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DevinHarriswillstart · 06-14-2022, 09:48 AM

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Scroll a little further and you?ll find this:

The Dallas Mavericks, picking No. 26, and Golden State Warriors, picking No. 28, are motivated to find deals for their late-first round selections, sources told B/R. Dallas and Golden State have expensive rosters that feature players such as Brunson, Jordan Poole and Andrew Wiggins who are due for paydays.

Yeah I hope not. Last year's 26th pick averaged 10 ppg for Denver. The idea that you just give up and think you need to develop anyone that lands at 26 is just lazy. Bird in hand is worth two in the bush.

No if they get a ready to play guy like Holmes, fine. Just don't squander it because of cap issues.

saclare · 06-14-2022, 04:32 PM

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Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

Yeah I hope not. Last year's 26th pick averaged 10 ppg for Denver. The idea that you just give up and think you need to develop anyone that lands at 26 is just lazy. Bird in hand is worth two in the bush.

No if they get a ready to play guy like Holmes, fine. Just don't squander it because of cap issues.

I was about to respond to you in the other thread, but here will do lol

I think a move such as trading this year's 26th for something next year that could realistically be projected as an earlier pick isn't punting this draft. It would be more about opening up several options and a move that the FO only really does if they don't get the sense the impact type of players will fall to 26. A higher pick in a deeper draft next year could be much more valuable as would the idea we could then be open to trading future draft picks if that move was made. I wouldn't necessarily chalk it up to chasing superstars, more to obtaining flexibility and potentially more value down the line.

It wouldn't break my heart to not pick at 26, I would just need to see the future potential in doing so. Looks like the Mavs FO is doing the same and gauging the market for such a move. Unfortunately, draft night likely brings the most value for a pick so late in the 1st round.

DevinHarriswillstart · 06-14-2022, 05:33 PM

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I was about to respond to you in the other thread, but here will do lol

I think a move such as trading this year's 26th for something next year that could realistically be projected as an earlier pick isn't punting this draft. It would be more about opening up several options and a move that the FO only really does if they don't get the sense the impact type of players will fall to 26. A higher pick in a deeper draft next year could be much more valuable as would the idea we could then be open to trading future draft picks if that move was made. I wouldn't necessarily chalk it up to chasing superstars, more to obtaining flexibility and potentially more value down the line.

It wouldn't break my heart to not pick at 26, I would just need to see the future potential in doing so. Looks like the Mavs FO is doing the same and gauging the market for such a move. Unfortunately, draft night likely brings the most value for a pick so late in the 1st round.

It wouldn't break my heart if we didn't desperately need a center. Like I would start basically any decent big in this draft over Powell. The current climate for getting one is one of the worst in years either through trades or FA. Holmes is the most realistic trade target, but again, such things are just theories until they actually happen. And FA has maybe Biyombo for what we can afford?

Powell has been on the team for 8 freakin' years. Every summer we think we're moving on from him only for that to not happen. Until we upgrade, I'm gonna be on about it because it's untenable.

rimrocker · 06-14-2022, 06:43 PM

I still think Hartenstein would be a decent move to help address our front court situation.
Just seems to be on the verge of a breakout season.

BPo001 · 06-15-2022, 08:06 AM

Mavs TPE broken down

https://www.mavsmoneyball.com/2022/6...PdiU&fs=e&s=cl

DevinHarriswillstart · 06-15-2022, 08:11 PM

WE GOT WOOD!!!!

For Boban, Chris, Burke and the 26th pick. No way Donnie ever pulls a move like that off. What a steal.

MFFL · 06-15-2022, 08:45 PM

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WE GOT WOOD!!!!

I love it!

BPo001 · 06-15-2022, 08:12 PM

Luka Doncic has a new pick-and-roll partner, while the Houston Rockets are once again retooling for the future.

The Dallas Mavericks reached a deal to acquire center Christian Wood from Houston in exchange for Boban Marjanovic, Sterling Brown, Trey Burke and Marquese Chriss and the No. 26 overall pick, according to The Athletic's Shams Charania.

DevinHarriswillstart · 06-15-2022, 08:17 PM

Think about getting Deandre Ayton production for basically the 26th pick. Wow.

BPo001 · 06-15-2022, 08:28 PM

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Think about getting Deandre Ayton production for basically the 26th pick. Wow.

Can?t be mad about that! Curious to see who we find to fill out the bench now too. Deal came out of left field.

BPo001 · 06-15-2022, 08:26 PM

I thought you can?t trade 1st round picks in consecutive years though, so how does that work? Do we have to draft a player for Houston before the trade goes through? Isn?t Wood due for a pretty large extension?

DevinHarriswillstart · 06-15-2022, 08:39 PM

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I thought you can?t trade 1st round picks in consecutive years though, so how does that work? Do we have to draft a player for Houston before the trade goes through? Isn?t Wood due for a pretty large extension?

Trade probably doesn't go through till draft night.

Zeus · 06-15-2022, 09:06 PM

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I thought you can?t trade 1st round picks in consecutive years though, so how does that work? Do we have to draft a player for Houston before the trade goes through? Isn?t Wood due for a pretty large extension?

Yes and Yes but who cares on contract. We got him and if he plays well then more luxury tax

DevinHarriswillstart · 06-15-2022, 09:42 PM

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Yes and Yes but who cares on contract. We got him and if he plays well then more luxury tax

He is eligible for a 77/4 extension 6 months after the trade. No brainer if he plays well.

Thespiralgoeson · 06-15-2022, 09:02 PM

FUCK YES! Offseason is off to one hell of a start.

BPo001 · 06-15-2022, 09:38 PM

I was just looking at mock drafts today to read about prospects who might be available around the 26th pick. Now I?m watching C Wood highlights. Hell of a move! Can?t wait to see what other moves we make this offseason.

JustJay · 06-15-2022, 09:50 PM

In: Wood
Out: 26th pick, Boban Marjanovic, Marquese Chriss, Trey Burke and Sterling Brown

Nothing too significant lost either. All expiring.

BPo001 · 06-15-2022, 10:03 PM

A starting caliber center on an expiring contract for a bunch of bench guys and the 26th pick. Nice work, Nico.

SMC0007 · 06-16-2022, 07:43 AM

Next ideal move would be based around THJ, DP to try and get a 2 way sizeable SG/SF who has handles to mix up the attack on offense. Wishful thinking but we still have too many guys who can't dribble.

BPo001 · 06-16-2022, 08:15 AM

Marc Stein: Theo Pinson will now be strongly expected to stay in Dallas after the Mavericks complete the Christian Wood trade and open up some unforeseen roster room, league sources say. ? via Twitter TheSteinLine

Tim MacMahon: Mavs have three priorities entering free agency: 1) Re-sign Jalen Brunson, 2) add a wing who can be part of the playoff rotation, 3) re-sign Theo Pinson, who is no longer eligible for a two-way deal. ? via Twitter espn_macmahon

SMC0007 · 06-16-2022, 08:35 AM

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Marc Stein: Theo Pinson will now be strongly expected to stay in Dallas after the Mavericks complete the Christian Wood trade and open up some unforeseen roster room, league sources say. ? via Twitter TheSteinLine

Tim MacMahon: Mavs have three priorities entering free agency: 1) Re-sign Jalen Brunson, 2) add a wing who can be part of the playoff rotation, 3) re-sign Theo Pinson, who is no longer eligible for a two-way deal. ? via Twitter espn_macmahon

1&2 are no brainers. Getting #2 done is the hars part. THJ isn't that guy. Neither is Dodo or Bullock. They're solid niche players but none can dribble.

tap2390 · 06-16-2022, 08:59 AM

Updated wish list:

1) Move Powell (maybe to Nets with their trade exception)

2) Sign low-cost wing towards end of free agency (maybe with a 1 year "prove it" deal): Gary Harris; Joe Ingles; Jeremy Lamb; Taurean Prince; Derrick Jones Jr.; Kent Bazemore; Otto Porter Jr.; Lance Stephenson, Danuel House etc.

3) Try to buy a 2nd round pick to take whatever big drops; we have Wood, but we still need an enforcer

Simon2 · 06-16-2022, 09:22 AM

Wood is a fantastic move. For some reason, his face looks like Scottie Pippen to me. Next move should be to lock up Brunson. Can some explain what they can do next salarywise? Aside from TPE, how much can they afford? Could they go for a Lavine?

BPo001 · 06-16-2022, 09:53 AM

Any wing players that we can absorb with the TPE?

rimrocker · 06-16-2022, 10:13 AM

I still say we should try to sign Hartenstein even though we have Wood.
Hartenstein gives us a true big as Maxi and Wood (supposedly) struggle with true bigs.
A rotation of Wood/Maxi/Hartenstein would solidify our frontcourt imo.

Then make some deal surrounding Green/Powell/THJ/Future Pick (if needed) to add another wing to the rotation.

Simon2 · 06-16-2022, 11:20 AM

I like the Hartenstein idea. He doesn?t seem to be too expensive too. How about a front court veteran like Ibaka?

rimrocker · 06-16-2022, 12:21 PM

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I like the Hartenstein idea. He doesn?t seem to be too expensive too. How about a front court veteran like Ibaka?

Yeah, guys like Ibaka, Mcgee, Biyombo and similar style players do make some since to take on the WCS role as you and DHWS suggest, but I just think Hartenstein could be the steal of FA as he provides a presence in the paint and has the skills to be a high minutes guy.
Hart reminds me of a bigger and better version of LaFrentz.

We do need a starting caliber wing though, and my dream scenario would be to re-sign Brunson, sign Hartenstein, sign Dragic for min, and trade THJ/Green/Future Pick for Grant.

Luka/Dinwiddie
Brunson/Dragic/Frank
DFS/Bullock/Pinson
Grant/Maxi/Betans
Wood/Hartenstein/Powell

3 headed monster guards - Luka/Brunson/Dinwiddie
3 headed monster wings - Grant/DFS/Bullock
3 headed monster PF/C - Wood/Hart/Maxi

BPo001 · 06-16-2022, 12:58 PM

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Originally Posted by rimrocker

Yeah, guys like Ibaka, Mcgee, Biyombo and similar style players do make some since to take on the WCS role as you and DHWS suggest, but I just think Hartenstein could be the steal of FA as he provides a presence in the paint and has the skills to be a high minutes guy.
Hart reminds me of a bigger and better version of LaFrentz.

We do need a starting caliber wing though, and my dream scenario would be to re-sign Brunson, sign Hartenstein, sign Dragic for min, and trade THJ/Green/Future Pick for Grant.

Luka/Dinwiddie
Brunson/Dragic/Frank
DFS/Bullock/Pinson
Grant/Maxi/Betans
Wood/Hartenstein/Powell

3 headed monster guards - Luka/Brunson/Dinwiddie
3 headed monster wings - Grant/DFS/Bullock
3 headed monster PF/C - Wood/Hart/Maxi

Yes, please.

DevinHarriswillstart · 06-16-2022, 11:23 AM

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Originally Posted by rimrocker

I still say we should try to sign Hartenstein even though we have Wood.
Hartenstein gives us a true big as Maxi and Wood (supposedly) struggle with true bigs.
A rotation of Wood/Maxi/Hartenstein would solidify our frontcourt imo.

Then make some deal surrounding Green/Powell/THJ/Future Pick (if needed) to add another wing to the rotation.

I agree about adding another big, but Hartenstein makes a lot less sense now. We just need a big guy that can handle the other bigs in the league for limited minutes.

MFFL · 06-16-2022, 09:24 PM

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Originally Posted by BPo001

Any wing players that we can absorb with the TPE?

I sincerely doubt if we use it. We're already deep into luxury tax money (assuming we sign Brunson) so that's a lot to ask

SMC0007 · 06-16-2022, 03:06 PM

Javale McGee could be a good get as a back up and spot starter. He showed the ability to be a versatile defender inside and out.

EricaLubarsky · 06-16-2022, 04:31 PM

Mavs contracts (11)
Doncic - 35.7
THJ - 19
SD - 18
Bertans - 16
Wood - 14
DFS - 12
Powell - 12
Bullock - 10
Kleber - 9
Green - 3
Frank - 2
??free agents (2)?-
Brunson, Pinson

Depth chart
Wood/Powell/Kleber
DFS/ ??? / Bertans
Bullock/ ??? / Green
THJ/ SD / ???
Doncic/???/Frank

12 guys and no glaring holes if we re-sign Brunson. 11 guys and only two real playmakers if Brunson goes.

SMC0007 · 06-16-2022, 05:02 PM

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Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

Mavs contracts (11)
Doncic - 35.7
THJ - 19
SD - 18
Bertans - 16
Wood - 14
DFS - 12
Powell - 12
Bullock - 10
Kleber - 9
Green - 3
Frank - 2
??free agents (2)?-
Brunson, Pinson

Depth chart
Wood/Powell/Kleber
DFS/ ??? / Bertans
Bullock/ ??? / Green
THJ/ SD / ???
Doncic/???/Frank

12 guys and no glaring holes if we re-sign Brunson. 11 guys and only two real playmakers if Brunson goes.

The glaring hole is still no multi-tool 2 way wing. Yea JB is great but he can't play defense well and doesn't have size. No one else can even remotely dribble.

It's still an upgrade with the addition if Wood and having THJ back but I'm hopeful that we aren't done.

DevinHarriswillstart · 06-16-2022, 05:21 PM

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Originally Posted by SMC0007

The glaring hole is still no multi-tool 2 way wing. Yea JB is great but he can't play defense well and doesn't have size. No one else can even remotely dribble.

It's still an upgrade with the addition if Wood and having THJ back but I'm hopeful that we aren't done.

Who did you have in mind for this extra wing? Wood is a pretty good ball handler so that somewhat helps, but I agree to an extra wing. Gotta get rid of THJ though or that wing won't get any minutes.

SMC0007 · 06-21-2022, 05:57 PM

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Who did you have in mind for this extra wing? Wood is a pretty good ball handler so that somewhat helps, but I agree to an extra wing. Gotta get rid of THJ though or that wing won't get any minutes.

Without much research.

Oladipo
Take a flyer on T Evans or TJ Warren
Kyle Anderson
Nic Batum

DevinHarriswillstart · 06-21-2022, 06:45 PM

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Originally Posted by SMC0007

Without much research.

Oladipo
Take a flyer on T Evans or TJ Warren
Kyle Anderson
Nic Batum

Wouldn't mind giving a look at Lance Stephenson too. He did pretty well for the Pacers.

liqwidhalo · 06-16-2022, 05:40 PM

What about Tyreke Evans? Is he available?

JustJay · 06-16-2022, 08:03 PM

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What about Tyreke Evans? Is he available?

Hasn't played in the NBA since 18/19.

DevinHarriswillstart · 06-16-2022, 09:54 PM

GS is up handily on Boston. If they win it convincingly, then I'm 100% convinced that GS was the only team better than us this season. So getting Wood and THJ back already puts us at the very top. I know the West won't be stagnant, but there is little reason to make big changes.

Thespiralgoeson · 06-16-2022, 10:21 PM

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GS is up handily on Boston. If they win it convincingly, then I'm 100% convinced that GS was the only team better than us this season. So getting Wood and THJ back already puts us at the very top. I know the West won't be stagnant, but there is little reason to make big changes.

Lets go through this year's teams-

Suns
Grizzlies
GSW
Mavs
Jazz
Nuggets
Wolves
Pelicans

Suns I think are only going to get worse. This year was their last, best chance for a title and they blew it. Ayton is probably gone and CP3 is another year older. Grizzlies, good team but I do think the Mavs are better. Jazz- they're probably going to blow it up. Gobert is almost certainly gone. Nuggets are interesting. A fully healthy Nuggets team could get back to making noise in the playoffs, but they still don't scare me that much. Wolves, meh. Pelicans- now here's where it gets really interesting. If Zion is healthy and locked in, they could be a real contender. But is Zion rarely healthy, and it seems like he really doesn't want to be there, so who knows. A fully healthy Clippers team is also very tough, but again, when are they ever healthy?

So I agree. As it is, the Warriors are the only team that I would say are unequivocally better than the Mavs. But the Warriors are indeed loaded, and other teams will be making moves too, so hopefully we're not done making moves either. Gotta see if we can turn Powell's expiring, MLE, and maybe THJ into a two-way wing and a shot blocker off the bench.