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LSMF · 10-15-2014, 02:25 PM

I could see why we cut Ledo. It just sucks though because he's really starting to improve. Same thing with Mekel. Tough decisions are coming up for RC.

EricaLubarsky · 10-15-2014, 03:49 PM

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Originally Posted by bunkmoreland

Would someone give us a 2nd rounder for Ledo?

I like how you think.

dude1394 · 10-15-2014, 03:59 PM

Ledo is going to make the team IMO. I still think he will be solid by end of year.

DevinHarriswillstart · 10-15-2014, 04:43 PM

I think Sarge will be cut. We shall see.

BGMaverick9 · 10-15-2014, 10:06 PM

http://www.mavsoutsider.com/2014/10/...icks-final-15/

mavs777 · 10-16-2014, 01:57 PM

If Charlie V makes the team over anybody but Mekel that would be incredibly stupid.

EricaLubarsky · 10-16-2014, 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

I think Sarge will be cut. We shall see.

More and more I'm coming down to that. BG/Fish made the case and it makes sense. Sarge is a true center and not just 6-fouls, but Charlie is the same size so could potentially be our 4th center for the sake of fouling. Charlie doesn't bring the defense, rebounding, or shot-blocking, but he can potentially be a reserve shooter while covering some 4 if we really need that.

I forget who is was on MOR, who laid out Charlie's potential role, but I liked it. The comparison to Cardinal was awful, because Cardinal was also an elite defender. Walt Williams is probably a better analogue. Still, I like the idea of having a guy who is always ready to roll, scrapping and shooting threes when other guys get tired legs.

DevinHarriswillstart · 10-16-2014, 02:43 PM

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Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

More and more I'm coming down to that. BG/Fish made the case and it makes sense. Sarge is a true center and not just 6-fouls, but Charlie is the same size so could potentially be our 4th center for the sake of fouling. Charlie doesn't bring the defense, rebounding, or shot-blocking, but he can potentially be a reserve shooter while covering some 4 if we really need that.

I forget who is was on MOR, who laid out Charlie's potential role, but I liked it. The comparison to Cardinal was awful, because Cardinal was also an elite defender. Walt Williams is probably a better analogue. Still, I like the idea of having a guy who is always ready to roll, scrapping and shooting threes when other guys get tired legs.

I was thinking more Tim Thomas. Too bad his personal issues prevented him from playing a significant role here.

jamaljasonandjimmy · 10-16-2014, 04:13 PM

If I was James and got sent down to the d's I wouldn't care because I would actually get to play and probably start.

DGM · 10-16-2014, 04:19 PM

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Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

Mekel is in the same boat. He's insurance for a very weak PG position-- there, I said it. Harris is probably our best player, but he's limited offensively and is only good for 15-25mpg. Felton is already injured and doesn't have a great track record. Nelson is small and has sofar been a little inconsistent. One injury and plus one guy being off and we'd need Mekel.

If we had to cut a guy, I'd say Ledo. He's young and developing, but with Ellis/Harris manning the SG position, and a few guys able to take over (Jefferson, Crowder, Nelson, or Felton), he's the most expendable.

We need Mekel and Sarge on the team. Mekel is a better player this year. He is steady and confident and can run the team. If Chandler misses games due to injury we will be thankful for Sarge.

rimrocker · 10-16-2014, 10:39 PM

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Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

The comparison to Cardinal was awful, because Cardinal was also an elite defender.

The comparison to Cardinal wasn't regarding skillset. Cardinal was an insurance/situational only player and that is the only role I see CV filling on this team opposed to a regular rotation player.
Mekel and Ledo are in development roles which is a low priority for this team right now imo.

LonghornDub · 10-17-2014, 01:02 AM

Marc Spears reports that the Mavs are trying to trade Mekel and Sarge. They want to leave one roster spot open:

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/sources...053652824.html

G-Man · 10-17-2014, 01:53 AM

Of the guys on the bubble:

I think Ledo is the least likely to get minutes this year, but he is so young and raw, I'd hate to lose him in case he develops...some other team is likely to take a flier on him. So I vote to keep him.

Mekel, on the other hand, is a real point guard who can run an NBA offense, and with Felton already injured, I think we need a spare who can run the plays. But I guess in a pinch, after Nelson and Harris, we can always move Ellis over to the PG spot. But Rick wants him as a pure 2, so I think Mekel sticks.

As for Sarge, he showed me some real growth in the summer league, even though I have seen little from him in the pre-season. What I like about him is the size and muscle. Last year we got the muscle from Blair, even without the size. Now we are depending on Greg Smith. Reminds me of M'benga. I had high hopes for Smith, but he can't take a breath without drawing a foul, and that makes him pretty useless. James appears to be fundamentally sound. The main reason I'd cut him is if I believed he'd end up with the Legends and we could bring him back if Villanueva proves to be a training camp wonder.

None of those 3 guys sees anything but garbage time unless we have severe injury problems. But Villanueva, because he is a true stretch 4, and no one else we have besides Dirk and Parsons who plays the 4 can hit a 3 pointer, he could actually earn minutes in the rotation. Because he has been in such bad situations, its hard to know what he can do in a good one. His rep is as an awful defender, but when you are at the far end of the bench on a bad team, you rarely even play meaningful minutes...its all garbage all the time...pretty hard to put in max effort, when the easy thing is to just hang out and shoot 3's.

So my vote is to keep Charlie and cut Sarge. Hopefully he'll still be around if disaster strikes.

spreedom · 10-17-2014, 08:27 AM

Yahoo! Sports is reporting the Mavs are shopping both Gal and Sarge in hopes of freeing up 1-2 roster spots. The article says that they're ultimately hoping to go into the season with those roster spots open but I'd assume CV gets one of them. Personally, I'm hoping Doron Lamb can get the other one but that's a longshot at this point.

Kante · 10-19-2014, 06:12 AM

Watching him closely, i hope he does not make the team over Mekel. Such a poor defender, shot hunting at its worst sometimes, wow...

ffballer · 10-19-2014, 12:02 PM

right now id cut charlie v, id probably keep ledo and mekel, charlie is a good offensive player but he cant play defense not even to save his life

DGM · 10-19-2014, 02:09 PM

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Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

Wait are we criticizing Wright for lack of rebounding, defense, and/or interior presence in a thread about Charlie V?

I am seeing something different in Wright. That those pounds of muscle that he added are keeping him from being pushed around. Hopefully we will see some benefit in his rebounding. An improved Wright can be a season changer for the Mavs this year. I may have given up on him as an inside player too soon.

dude1394 · 10-19-2014, 02:32 PM

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Originally Posted by ffballer

right now id cut charlie v, id probably keep ledo and mekel, charlie is a good offensive player but he cant play defense not even to save his life

Why do you have to cut Charlie v to keep ledo and Mekel.

I certainly saw nothing last night from Ivan, lamb, griffin.

Sarge is gone unless they decide to cut Greg smith which I doubt ( although he has been pretty stinky out there.)

spreedom · 10-19-2014, 02:40 PM

Unless last night was really a chance to showcase Mekel, I am starting to lean towards wanting the Mavs to cut bait on Ledo if CV makes the team.

dude1394 · 10-19-2014, 02:47 PM

The problem with mekel is Felton. If felton were not on the team mekel would be a no brainier.

But I have to assume ( and probably rightly so ) that the Mavs think Felton will be much more useful than mekel.

DevinHarriswillstart · 10-19-2014, 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by dude1394

The problem with mekel is Felton. If felton were not on the team mekel would be a no brainier.

But I have to assume ( and probably rightly so ) that the Mavs think Felton will be much more useful than mekel.

Too bad it's too expensive to cut Felton.

rimrocker · 10-19-2014, 07:21 PM

Wonder if Indy would consider a trade involving Mihinmi and Felton along with one of our young bigs (Smith or Sarge) and a 2nd rounder.

spreedom · 10-19-2014, 07:43 PM

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Originally Posted by rimrocker

Wonder if Indy would consider a trade involving Mihinmi and Felton along with one of our young bigs (Smith or Sarge) and a 2nd rounder.

I seriously doubt it... Mahinmi is probably the best backup center in the league.

rimrocker · 10-19-2014, 09:35 PM

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I seriously doubt it... Mahinmi is probably the best backup center in the league.

Yeah, we probably had one of the best center situations ever in 2011 with Chandler/Haywood/Mihinmi.
I don't feel as comfortable with Chandler/Wright/Smith/Sarge. I love Wright in certain situations but we're in deep crap if Chandler ever goes down for any length of time.

quietsavant · 10-25-2014, 02:07 PM

Per Timmy Mac: Mavs informing guys of cuts today. Charlie Villanueva made the team, per source.

quietsavant · 10-25-2014, 02:21 PM

Looks like Bernard James was the cut. Changed his Twitter bio from Dallas Mavs center.

LonghornDub · 10-25-2014, 03:28 PM

So they kept Mekel. Huh.

DGM · 10-25-2014, 04:34 PM

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Originally Posted by LonghornDub

So they kept Mekel. Huh.

Sarge has guaranteed money. Hopefully he will go to Frisco and be ready when called upon. It's a long season. It would be nice to have him in reserve.

DGM · 10-25-2014, 04:45 PM

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Originally Posted by LonghornDub

So they kept Mekel. Huh.

Could not cut Gal or Ledo. They would be claimed quickly. Hopefully all of the guys will land in Frisco.

dude1394 · 10-25-2014, 05:01 PM

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Originally Posted by LonghornDub

So they kept Mekel. Huh.

Maybe just for a while however until Felton comes back. Don't the Mavs want to have one open spot?

My bad, looks like sarge was number 15.

Edit again... This does get them to 15. So imo mekel will be gone.

LonghornDub · 10-25-2014, 05:47 PM

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Originally Posted by DGM

Could not cut Gal or Ledo. They would be claimed quickly. Hopefully all of the guys will land in Frisco.

I think you misunderstand. I wasn't suggesting that they should cut Mekel with the hopes of bringing him back on board later. I was thinking they might cut bait on him altogether. As in, see ya later.

Of course, I'll be glad if this works out and he finally turns into something.

NeedlesKane · 10-25-2014, 07:07 PM

I gotta say that the starters all come before anyone else on this team. That's a given. Then we have some added depth with Devin Harris, Al-Farouq Aminu, and Brandan Wright. The other 7 guys really are not going to be as important. I don't expect a whole lot from Raymond Felton, Gal Mekel, Ricky Ledo, Richard Jefferson, Jae Crowder, Charlie Villanueva, and Greg Smith. If any of them show up on a regular basis that'll be a nice bonus for this team.

BPo001 · 10-25-2014, 07:24 PM

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I gotta say that the starters all come before anyone else on this team. That's a given. Then we have some added depth with Devin Harris, Al-Farouq Aminu, and Brandan Wright. The other 7 guys really are not going to be as important. I don't expect a whole lot from Raymond Felton, Gal Mekel, Ricky Ledo, Richard Jefferson, Jae Crowder, Charlie Villanueva, and Greg Smith. If any of them show up on a regular basis that'll be a nice bonus for this team.

I'm pretty sure RJ, Crowder, and possibly Smith will get pretty consistent burn. Even Felton when he comes back from injury will probably get a chance to earn some minutes.

LonghornDub · 10-26-2014, 12:14 AM

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Originally Posted by NeedlesKane

I gotta say that the starters all come before anyone else on this team. That's a given. Then we have some added depth with Devin Harris, Al-Farouq Aminu, and Brandan Wright. The other 7 guys really are not going to be as important. I don't expect a whole lot from Raymond Felton, Gal Mekel, Ricky Ledo, Richard Jefferson, Jae Crowder, Charlie Villanueva, and Greg Smith. If any of them show up on a regular basis that'll be a nice bonus for this team.

Jefferson is going to be a very important part of the team.

spreedom · 10-26-2014, 08:24 AM

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Originally Posted by NeedlesKane

I gotta say that the starters all come before anyone else on this team. That's a given. Then we have some added depth with Devin Harris, Al-Farouq Aminu, and Brandan Wright. The other 7 guys really are not going to be as important. I don't expect a whole lot from Raymond Felton, Gal Mekel, Ricky Ledo, Richard Jefferson, Jae Crowder, Charlie Villanueva, and Greg Smith. If any of them show up on a regular basis that'll be a nice bonus for this team.

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Jefferson is going to be a very important part of the team.

Yup... I can very easily see him being the 7th or 8th man, and he should be playing 10-15+ minutes every single game unless Carlisle is resting him during a blowout.

DGM · 10-26-2014, 09:50 AM

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Originally Posted by BPo001

I'm pretty sure RJ, Crowder, and possibly Smith will get pretty consistent burn. Even Felton when he comes back from injury will probably get a chance to earn some minutes.

Felton could also be a potential trade chip. A contending team loses a point guard to injury and an experienced guy like Felton becomes valuable. Mavs have the luxury of trading him (and dumping his salary) because of the development of Mekel.

G-Man · 10-27-2014, 11:42 AM

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Originally Posted by DGM

Felton could also be a potential trade chip. A contending team loses a point guard to injury and an experienced guy like Felton becomes valuable. Mavs have the luxury of trading him (and dumping his salary) because of the development of Mekel.

So in other words, he becomes an ace in the hole...a card we play later for a draft pick or something we can use.

I'm good with this decision, because of all the guys we could cut, Sarge is the least likely to be picked up. So he can play in Frisco, and if Charlie V flops or for some reason we feel we really need to play him, he could be resigned and someone else cut. With Felton out for maybe a month, I think we need Mekel as a PG insurance policy.

sig · 10-27-2014, 03:43 PM

I'm glad they kept Ledo. I think the kid has a lot of upside and a lot more than Mekel. I think a team as vet deep as the Mavs have the luxury to keep a player with upside like him around like the spurs are doing with Joseph.

quietsavant · 12-29-2014, 09:43 PM

[QUOTE=spreedom;1356466]Villanueva's a turd that will almost certainly get flushed before the start of the regular season.[/QUOTE]

I love bumping threads like this. lol

Samurai · 12-29-2014, 10:15 PM

Only proves the old Dirty Harry adage. Opinions are like, er, ...navels.