheet with Dallas suggests that the Rockets “trust us” overture was rejected.

*Will the Rockets match the offer? Sources tell us Houston is flirting with Luol Deng and Trevor Ariza -- and that the Mavs are also in touch with their backup plans.

*At one time it was thought that Houston allowed Parsons to go "free'' (in the form of restricted free agency) as part of a master plan to simply bring him back into the fold alongside Dwight, Harden and another star (say, Chris Bosh).

Now? The Rockets' problem might be the Mavs' answer at small forward: With Bosh getting a max offer from the Rockets (though they could back off from it), the pieces don't fit mathematically in Houston.
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Could the Rockets try to persuade Bosh to sign for less than the max, allowing them extra room to keep Parsons and perhaps others as well? Sure. But it’s more likely that Houston will be forced to choose. ... and the Rockets did already commit that four-year, max deal to Bosh. (By the way, Bosh's max isn't the reported $96 mil for four years. It starts at about $20.5 mil and would therefore total about $87,535,000.)

[alby]

All this talk about CP vs. LD or TA...

I'm a fan of CP but the argument is NOT about them 1v1. I would assume Deng or Ariza would garner a contract that is significantly less than Parson's. The argument should be Parsons vs. Deng + solid veteran (most likely, a big man).

With that being said, after sleeping on this I'm pretty happy with the offer for Parsons. It's a win win whether Houston matches or not (I still firmly believe they will bc if they are going all in on Bosh they are going all in in the next 3+ years to win a title).

[j0Shi]

It'll all come down whether or not the Rockets want to pay tax.

Granted LeBron stays, they'll match. If the King decides to head home, I would assume a minor paycut for Bosh isn't an obstacle although Houston did lure him with a true max deal. And Houston seems to be able to easily move the required pieces.

So I think if they want to, they'll be able to get Bosh and keep Parsons.

[alby]

I'm assuming if we sign Parsons, and considering our expirings, we still have a shot at another max player next summer?

[ocelot_ark]

Originally Posted by alby

I'm assuming if we sign Parsons, and considering our expirings, we still have a shot at another max player next summer?

I'd love to hear this answered, myself.

[Murphy3]

So, what percentage chance do you guys think there is of Parsons playing in a Mavs uniform next year?

[j0Shi]

Originally Posted by alby

I'm assuming if we sign Parsons, and considering our expirings, we still have a shot at another max player next summer?

Yes, Tyson + Wright come off the books. With cap raise we should have well over 20M.

[alby]

Originally Posted by j0Shi

Yes, Tyson + Wright come off the books. With cap raise we should have well over 20M.

Thanks for the confirmation.

[alby]

Originally Posted by Murphy3

So, what percentage chance do you guys think there is of Parsons playing in a Mavs uniform next year?

I'd put it at 50/50 right now.

[jthig32]

Originally Posted by j0Shi

Yes, Tyson + Wright come off the books. With cap raise we should have well over 20M.

Monta comes off as well, if you assume he declines his player option.

[Popeye]

I keep hearing Houston is talking to Deng & Ariza and the assumption is they're backup plans for Parsons, but I think they're the backup plan for Bosh. If Bosh doesn't commit within 3 days they'll probably sign Deng and then match on Parsons. Either way, I think there's about a 90% chance they match the Parsons offer, and Cuban probably knows it. Morey will have some awkward moments with their owner explaining why paying Parsons $15mm instead of $900k this year was a smart choice.

After Parsons is matched, I'm hoping they split the remaining cap space between Isaiah Thomas ($8 million) and Paul Pierce ($7million). I don't think the Mavs care to pay Deng or Ariza over $12 million a year so I don't think they care about missing out on them.

[DevinHarriswillstart]

Originally Posted by Murphy3

So, what percentage chance do you guys think there is of Parsons playing in a Mavs uniform next year?

I personally don't think the FO would have extended an offer if they were sure that Houston would match.

[j0Shi]

Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

I personally don't think the FO would have extended an offer if they were sure that Houston would match.

That's actually an interesting point. We could have pitched Ariza or Deng a lucrative deal as well, but went with Parsons.

On the other hand: Everyone's waiting for LeDecision, at this point Parsons was the only one to get. I still think they have to like their chances.

[DGM]

Originally Posted by Popeye

I keep hearing Houston is talking to Deng & Ariza and the assumption is they're backup plans for Parsons, but I think they're the backup plan for Bosh. If Bosh doesn't commit within 3 days they'll probably sign Deng and then match on Parsons. Either way, I think there's about a 90% chance they match the Parsons offer, and Cuban probably knows it. Morey will have some awkward moments with their owner explaining why paying Parsons $15mm instead of $900k this year was a smart choice.

After Parsons is matched, I'm hoping they split the remaining cap space between Isaiah Thomas ($8 million) and Paul Pierce ($7million). I don't think the Mavs care to pay Deng or Ariza over $12 million a year so I don't think they care about missing out on them.

Pierce would be a good fit to replace Trix. He and Dirk can go out together.

[DevinHarriswillstart]

Originally Posted by j0Shi

That's actually an interesting point. We could have pitched Ariza or Deng a lucrative deal as well, but went with Parsons.

On the other hand: Everyone's waiting for LeDecision, at this point Parsons was the only one to get. I still think they have to like their chances.

I just don't think Ariza or Deng have the same potential to improve that Parsons has. When Cuban was on with Ben and Skin just before the start of FA, he more or less hinted at going after Parsons. He said he wasn't afraid to go after a RFA, the Mavs needed to get younger, and if that team matched, it would hurt their cap space. I think the need to get younger part really tipped the scales in favor of Parsons. I think there is a small risk that Deng or especially Ariza could be worse this next season. There is almost no risk of that with Parsons. The Mavs desperately needed shooting in the starting lineup, and he'll fit that bill perfectly.

[LSMF]

I'm not sure if this was posted already but this is a video of Parson's Strengths and Weaknesses: http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/...-Parsons-5050/

PS- His ball fakes and floaters are something serious.

[Five-ofan]

If Houston matches, and I was the Houston owner, I'd want a really good explanation as to why chandler parsons was worth 29 million for one guaranteed year.

[Eman]

According to David Lord, Houston Can't sign Bosh to the max (while keeping Dwight and Harden) without taking the restriction off Parsons. If they do that, Parsons is automatically ours (because he's an unrestricted free agent that signed an offer sheet).

Of course if Houston doesn't sign Bosh, they could pay 12 mill for Deng and resign Parson's, but then they'd have 2 small forwards for 27mill?

[DevinHarriswillstart]

Originally Posted by Five-ofan

If Houston matches, and I was the Houston owner, I'd want a really good explanation as to why chandler parsons was worth 29 million for one guaranteed year.

Especially since they went out in the first round. Houston is NOT currently a contender. That is why I don't think it's a foregone conclusion that Houston matches even if they don't get Bosh.

Now watch them match today.

[Underdog]

With lower-than-expected salary cap, will Rockets and Pelicans still complete Omer Asik trade?

[hayth.james.g]

Originally Posted by LSMF

I'm not sure if this was posted already but this is a video of Parson's Strengths and Weaknesses: http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/...-Parsons-5050/

PS- His ball fakes and floaters are something serious.

His offense is the perfect compliment to Dirk and Monta. He can average 17+ points while never having a play ran for him. I can see him being a solid #2 scorer for years to come in the right offense. Working with Dirk for 3 years will do wonders for his game. Defensively people are being way too critical. It's been noted by several scouts ( including that video) that his weaknesses have nothing to do with athleticism, but rather a lack of focus at times and perhaps willingness to get tough in the paint. Every indicator says Carlisle will have a massive impact on this part of his game.

[MFFL]

Originally Posted by Popeye

After Parsons is matched, I'm hoping they split the remaining cap space between Isaiah Thomas ($8 million) and Paul Pierce ($7million). I don't think the Mavs care to pay Deng or Ariza over $12 million a year so I don't think they care about missing out on them.

I agree.

I would prefer to have Pierce and Marion myself but it is a great fallback option

[alby]

Originally Posted by Eman

According to David Lord, Houston Can't sign Bosh to the max (while keeping Dwight and Harden) without taking the restriction off Parsons. If they do that, Parsons is automatically ours (because he's an unrestricted free agent that signed an offer sheet).

Of course if Houston doesn't sign Bosh, they could pay 12 mill for Deng and resign Parson's, but then they'd have 2 small forwards for 27mill?

lol at Houston if they pay 12m to Deng

[LSMF]

Originally Posted by hayth.james.g

His offense is the perfect compliment to Dirk and Monte. He can average 17+ points while never having a play ran for him. I can see him being a solid #2 scorer for years to come in the right offense. Working with Dirk for 3 years will do wonders for his game. Defensively people are being way too critical. It's been noted by several scouts ( including that video) that his weaknesses have nothing to do with athleticism, but rather a lack of focus at times and perhaps willingness to get tough in the paint. Every indicator says Carlisle will have a massive impact on this part of his game.

Yeah, I think he would be perfect on this team. Apart from his scoring, I just love that he's a good passer. I can already imagine him finding Ellis on the move, or lobbing it to TC. The "Chandler connection" (Chandler Parsons to Tyson Chandler) would be a thing of beauty. But I honestly don't see how Houston just lets this guy go to a division rival for nothing. I'd be shocked if Morey doesn't match.

[Murphy3]

Originally Posted by MFFL

I agree.

I would prefer to have Pierce and Marion myself but it is a great fallback option

Good to see you back...

[DirkFTW]

Originally Posted by Underdog

With lower-than-expected salary cap, will Rockets and Pelicans still complete Omer Asik trade?

[Melonhead]

Originally Posted by LSMF

I'm not sure if this was posted already but this is a video of Parson's Strengths and Weaknesses: http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/...-Parsons-5050/

PS- His ball fakes and floaters are something serious.

I'll be honest I don't like the way he shoots the ball. Too much extra movement in his body. I still think he fits in well with Monta and dirk though

[sefant77]

I think Morey matches, he doesnt let him walk to Dallas, Morey is way too douchy-proud.

Worst case they fill thr rest of the roster with minimum guys for the next three years. But the trade kicker was brilliant, that basically denies Morey to match Parsons just to keep him as trade asset to dump him in december. rofl.

Hinkie at the Sixers is a Morey buddy, so dumping Lin wont be a problem. But the Sixers could ask now A LOT more. Lets see, if at least the NOP doesnt end up in Philly, then Hinkie is a joke.

[Melonhead]

Originally Posted by sefant77

I think Morey matches, he doesnt let him walk to Dallas, Morey is way too douchy-proud.

I see this as the ultimate outcome. He wont let Cuban get away with it because hes a douche owner. Trying to temper expectations

[Underdog]

Originally Posted by sefant77

Worst case they fill thr rest of the roster with minimum guys for the next three years. But the trade kicker was brilliant, that basically denies Morey to match Parsons just to keep him as trade asset to dump him in december. rofl..

See, that's why I think Houston doesn't match - I just don't see them wanting to pay luxury tax on a squad that can only add minimum contracts to improve after getting bounced in the 1st round. Seems like having the flexibility to trade Parsons would be a major aspect of re-signing him, especially if they wanted to take a stab at next year's FA crop before the trade deadline... That kicker could end up making all the difference.

[LSMF]

I just went over to Clutchfans and those folks are having a fit. There is a meltdown going on because Parsons took pictures with Cubes. Apparently he has also changed the colors of his Twitter background to White and Blue (Mavs Colors). Rocket fans hate for Mavs fans is like that of a younger brother who despises his older brother. No matter how much the younger brother tries he feels that his older bro is always a step ahead.

PS- I think they need to stop their whining because Morey will most likely match.

[LonghornDub]

Sounds like the Rockets fully plan to match Parsons if they get Bosh (presumably for a bit under Bosh's max), and that the only way they won't match is if they don't get Bosh.

[alby]

^ yup. If they are going all in on Bosh, they are going all in on trying to bring a championship to Houston (aka match Parson's offer).

I hate to play devils advocate, but how is Houston the little brother? They have more rings than us

[Murphy3]

Let's hope Bosh stays in Miami I suppose

[grndmstr_c]

Originally Posted by LonghornDub

Sounds like the Rockets fully plan to match Parsons if they get Bosh (presumably for a bit under Bosh's max), and that the only way they won't match is if they don't get Bosh.

Which makes me wonder, does that factor into LeBron's decision? I mean, really, you add Bosh to that Houston starting 5 and that team, not LeBron and the Cavs, is your title favorite for the next two years.