Norm Hitzges' view on the proposed NVE for Ward-Thomas trade - Page 2 - Dallas-Mavs.com Forums

Nellie · 06-27-2002, 03:17 PM

I guess it comes down to this:

A) Kandi signs some how and we have the option of keeping NVE

B) Thomas and Ward are traded here for NVE and with that we lose our trade bait

Why would you jump to B without investigating A at all? No matter how unlikely it is, I would be disappointed if the Mavs pulled the trigger on this deal without making a run at A. Some have talked like they were disappointed that this deal didn't go down last night. I don't get what the hurry is. I don't think it is a bad deal at all but I would rather know for sure that we caouldn't have Kandi first.

kg_veteran · 06-27-2002, 03:18 PM

Or, it could come down to this:

C) Kandi signs, and then we deal Van Exel in another package later which brings us a quality backup PG AND another solid big guy.

It is possible, after all...

Nellie · 06-27-2002, 03:23 PM

<< Or, it could come down to this:

C) Kandi signs, and then we deal Van Exel in another package later which brings us a quality backup PG AND another solid big guy.

It is possible, after all... >>

I don't think anybody here could have predicted that we would trade Juwan Howard for NVE and LaFrentz last year so absolutely anything is possible. More so with this team than most.

Dooby · 06-27-2002, 03:34 PM

Cuban has proved you can trade for and trade away "untradeable" players. That is for sure. I still think NVE's value is highest now.

Dooby · 06-27-2002, 03:36 PM

<< Or, it could come down to this:

C) Kandi signs, and then we deal Van Exel in another package later which brings us a quality backup PG AND another solid big guy.

It is possible, after all... >>

Kandi signing outright is just impossible b/c we can't offer more than the exception, which the Clippers would surely match. So we'd have to sign and trade for Kandi. There is no other way.

Nellie · 06-27-2002, 03:43 PM

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<< Or, it could come down to this:

C) Kandi signs, and then we deal Van Exel in another package later which brings us a quality backup PG AND another solid big guy.

It is possible, after all... >>

Kandi signing outright is just impossible b/c we can't offer more than the exception, which the Clippers would surely match. So we'd have to sign and trade for Kandi. There is no other way. >>

I'm just thinking out loud here:

Is it possible to sign Kandi for a 1 year deal with the exception to get him into a Mavs uniform and then re-sign him long term next year when his contract is up?

MFFL · 06-27-2002, 03:48 PM

Kandi is a restricted free agent so the Clips would match. And NBA players want the long term deals whenever possible.

Drbio · 06-27-2002, 03:52 PM

Kandi only comes to the Mavs in a sign and trade.

kg_veteran · 06-27-2002, 03:53 PM

So perhaps the answer is a three-team deal which gives the Clippers whatever it is that they want, gives the Mavs Kandi and perhaps a backup PG, and sees Dallas shipping out NVE and other warm bodies...

Dooby · 06-27-2002, 04:01 PM

That is a possibility. But it would have to involve an eastern conference team b/c no western conference team will help us get Kandi.

Drbio · 06-27-2002, 04:03 PM

Someone mock up some Clips-Mavs-Knicks trade scenarios.....

kg_veteran · 06-27-2002, 04:13 PM

<< That is a possibility. But it would have to involve an eastern conference team b/c no western conference team will help us get Kandi. >>

Good point. [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif[/img]

MFFL · 06-27-2002, 04:16 PM

I can't imagine the Knicks have even ONE player the Clips want. The Clips want CHEAP talent.

The cheapest Knicks are Othella Harrington, Kurt Thomas, and Travis Knight. The Clips are already loaded at PF.

Drbio · 06-27-2002, 04:18 PM

Unless the Clips were interested in Mavs Bradley, Esch or some other bench guy.

FilthyFinMavs · 06-27-2002, 05:51 PM

Yea I dont understand why everyone is willing to pull the trigger on the Ward and NVE trade so quickly. There are more options then this. As far as Kurt Thomas being a stud here? He cant even be a stud in NY let alone being what a 4th option? Like someone said i would do this as a consolation prize if everything falls thruogh but I would much rather have Malik Rose than Kurt Thomas any day of the week. Kurt is no scrub but if we are going to trade NVE which is probaly gonna be our last trading bait till we make the championship I want something better than Kurt Thomas. If it has to pull Najera in a deal to ship Nick im for it long as we get a guy like a Antonio Davis type player. What abotu Dale Davis i like his game and maybe we could get a nice deal from Portalnd being they are trying to stop going the all star route.

Dooby · 06-28-2002, 07:18 AM

One thing needs to be said about Kandi. If the Clips can't work a deal to keep him, it will be devastating for the psyche of that team. You can justify shipping Odom off because of the drug issue. But Kandi deserves his money and has behaved. That is a tight young core and if you let one get away, I suspect everyone will become disinterested and want to bolt. If they can't resign Kandi, I think Brand will want out. And the clippers will have to start all over.

Murphy3 · 06-28-2002, 07:21 AM

malik rose probably isn't leaving SA and he doesn't address the mavs interior defensive needs

Drbio · 06-28-2002, 08:07 AM

Rose has stated publically that he has no desire to leave San Anotonio.

mick · 06-28-2002, 08:17 AM

<< Unless the Clips were interested in Mavs Bradley, Esch or some other bench guy. >>

Clipps may be interested in our RFA, Wang. However, it's not likely that we can do a dual S&T as I doubt that Wang will be in the same salary range as Kandi. I believe the qualifying salary that Clipps have to give Kandi for the RFA is status is in the $6 mil range.

Clipps need backcourt help more than front court. Would you keep NVE and trade Nash/Wang?

Most wouldn't do it. Clipps would be even scarier for us with either Nash or Nick.

Therefore, the best option is a 3 or more team trade.

BTW, the reason I think NVE has more trade value than some on this board want to admit is because of the number of teams needing a solid PG. Nick is definitely a quality PG, and the way he has handled himself in Dallas surely has raised his value from what it was in Denver. Some GM somewhere will project him with his Dallas attitude and his Denver stats and believe he is a fit for their team.

mick · 06-28-2002, 08:21 AM

<< One thing needs to be said about Kandi. If the Clips can't work a deal to keep him, it will be devastating for the psyche of that team. You can justify shipping Odom off because of the drug issue. But Kandi deserves his money and has behaved. That is a tight young core and if you let one get away, I suspect everyone will become disinterested and want to bolt. If they can't resign Kandi, I think Brand will want out. And the clippers will have to start all over. >>

Sterling was quoted in the papers yesterday as saying he has given Baylor the green light on signing Kandi if Baylor wants him back.

mick · 06-28-2002, 08:24 AM

<< Rose has stated publically that he has no desire to leave San Anotonio. >>

Another thought. If SA keeps Rose, and now that they have drafted Scola, they should have no interest in Najera.

Dooby · 06-28-2002, 08:27 AM

I doubt anyone in San Antonio, other than Spurs fanboys, ever did have an interest in Najera.

Murphy3 · 06-28-2002, 08:44 AM

he's probably the opposite of NVE.

his value with the mavs is greater than his actual ability.

jacktruth · 06-28-2002, 09:23 AM

Hate to bring this back up, but Kirk Thomas is a smart basketball player. I'll bet Najera can learn a lot from him. Yet another reason. . .

MavKikiNYC · 06-28-2002, 09:33 AM

I hope HE can spell his name...

Drbio · 06-28-2002, 03:24 PM

Another thought. If SA keeps Rose, and now that they have drafted Scola, they should have no interest in Najera.

I don't think they had a snowballs chance in hell of signing Eddie.