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Underdog · 10-28-2014, 09:29 PM

We lost, but it took a few lucky bounces (and some serious home cooking) for the reigning champs to beat us by 1 point.

Dirkadirkastan · 10-28-2014, 09:29 PM

Why did Dirk pass the ball?

EricaLubarsky · 10-28-2014, 09:31 PM

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Why did Dirk pass the ball?

No answer. Selflessness is great for 47min. Dude has to take it in the last minute.

jthig32 · 10-28-2014, 10:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Dirkadirkastan

Why did Dirk pass the ball?

Because the double team was waiting for him, and a third defender was lurking on his side of the lane as well. Definitely made the right play.

CanadianMavsFan · 10-28-2014, 10:42 PM

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Because the double team was waiting for him, and a third defender was lurking on his side of the lane as well. Definitely made the right play.

This. Mavs got a pretty good shot. I was yelling for the timeout when the play started but you can't be unhappy with the result and not allowing the Spurs to set up was probably the right move from RC.

Oh, and Aminu has to not take long mid range jumpers or threes please and thank you.

EricaLubarsky · 10-28-2014, 10:42 PM

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Originally Posted by jthig32

Because the double team was waiting for him, and a third defender was lurking on his side of the lane as well. Definitely made the right play.

Then he draws it and passes out of it to an open guy. Can't be afraid that a double MAY come. Gotta be better than that.

jthig32 · 10-28-2014, 10:45 PM

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Then he draws it and passes out of it to an open guy. Can't be afraid that a double MAY come. Gotta be better than that.

He did pass it to an open guy. He started a sequence that resulted in a wide open shot. The double team had already started closing on him.

Melonhead · 10-28-2014, 10:54 PM

As much as I hate it but if monta was more vocal when going to the rim I think he'd get a lot more calls. Boozer just yelled while going for a layup and like clockwork the whistle blew. He was never touched.

Don't forget kawhi and patty mills were out. Hopefully we put up a better game next time around.

Murphy3 · 10-29-2014, 08:07 AM

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Then he draws it and passes out of it to an open guy. Can't be afraid that a double MAY come. Gotta be better than that.

You sure about that? The Mavs swung the ball around the arc for a pretty good look. You may want a do over on this post Erica.

In all honesty, Parson's should have kicked to a wide open Ellis. The play worked great. You can't ask for anything better than a wide open look which is what should have occurred. Ellis didn't have anyone near him that could have contested the shot. Perhaps Chandler wasn't aware of how much time was on the clock or perhaps he didn't see Ellis... But Ellis was wide open. That's what the Spurs do. The ball goes in and then it's kicked out and swung around the arc until you find the wide open man. The Mavs fell one pass short. There's no guarantee Ellis knocks it down. But, he could have had anything from a 3 pointer to a wide open 18 footer to win the game.

LonghornDub · 10-28-2014, 11:05 PM

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Because the double team was waiting for him, and a third defender was lurking on his side of the lane as well. Definitely made the right play.

My first reaction was that he shouldn't have passed, but on replay, the double is clearly coming (and only a few feet away), so this is definitely correct. The right play, as frustrating it is for a game to end without Dirk putting up a shot.

MaverickGold · 10-29-2014, 08:59 AM

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Because the double team was waiting for him, and a third defender was lurking on his side of the lane as well. Definitely made the right play.

What??? He was on an island with Danny Green (6'6").
Duncan had post support, so going around Green was maybe not an option, but shooting over him would have been trivial. And the way Green was draped on him, he probably would have caught Dirk's elbow and Dirk would have been at the line for the game winner.

Everyone wondering why Dirk didn't shoot it are valid in their question. He had the shot.

My guess was that he's really trying to hand the reins to someone else - either Monta or Parsons.

http://youtu.be/AuDhkMRMdmk?t=6m53s

jthig32 · 10-29-2014, 10:53 AM

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What??? He was on an island with Danny Green (6'6").
Duncan had post support, so going around Green was maybe not an option, but shooting over him would have been trivial. And the way Green was draped on him, he probably would have caught Dirk's elbow and Dirk would have been at the line for the game winner.

Everyone wondering why Dirk didn't shoot it are valid in their question. He had the shot.

My guess was that he's really trying to hand the reins to someone else - either Monta or Parsons.

http://youtu.be/AuDhkMRMdmk?t=6m53s

Danny Green was basically hugging him. Shooting over him would decidedly not have been trivial.

More importantly, Dirk's decision led to a good shot and could have led to a great shot. His decision worked.

MaverickGold · 10-29-2014, 11:59 AM

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Danny Green was basically hugging him. Shooting over him would decidedly not have been trivial.

More importantly, Dirk's decision led to a good shot and could have led to a great shot. His decision worked.

Watch the video again. Dirk makes space when he catches the ball, but when he turns, he has already committed to passing. He pulls the ball into the air with both hands and that time allows Danny to come chest to chest.

Danny isn't hugging him as soon as he catches the pass.

If Dirk had wanted to catch, turn and shoot, he would have had the space. We all know that Dirk's jumper requires no space between him and the defender.

I had no big issue with the pass either. Monta had been pretty hot in the second half. He was wide open. Why didn't he shoot it? It's as much on him as it is on Dirk.

I'm just now seeing that Danny Green "box out" on Dirk at the end of that play. I'm not sure that's a no call at the end of the game. It looks like he just sweeps Dirk off the court entirely without any chance to rebound.

Kante · 10-28-2014, 09:32 PM

- Refs taking Chandler out of the game, calling bogus fouls on the Mavs, Ellis not getting any love as always.
- Dirk showed up late, but showed up. Maybe going to him earlier to slow things down when it's not working next time. Should have shot the last shot where he had the chance.
- Parsons was good on D but bad on O. But he didn't force anything which was good.
- Ellis was good and glad to have Chandler back.
- Maybe call the TO (they had one i think) at the end? I know why RC did that, to not let SA set up their Defense, but it was rushed.

So, 5 on 8 but stayed close, good sign. There are improvements needed, but that's normal with a new team.

LonghornDub · 10-28-2014, 09:32 PM

Great game. Mavs are very good. Fifty-five ish wins looks reasonably attainable.

Jproxursoxoff · 10-28-2014, 09:36 PM

Typical. Glad I turned the game off halfway through the 4th so I wouldnt have to view it with my own eyes. I see we're back to throwing away leads and bad late-game execution. Should be a fun season.

LonghornDub · 10-28-2014, 09:40 PM

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Typical. Glad I turned the game off halfway through the 4th so I wouldnt have to view it with my own eyes. I see we're back to throwing away leads and bad late-game execution. Should be a fun season.

Terrific post in so many respects.

Jproxursoxoff · 10-28-2014, 09:42 PM

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Terrific post in so many respects.

Thanks. I agree

DevinHarriswillstart · 10-28-2014, 09:38 PM

Funny that Chandler Parsons was decent on defense and terrible on offense. They game planned for him, and it showed.

Gotta get something from Greg Smith.

ffballer · 10-28-2014, 09:38 PM

im way to pissed off to see the good outta this, ill post again tomorrow

DevinHarriswillstart · 10-28-2014, 09:39 PM

I still can't believe they allowed the flops against Dirk and Tyson of all players. Duncan flopping against Smith or Wright...fine. But you gotta respect the champs.

mavs777 · 10-28-2014, 09:44 PM

I guess I'll be in the minority, I wasn't able to watch the first 28ish minutes of game time cause of school but I thought the refs were mostly fine. On the second or third to last Mavs possession dirk was getting mugged off ball tho.

mac222b · 10-29-2014, 12:40 AM

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I guess I'll be in the minority, I wasn't able to watch the first 28ish minutes of game time cause of school but I thought the refs were mostly fine. On the second or third to last Mavs possession dirk was getting mugged off ball tho.

Both technicals were the result of Duncan flops. Not sure if you caught that part of the game. Also, the refs making a couple questionable calls against Tyson really shifted momentum.

Great to see TC back!

Skywalker · 10-28-2014, 09:45 PM

Good game. We are clearly still a little rough around the edges but we will get there. Some rockets embarrassment right now would help me feel better though

sefant77 · 10-28-2014, 09:46 PM

Hey, at least we are not the Rockets and traded Asik within the division to a team that had allready future MVP Davis and also Ryan Anderson.

That frontcourt is nasty and Davis/Asik gonna destroy a lot of teams, including Howard. combined 14 blocks and 34 rebounds. Of course it was just the Magic with no size except Vu...

Oh and we lost by one point and got two silly T

mavs777 · 10-28-2014, 09:49 PM

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Hey, at least we are not the Rockets and traded Asik within the division to a team that had allready future MVP Davis and also Ryan Anderson.

That frontcourt is nasty and Davis/Asik gonna destroy a lot of teams, including Howard. combined 14 blocks and 34 rebounds. Of course it was just the Magic with no size except Vu...

The Rockets got a probable lottery pick for a player they were quite obviously not going to be able to keep past his contract, they did well.

LonghornDub · 10-28-2014, 10:04 PM

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The Rockets got a probable lottery pick for a player they were quite obviously not going to be able to keep past his contract, they did well.

Except they could have gotten much more than that if they had been more patient and not shipped him out in a desperate fire sale to make room for Bosh. So, no, they didn't do very well at all.

rmacomic · 10-28-2014, 09:47 PM

Dang, I was hoping we would get off our regular season loosing streak against the Spurs tonight. I had this penciled in as a loss (ring night and all), but this one still sucks. Looking forward to a great season, and this team looks like it can be a threat.

yahyes · 10-28-2014, 09:48 PM

Moving on to the next one. This team has time to mesh.

Melonhead · 10-28-2014, 09:52 PM

Do the refs even recognize the mavs as a championship team? Treated like we were the pelicans

Underdog · 10-28-2014, 09:58 PM

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Do the refs even recognize the mavs as a championship team? Treated like we were the pelicans

If the refs had ANY respect for Ellis, he'd not only be an All-Star, but he probably also be in the running for a scoring title... Dude should be taking a dozen FTs per game with how often he draws contact in the paint.

CanadianMavsFan · 10-28-2014, 10:31 PM

Really solid game just tough to swallow on opening night and with so much optimism. Spurs shot the lights out (over fifty percent from three) and Chandler got in foul trouble in the third quarter. I'm not too worried about Parsons. He had his up and down games with Houston and the Spurs are a good defensive team. On top of that I think he just had an unusually bad shooting night.

Dirk looked good especially later on. Monta was a beast and Chandler was such a stark contrast to the complacent Dalembert last year the way he played. Jefferson had a really bad game (looked sloppy and missed some open threes).

If the Parsons shot goes in we're all on cloud nine right now. Mavs played well top to bottom for the most part and will only get better with improving chemistry. Should be a really fun season (hope everyone stays healthy!).

beatLA · 10-28-2014, 09:58 PM

Hard to take a loss on season opener. Had so much expectation!

LSMF · 10-28-2014, 10:02 PM

Mavs looked brilliant at numerous points of that game. Not bad for a team playing 5 against 8.

Underdog · 10-28-2014, 10:06 PM

I'd really like to see Parsons be a little more assertive going forward... I get that he wanted to be a team player in his first game as a Maverick, but I feel like he pushed himself out of his comfort zone as a result.

I think that had a lot to do with Dirk passing up that last shot - he wanted to give Parsons a chance to be a hero, give him some confidence. Oh, well...

rimrocker · 10-29-2014, 10:07 AM

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I'd really like to see Parsons be a little more assertive going forward... I get that he wanted to be a team player in his first game as a Maverick, but I feel like he pushed himself out of his comfort zone as a result.

I think that had a lot to do with Dirk passing up that last shot - he wanted to give Parsons a chance to be a hero, give him some confidence. Oh, well...

This is nearly verbatim to what I was going to post.
Dirk knows he can't carry the full load anymore and that others like Ellis, Parsons and Nelson are going to have to step up offensively.

Personally I think we are more talented than the Spurs and when the rotation is figured out we will be a better team.
I would have liked to see Aminu in a bigger role because we will need his D down the stretch.

I'm way out on a limb here but I'm just as concerned about the Pelicans as I am the Spurs this season. This should be their breakout season.

Vinsanity · 10-28-2014, 10:09 PM

The sad part is, if Patty Mills were there he woulda went 7/8 from three and we'd have lost by double digits. But I'm not worried at all about the loss. Our team needs time to gel, everything won't come together right away. Plus, if one ball bounces in our favor we're having a completely different discussion right now. But it is what it is... the refs were being extra generous to the Spurs on ring-night, and as usual they shoot an insane % from three. Now if we lose to the Jazz on Thursday at home, I might be concerned just a little.

Cerberus · 10-28-2014, 10:10 PM

Disappointing result, but I still enjoyed the game. Not bad for considering we still haven't figured our our true rotation against an already established team. Parson wasn't firing but he won't shoot 2-10 every night. Bench relies a lot on Harris. Not blaming refs but what does Monta need to do to get FTs

Underdog · 10-28-2014, 10:23 PM

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Not blaming refs but what does Monta need to do to get FTs

Knee pads?

It's absurd how little respect that guy gets from the zebras.

sefant77 · 10-28-2014, 10:43 PM

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Knee pads?

It's absurd how little respect that guy gets from the zebras.

Because he doesnt act during his drives. And getting FTs on your drives is all about acting. Its pretty sad but just ask and watch Harden or Pierce...

In other news, almost halftime in LA and Harden went allready nine times to the line.