03-29-2023, 08:55 PM
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Can't understand why they didn't challenge that goaltend it was a clean block
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03-29-2023, 08:56 PM
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Relying on 3s way too much. Sole reason why Philly has the lead back now.
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03-29-2023, 08:59 PM
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Kleber fuckibg up
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03-29-2023, 09:02 PM
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Fycking THJ and Wood always makes the worse fouls at the wrong time
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03-29-2023, 09:06 PM
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Kleber playing scared as shit
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03-29-2023, 09:09 PM
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Bunch of chokers. Completely falling apart In crunch time yet again vs a team that already is locked in the playoffs and has little to gain from this game.
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03-29-2023, 09:15 PM
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Good loss.
Although refs missed a goaltend, and a few fouls that should?ve been on Philly in the 4th.
We really need some good coaches that know how to get the best out of Luka Kyrie on the floor together.
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03-29-2023, 09:12 PM
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Gave that shit away at the end
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03-29-2023, 09:14 PM
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Kleber plays scared, Powell has no size and Wood is weak as shit
Then when it matters most they always give up a fuckibg crucial late game rebound
Not sure how the fuck THJ can never learn to box someone out and then he committs yet another stupid ass foul as a result of it
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03-29-2023, 09:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Dallas41
Kleber plays scared, Powell has no size and Wood is weak as shit
Then when it matters most they always give up a fuckibg crucial late game rebound
Not sure how the fuck THJ can never learn to box someone out and then he committs yet another stupid ass foul as a result of it
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Another guy that should be long gone. Once he got lucky with the bank 3, you knew he was going to go full chuck mode and make nothing the rest of the game. Typical THJ
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03-29-2023, 09:33 PM
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Another guy that should be long gone. Once he got lucky with the bank 3, you knew he was going to go full chuck mode and make nothing the rest of the game. Typical THJ
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Wood, THJ and Powell
Those 3 guys would be addition by subtraction this off season
Apparently they shopped both THJ and Wood at the deadline and no team wanted either guy which is very telling.
They have to figure out a way to flip those two guys for a quality wing defender. The roster is too offensive heavy and those two can be replaced easily
It's a shame with the west being so wide open this year Luka won't even make the playoffs. The fucking lakers were terrible all year and then completely changed their outlook by making multiple trades at the deadline
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03-29-2023, 09:15 PM
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Were they like 1 for their last 9 on 3s? At some point Kidd needs to make sure these guys drive and take better shots.
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03-29-2023, 09:35 PM
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Why the fvck is Kidd not challenging that Kleber offensive foul at 4 mins left? That was clear cut non call at worst but likely overturnedd to defensive foul on Embiid if challenged. Kleber is so scared that he doesn't even really complain about it. I've said this for 3 years now, Kleber is deer in the headlights.
I'll be so happy to see Bullock, DP and THJ gone. Good people but so sickening to watch them be relied on.
McGee can't get mins after that performance on Monday. Such a Kidd mind fvck. I swear Kidd had an brain aneurysm or a stroke last summer. Dude had the audacity to recently complain about the team not playing with any desperation. That mf hasn't coached or managed the roster with any.
2-7 still looking good. We are going to finish the season in no man's land. Other teams also backing into the play in, but San Antonio of all teams will put the final dagger in. Cuban isn't going to stand up and make changes. We will scramble to replace key guys and have a worse roster next season, with a bum head coach and still have people paying to go watch the games.
Another Tough loss rant
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03-29-2023, 09:53 PM
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Phew, that was closer than I'd of liked. Glad we pulled out the L in the end.
And yeah, I'd say the collective BBIQ of this team is in the garbage.
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03-29-2023, 09:58 PM
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This team is a legitimate joke.
Article this morning Kidd saying how we?re going to need to rely on McGee tonight against Embiid.
Six minutes.
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03-29-2023, 11:55 PM
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This team is a legitimate joke.
Article this morning Kidd saying how we?re going to need to rely on McGee tonight against Embiid.
Six minutes.
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After Mcgee beat Embiid down the floor and got that fast break dunk I thought for sure he would finish the game
Dallas went ahead 103-100 with about 7 minutes left.
But for some reason Kidd felt Kleber was the guy needed to close and it backfired
Kleber was a disaster that entire 4th qtr down the stretch refusing to take open shots
Might as well stuck with Mcgee even though he doesn't space the floor
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03-29-2023, 10:13 PM
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Things are kind of a cluster F in Dallas right now. - Kyrie.
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03-29-2023, 11:03 PM
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Things are kind of a cluster F in Dallas right now. - Kyrie.
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Unlike vaccines having microchips and African Americans being the real Jews,
Kyrie is speaking some truth this time
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03-29-2023, 10:16 PM
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Sad that I don't really care if we lost Luka and Kyrie. That's how much this team has sucked the life out of me.
But there is no way I'm blaming Luka. Everyone shitting on him now don't get that he had to carry this sorry ass team on his back the first half of the season. I called that back in August that it would wear him down.
That and worst in league coaching will get you nowhere. Put a real team around Luka with a good coach or trade him.
The fun is gone.
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03-30-2023, 10:19 AM
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Sad that I don't really care if we lost Luka and Kyrie. That's how much this team has sucked the life out of me.
But there is no way I'm blaming Luka. Everyone shitting on him now don't get that he had to carry this sorry ass team on his back the first half of the season. I called that back in August that it would wear him down.
That and worst in league coaching will get you nowhere. Put a real team around Luka with a good coach or trade him.
The fun is gone.
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Luka is one of the very few superstars in the history of the league that falls out of shape as the season progresses. And this is not unique to this season as it has become a trend. What this effectively suggests is that he lacks a full time commitment to his trade. Reminds me of the early Dirk tenure when Dirk finally realized that he had to begin eating better, minimizing alcohol consumption, accept the fact that aerobic conditioning is a constant discipline, etc.
How Luka responds to this dismal season will tell us everything that we need to know about his future.
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03-30-2023, 01:05 PM
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Luka is one of the very few superstars in the history of the league that falls out of shape as the season progresses. And this is not unique to this season as it has become a trend. What this effectively suggests is that he lacks a full time commitment to his trade. Reminds me of the early Dirk tenure when Dirk finally realized that he had to begin eating better, minimizing alcohol consumption, accept the fact that aerobic conditioning is a constant discipline, etc.
How Luka responds to this dismal season will tell us everything that we need to know about his future.
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I totally agree. It is totally amazing that a 23 year old now barely 24 year old kid who runs around 2 plus hours every other night could actually get flabby and heavier as the season progresses. It is not the lack of exercise but instead a lack of caloric discipline. He is obviously eating and potentially drinking too much. Remember kids there is no amount of exercise you can't out eat if you are not careful. Perhaps skipping some meals or even whole days of eating on non game days might help Luka finally get lean.
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03-30-2023, 01:15 PM
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I totally agree. It is totally amazing that a 23 year old now barely 24 year old kid who runs around 2 plus hours every other night could actually get flabby and heavier as the season progresses. It is not the lack of exercise but instead a lack of caloric discipline. He is obviously eating and potentially drinking too much. Remember kids there is no amount of exercise you can't out eat if you are not careful. Perhaps skipping some meals or even whole days of eating on non game days might help Luka finally get lean.
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side note fasting for 3 weeks helped me lose 12 pounds before a wedding. But I wasnt doing any high intense activity those weeks.
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03-30-2023, 02:45 PM
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side note fasting for 3 weeks helped me lose 12 pounds before a wedding. But I wasnt doing any high intense activity those weeks.
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Intermittent fasting is where it's at. I'm a seasoned Ultra Endurance Athlete (runner) on the side of my career. (I'm 45, btw). I burn a ton of calories through rigorous training, but even I still adhere to intermittent fasting as it does wonders to my gut health. I eat dinner at 5:30PM and then that's it - nothing until 4AM which is when I wake up to train. This gives me an 11 hour fast and I wake up feeling wonderful.
Aerobic training is what Luka has to adopt this offseason. Consistent aerobic training will train his body to use oxygen more efficiently. But more importantly, train his heart to operate lower at all times (while resting, functioning as normal, training and playing games) as a lower overall heart rate demands less energy. And when you're more aerobically fit, you simply have more in the tank which helps you practice/pursue your trade.
I'm a firm believer that you can't play good defense if you're not in tremendous shape!
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03-31-2023, 02:07 PM
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Luka is one of the very few superstars in the history of the league that falls out of shape as the season progresses. And this is not unique to this season as it has become a trend.
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Last season, the narrative was that he came into the season out of shape, and played his way into shape. He shot like 20% from 3 in the first half of the season, and like 45% in the second half of the season, and the culprit was thought to be his fitness. Not sure about this trend hypothesis.
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03-30-2023, 12:15 AM
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Kidd is basically begging Cuban to take the bait and fire him. Why though? This all seems like it's on purpose.
I mean, just read this postgame quote..
?Yeah, you know, when you look at [Jaden Hardy]'s end of game in today's game, they were taking advantage of him being a rookie. They put him in everything and he struggled. So, I didn't want to leave him out there on an island and when you look at [Christian Wood], he understands there were some breakdowns so we had to figure out how to get some stops once we were down. And then, also be able to score and for both of those guys offensively, it wasn't you know, at a high level. So I went with a different group to be able to generate offense and defense at the same time.?
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03-30-2023, 07:21 AM
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So tired of Mavs jacking up threes. Anyone told them they are just 9th in 3pt% in the league. They aren?t even top 5 so why try to use this attack as often? I just feel its laziness. Of course it is easier to just jack up threes then drive to the hoop and try to get fouled. Its too boring on isolation ball or jacking up 3s over and over. They must be making these in practice a lot. Just look at some of the players wasting time playing around by jacking up half court shots in practice. What a waste of time.
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03-30-2023, 10:25 AM
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I really honestly feel the way Kidd treated Wood sent shockwaves through the team and ruined the season from the get-go. It made no sense and still doesn't. Does Wood have flaws? Yes. Is he still our best big man? Yes.
Why dick around the only guy who has a chance to hold the fort down?
And if you don't want to play him, then why not play McGee?
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03-30-2023, 12:43 PM
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So many things to blame
1) the league just got better
2) The rule changes made defense harder and we were already running a totally contraption-based defense that was held together with scotch tape
3) We ran Luka too hard. He had to put up 50 every night which lead to him having really poor defense
4) Which led to no defensive accountability
5) Which was worsened by his lack of conditioning
6) Wood was probably mistreated, but also lead to a lot of poor defense
7) Kidd jerked around the S5 and rotations mercilessly so no one got comfortable
8) Kidd set no clear roles so guys are uncomfortable doing their thing (just look at Kleber hesitating to shoot
9) While Luka dominated the ball, the rest of the guys never got touches and the team lost trust in one another leading to shooting slumps
10) Kidd is just a dick
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03-30-2023, 01:07 PM
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So many things to blame
1) the league just got better
2) The rule changes made defense harder and we were already running a totally contraption-based defense that was held together with scotch tape
3) We ran Luka too hard. He had to put up 50 every night which lead to him having really poor defense
4) Which led to no defensive accountability
5) Which was worsened by his lack of conditioning
6) Wood was probably mistreated, but also lead to a lot of poor defense
7) Kidd jerked around the S5 and rotations mercilessly so no one got comfortable
8) Kidd set no clear roles so guys are uncomfortable doing their thing (just look at Kleber hesitating to shoot
9) While Luka dominated the ball, the rest of the guys never got touches and the team lost trust in one another leading to shooting slumps
10) Kidd is just a dick
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Agree with all of that above. Last but not least in terms of team building during the Luka era - we picked the wrong guy in 2020 with all due respect to the regressing Josh Green. Desmond Bane would have been tremendous alongside Luka. Nobody in the league makes 25 points look more effortless than Bane.
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03-30-2023, 01:16 PM
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Agree with all of that above. Last but not least in terms of team building during the Luka era - we picked the wrong guy in 2020 with all due respect to the regressing Josh Green. Desmond Bane would have been tremendous alongside Luka. Nobody in the league makes 25 points look more effortless than Bane.
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Totally disagree. Green is long, quick, and strong. We need a 3/D guy who can be a secondary playmaker and Green is perfect in that role. too bad Kidd is a piece of @#$ who doesn't see that. His defense is way better and his peak is way higher.
If Kidd wasn't an asshole, Green could be putting up 20-5-5 too. Green has better defensive numbers, better defensive upside, better IQ, etc.
We've drafted incredibly well. Luka, Green, and Hardy with mostly terrible picks. The drafting lately isn't the problem. The problem is coaching and the terrible position we've been in to get vets in trade/free-agency.
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03-30-2023, 01:25 PM
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I just looked at the remaining schedule and the Pelicans could very well lose all their remaining games:
3/30 @Denver
4/1 Clippers
4/4 Kings
4/5 Grizzlies
4/7 Knicks
4/9 @Timberwolves
Mavs series with Pelicans is 2-2
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03-30-2023, 01:58 PM
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Totally disagree. Green is long, quick, and strong. We need a 3/D guy who can be a secondary playmaker and Green is perfect in that role. too bad Kidd is a piece of @#$ who doesn't see that. His defense is way better and his peak is way higher.
If Kidd wasn't an asshole, Green could be putting up 20-5-5 too. Green has better defensive numbers, better defensive upside, better IQ, etc.
We've drafted incredibly well. Luka, Green, and Hardy with mostly terrible picks. The drafting lately isn't the problem. The problem is coaching and the terrible position we've been in to get vets in trade/free-agency.
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I will respectfully disagree with your disagreement. Have you seen Bane play next to Ja and totally create his own shot etc. He isn't a horrible defender and is also a tough guy like Green. Green will likely never be a plus offensive player.
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03-30-2023, 01:23 PM
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https://www.dallasnews.com/sports/ma..._dmn_mavericks
Nico's response to the great Kidd question...
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If you?re Jason, how do you game plan when you don?t know who?s available? I think he?s been put in a tough position. I think what Jason?s done really well is he?s really dug into being positive with all the uncertainty. It?s easy to start pointing fingers. He?s really dug into being positive, and I think that?s super helpful. I think the guys can feel the positive energy and again, I think he?s been in a tough position.
Honestly, we weren?t playing good before the trade, so the trade was never going to be a magic pill all of a sudden, but we did expect those guys to play more games together to figure each other out. Again, I?m not really worried about those two figuring each other out. It?s the players around them.
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Pretty astounding how he defends Kidd here while throwing every player not named Luka or Kyrie under the bus.
Gee, who put this team together?
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03-30-2023, 02:22 PM
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Agreeing with two of the above comments: something seems cognitively off with Kidd. I think I mentioned this months ago. Not only does he struggle with making simple in game coaching decisions, most of what comes out of his mouth is absurd.
This is a male or break off-season for Luka. How he responds will tell us everything we need to know. He either wants to be one of the greatest or he?s content just being another great and relatively ?coasting.? We aren?t winning a championship without an all in Luka.
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03-30-2023, 06:00 PM
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Here we are in year 4 or 5 still saying Luka will be better as he matures when it comes to his fitness and leadership
At this point I personally don't think Luka will ever change his preparation or commitment to staying in shape. I don't think he will ever stop complaining about the refs.
Usually guys who are committed to their fitness like LeBron and Giannis committ to that from day one.
Luka is like Carmello he will get by on his athletic skill for as long as he can without putting in the extra time for fitness.
But also don't expect Luka to play 12-15 years in this league. I think he's the type who will play at high a level for 8-10 years and just bounce out.
The real issues is how long will he stick around here waiting on cuban and Nico to get shit done.
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03-30-2023, 06:46 PM
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Here we are in year 4 or 5 still saying Luka will be better as he matures when it comes to his fitness and leadership
At this point I personally don't think Luka will ever change his preparation or commitment to staying in shape. I don't think he will ever stop complaining about the refs.
Usually guys who are committed to their fitness like LeBron and Giannis committ to that from day one.
Luka is like Carmello he will get by on his athletic skill for as long as he can without putting in the extra time for fitness.
But also don't expect Luka to play 12-15 years in this league. I think he's the type who will play at high a level for 8-10 years and just bounce out.
The real issues is how long will he stick around here waiting on cuban and Nico to get shit done.
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Luka actually was in better shape to start this season because he had just played overseas. Guy was putting up prime Jordan numbers.
Bigger problem this time around was doing too much and then having to carry the team on his back.
Lot of us called it back before the season started that he would be run down by mid season.
I obviously agree he needs to take better care of himself, but I don't think that was going to have a ton of impact in this specific season.
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^Yeah, all of this and a big bag of ducks. We're screwed.
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Watching New Orleans just makes you realize how flawed this mavs roster is
Dallas might be the only team in the NBA that is allergic to driving the ball tp the basket.
Pelicans even without Zion still try to attack the paint. They shoot 3's but they also have multiple guys who can put the ball on the floor and get to the rim.
I think that is why Dallas struggles so much in close games late because they no longer have JB who would attack the paint as opposed to settle for the 3
Luka at times will totally stop driving and settle for step back 3"s way too often. That's why him JB and Dinwiddie were tough to defend because it wasn't just all 3's being shot in close games
Guys like THJ and Wood are going to launch the 1st open 3 point shot they get. They don't really stay aggressive trying to drive the ball.
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Luka on where the mavs are in the standings
"We still have chances, so we shouldn't give up yet."
Not sure about that unless they finish up like 5-0 or 4-1 because they don't even own any tie breakers
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Derozan would have changed this team. That type of player is who we need on thr wing. Even more than Kyrie. We need a Mobil semi intelligent big and we need a 2 way wing or someone with size who can get buckets, pass and reb.
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