Poll: If you want to blame someone, who do you blame? - Dallas-Mavs.com Forums

kg_veteran · 07-17-2003, 10:25 AM

It's very unclear at this point who's doing what in the Mavericks front office. If you want to blame someone for this offseason, who do you personally blame? Vote.

MavsFanFinley · 07-17-2003, 10:36 AM

I voted Cuban. While Nelson needs to get off his butt and put forth some more effort, it's become clear that Cuban thinks himself a GM and is mixing it up where he really shouldn't.

kg_veteran · 07-17-2003, 11:00 AM

Cuban leads by a vote early.

Simon2 · 07-17-2003, 11:02 AM

Its seems like there's a lot of blame to go around. I think the blame should be shared.

Blonde Bomber · 07-17-2003, 11:13 AM

no matter who is to blame. It all ends up back with the owner, Cuban. If it was mostly Nellies fault because he would rather sit on his butt in Maui then be out talking personally with FA's then it should have been Cuban to tell him to do that.

But, I think it all comes down to Cuban and his ego. He thinks he is the reason that most players want to play here and he can just fly down to...ohh lets say Miami and just let it be known that the Mavs are interested and that player...ohh...lets say someone like Mourning would just kill to come play here.

Wrong...it takes more that some flat screens and ps2's to get people to want to come here. They want to see the coach actually show interest because that's the person that the players deals with everyday. They want Dirk or Finley or a Nash to call and tell them that they need them here. Why do you think Mourning changed his mind in the last minute, I can tell you that Kidd played a big part in that, not because his bleeding kidney doctor happens to be in NY, please that's a horrible reason.

I hope for the Mavs sake in the future, that they seriously take a different approach next season or we may have to go though this again. And the only way that were able to improve the team is through trade where they players won't have a choice.

uberfan · 07-17-2003, 11:26 AM

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Originally posted by: MavsFanFinley
I voted Cuban. While Nelson needs to get off his butt and put forth some more effort, it's become clear that Cuban thinks himself a GM and is mixing it up where he really shouldn't.

It is becoming apparent that Nellie is Maui because that is where Cuban wants him to be, Cuban wanted to run the offseason. OK, he has. Now that he is messed up he wants to blame agents and players.

Look days before Cuban received the final phone call from Zo everyone on this board knew or should have known that Kidd/Mourning were a package deal, why didn't Cuban realize this and plan accordingly.

I for one just don't think Malone addresses our primary needs on this roster (still--as has been the case for quite some time--a 3 & 5), but do you tell Malone "our money is all spent" ? Wouldn't it make more sense to say something like, "Hey Karl, we need to take care of the C spot first, and then let's talk, OK?"

Malone still could have gone to LALA, but maybe it would have taken them more than $1.5 to get it done.

Heck, if you didn't burn the bridge with Malone you could have told him before the 16th, "Karl we think we have the C spot taken care of for the MLE, but if we can talk about the LLE for now, we sure want to talk to you and see if we can't get something worked out."

PS: For the record, let me point out that I am and have been a supporting of Cuban through out all the other things that seem to revolve around him, I just think he blew this time and should take the responsibility for it.

kg_veteran · 07-17-2003, 11:54 AM

Cuban pulling out to a healthy lead...

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It is becoming apparent that Nellie is Maui because that is where Cuban wants him to be, Cuban wanted to run the offseason. OK, he has. Now that he is messed up he wants to blame agents and players.

Another interesting question: Have you ever heard Cuban accept responsibility for a perceived screw-up by the Mavericks organization? Or just spin control jargon?

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Look days before Cuban received the final phone call from Zo everyone on this board knew or should have known that Kidd/Mourning were a package deal, why didn't Cuban realize this and plan accordingly.

This is a very good point. It was clear for at least a week prior to 7-16-03 that Kidd and Mourning were a package deal. So why would Cuban think he had Mourning nailed down when he didn't have Kidd nailed down? His comments smell more and more like excuses by the minute. Cuban should have hedged his bets, and he didn't.

foglemann · 07-17-2003, 12:39 PM

I vote for Nellie, if he actually cared what team he would have next season and how he could put that team together should be his problem, not Cuban. But Cuban has turned into the Mavericks 'talking head' and seems to be doing all of the work behind the scenes, or at least run it. Cuban is out of bounds and should be punished. Nellie is to blame for not kicking Cuban's nerdy ass and for not doing his job. I can't believe that he has decided to do nothing and just watch other teams get better after our ineffectiveness at getting players to play for us. I'm suprised there is not more contriversy from our players. It makes me question whether things are going as good as some people say behind the scenes since all I hear is excuses.

uberfan · 07-17-2003, 01:21 PM

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Originally posted by: foglemann
I vote for Nellie, if he actually cared what team he would have next season and how he could put that team together should be his problem, not Cuban. But Cuban has turned into the Mavericks 'talking head' and seems to be doing all of the work behind the scenes, or at least run it. Cuban is out of bounds and should be punished. Nellie is to blame for not kicking Cuban's nerdy ass and for not doing his job. I can't believe that he has decided to do nothing and just watch other teams get better after our ineffectiveness at getting players to play for us. I'm suprised there is not more contriversy from our players. It makes me question whether things are going as good as some people say behind the scenes since all I hear is excuses.

OK--Here is Conspiracy Theory II

Things are as bad between Nellie and Cuban as some have speculated. Cuban gave Nellie a 3 year extension to coach but told him that he (MC) was ready to take over as GM.

Nellie, as many of us older people will do when a know-it-all youngster doesn't show proper respect,says to himself, "Alright, Marky. It is all yours. I still be around two more years to clean up your mess".

Mavs Rule · 07-17-2003, 01:48 PM

Interesting theory. If that is the case wouldn't you think that it would come out eventually so that Nellie can cover himself for another poor offseason? And if this went public, wouldn't it throw another brick in the wall between him and Mark, forcing Mark to eventually buy out his contract earlier than the three years left?

FilthyFinMavs · 07-17-2003, 01:49 PM

LMAO@ FIn being blamed for something. I know you were just putting Fin's name up there KG but i'm curious to who voted for Fin? No reasoning at all?

Rhylan · 07-17-2003, 02:42 PM

It's Nellie's responsibility as the GM and supposed #1 basketball mind to involve himself and show interest in the offseason.

If he doesn't want to be GM, then let's name someone else GM.

If Cuban wants to play Fantasy Basketball, then it's Nellie and Donnie's place to stand up to him and explain to him how he endangers his own chance at success by doing so. If Nellie or Donnie steps up and delivers on bringing in a good player that they all wanted, Mark's not gonna say no.

FineCubanCigar · 07-17-2003, 04:36 PM

All is well my friends all is well. Zo would have eaten up cap space, and is a HUGE risk considering the last 2 years and looking at sean elliot who had the same problem. Miller would be nice, he is also still available, Kandi was gift wrapped to the Wolves pratically before all this began. . . the fact is Miller is still out there and everybody else is questionable at best. The fact is Nelly built this team to shoot and run, not to play interior D, and fight for boards. We definately need a player like that, but it will cost us Nash, Finley, Dirk, or NVE to get anyone substancially better than Raef. Ride it out one more year unless a trade comes along that "knocks are socks off". . . afterall we have done better each and every postseason. Having that said, i say we trade Findawg or NVE sense they are ageing for a true elite center of the future, but thats just my opinion. Seeing Finley go would suck, but for the right player i could overlook it.

TwoDeep3 · 07-17-2003, 04:53 PM

It certainly couldn't be that LA is much more attractive than Dallas.

Or the fact that NJ is close to the Big Apple and is in the East where the livin' is easy and the cotton is high.

It has to be blamed on someone.

And I find that curious.

Because offers were made.

But players chose somewhere else.

But it has to be the team's management. Right?

I mean it couldn't be other factors that are beyond someone's control. That would actually mean there would be no one to blame.

And that would take all the fun out of bitching.

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kg_veteran · 07-17-2003, 09:57 PM

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It has to be blamed on someone.

Um, no, it doesn't if you don't want to. That's the beauty of this poll. It's entitled, "If you want to blame someone, who do you want to blame?" I thought I was very objective and allowed for the possibility that there might be no one to blame at all. Even if that's not my personal opinion.

one long blue sock · 07-17-2003, 09:58 PM

How bout all of the Mavericks front office for lack of aggression.

EVAN · 07-18-2003, 04:29 PM

How about the fact that Dallas was the laughing stock of the 90s? Players go to teams with a history of winning, unfortunately we dont even though this Dallas team is the best the franchise has ever seen in its history, if we continue to win we will eventually attract these players in my own opinion...

one long blue sock · 07-18-2003, 06:11 PM

Well usually when teams are rising to championship potential, they gain all their players, then develop them. That gives them enough cap space when they are signing for the first time, to get good players.

But the Mavs fell short of that goal.

Evilmav2 · 07-18-2003, 06:14 PM

I'll blame Alonzo Mourning for being a lying coward...

Drbio · 07-18-2003, 07:44 PM

I went with Nellie for not being here.

dude1394 · 07-18-2003, 07:54 PM

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