How long does Walker play team ball? - Dallas-Mavs.com Forums

Jiggly · 10-28-2003, 06:14 PM

Being a pessimist at heart, I don't trust the deal with AW. I've read a lot of garbage about the guy on Boston sites and if half of it is true, this guy might be more of a negative for the Mavs long term. If he starts hoisting bad shots, it takes away from good shooters like Dirk and Nash. I just hope we don't extend this guys contract until we have to. At least if he does turn bad on us, we can dump him after the season.

ReDIRKulous · 10-28-2003, 06:15 PM

He will quit playing team ball after he signs a new contract... but that won't be with the Mavs.

Max Power · 10-28-2003, 06:28 PM

I think the character of Finley, Nash, Dirk, and Jamison will rub off on Walker. But ReDIRKulous is correct - if he doesn't play team ball then he's out of here.

MavsFanatik33 · 10-28-2003, 06:32 PM

There's no way anybody will put up with him tryign to do everything himself, his comments have got me on his side right now, but if he starts jacking up threes we're all gonna be in trouble.

sike · 10-28-2003, 06:37 PM

Nellie will get him to do whatever he wants...just like NVE...just trust in Nellie...he'll only let you down sometime....ahhhh what a slogan.

kg_veteran · 10-28-2003, 06:41 PM

What leverage does Walker have?

He's going to play team ball as long as he's a Mav.

OutletPass · 10-28-2003, 06:42 PM

As long as he plays mostly with the starting five, I think they'll get him structured. If he ends up as the 6th man...watch out.

Lvubun1 · 10-28-2003, 06:44 PM

I don't think he plays team ball at all. Its not like Walker signed here, he was traded. Even when he was interviewed on TNT on Thursday he never said he would cut down the the 3s. We don't know Walker's motivation, is he here to win, is he here to put up stats, is here to look good so he can get a nice contract next year, we don't know. We knew NVE's motivation, he wanted to be here, so much so he left 12 million dollars on the table. He wanted to win, if he wanted to shoot he would have kept his 12 million and stayed in Denver. Jamison I believe we do his best to fit in, like Nick he comes from losing and just wants to win. Walker I'm not sure.

LRB · 10-28-2003, 06:45 PM

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Originally posted by: OutletPass
As long as he plays mostly with the starting five, I think they'll get him structured. If he ends up as the 6th man...watch out.

I agree. Walker witht the role to come off the bench firing shots is a very scary thought. Shades of NVE but with a much poorer FG% though.

Murphy3 · 10-28-2003, 06:46 PM

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Originally posted by: sike
Nellie will get him to do whatever he wants...just like NVE...just trust in Nellie...he'll only let you down sometime....ahhhh what a slogan.

That's what I'm scared of.
Nellie gave NVE the green light to do as he pleased. I can't say that that was a good idea. Hopefully Nellie will try and reel Walker in a bit.

If not,..heaven help the Mavs

Dirk41= konsesjonen · 10-28-2003, 06:47 PM

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Originally posted by: sike
Nellie will get him to do whatever he wants...just like NVE...just trust in Nellie...he'll only let you down sometime....ahhhh what a slogan.

Yes, Nellie got him firing away at will, go nellie. I don't trust nellie telling player's to STOP shooting as far as I can throw him....which isn't far.

kg_veteran · 10-28-2003, 06:47 PM

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Originally posted by: Lvubun1
I don't think he plays team ball at all. Its not like Walker signed here, he was traded. Even when he was interviewed on TNT on Thursday he never said he would cut down the the 3s. We don't know Walker's motivation, is he here to win, is he here to put up stats, is here to look good so he can get a nice contract next year, we don't know. We knew NVE's motivation, he wanted to be here, so much so he left 12 million dollars on the table. He wanted to win, if he wanted to shoot he would have kept his 12 million and stayed in Denver. Jamison I believe we do his best to fit in, like Nick he comes from losing and just wants to win. Walker I'm not sure.

I'm in the middle of something right now, so I can't really dig up the quote, but didn't Walker say that he was just going to do whatever Nelson wanted him to, and that it's all about trying to compete for a championship? I could have sworn he had a quote to that effect. Sure he could have been lying, but that at least gives us some indication as to what his motivation is...

Murphy3 · 10-28-2003, 06:50 PM

Yes, Walker has repeatedy referred to himself as a 'role' player on this mavs team

sike · 10-28-2003, 06:51 PM

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Originally posted by: Murphy3
Yes, Walker has repeatedy referred to himself as a 'role' player on this mavs team

still I trust Nellie....he'll get the guy in line....and we all know it!

arsenalth9 · 10-28-2003, 06:54 PM

Walker shouldn't have a problem...and i agree with mavsfanatik, we all know walker thinks he can shoot those 3s and we all know hes wrong

AdamAMMP · 10-28-2003, 06:55 PM

Best athlete in the DFW area: Myself

My stomach turned when I read that.

MavsFanatik33 · 10-28-2003, 06:57 PM

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Originally posted by: AdamAMMP
Best athlete in the DFW area: Myself

My stomach turned when I read that.

uh oh, he better not even start with the big head...

Fidel · 10-28-2003, 07:07 PM

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Originally posted by: Jiggly
Being a pessimist at heart, I don't trust the deal with AW. I've read a lot of garbage about the guy on Boston sites and if half of it is true, this guy might be more of a negative for the Mavs long term. If he starts hoisting bad shots, it takes away from good shooters like Dirk and Nash. I just hope we don't extend this guys contract until we have to. At least if he does turn bad on us, we can dump him after the season.

I see where you coming from. But Walker is only under contract for two more years which should make him very moveable. So I´m not scared at all. If he doesn´t behave he´ll be out of town quick. The Mavs are in a pretty good postion to keep him on a short leash IMO.

Dirkenstien · 10-28-2003, 07:57 PM

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Originally posted by: AdamAMMP
Best athlete in the DFW area: Myself

My stomach turned when I read that.

where did you read that?

Lvubun1 · 10-28-2003, 08:04 PM

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Originally posted by: kg_veteran

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Originally posted by: Lvubun1
I don't think he plays team ball at all. Its not like Walker signed here, he was traded. Even when he was interviewed on TNT on Thursday he never said he would cut down the the 3s. We don't know Walker's motivation, is he here to win, is he here to put up stats, is here to look good so he can get a nice contract next year, we don't know. We knew NVE's motivation, he wanted to be here, so much so he left 12 million dollars on the table. He wanted to win, if he wanted to shoot he would have kept his 12 million and stayed in Denver. Jamison I believe we do his best to fit in, like Nick he comes from losing and just wants to win. Walker I'm not sure.

I'm in the middle of something right now, so I can't really dig up the quote, but didn't Walker say that he was just going to do whatever Nelson wanted him to, and that it's all about trying to compete for a championship? I could have sworn he had a quote to that effect. Sure he could have been lying, but that at least gives us some indication as to what his motivation is...

He might have I just have a hard time believing him. Jamison I believe, Walker I just can't imagine how a guy who took 100 something more threes then anybody else in the league, almost as many as some teams will be able to reel it in. "Reeling" it in to Walker might mean only 7 attempts per game.

Speedy · 10-28-2003, 08:11 PM

This thread reminded me of a quote by Donnie that kg posted from a press conference thread. I had forgot about it until now.

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Originally posted by: kg_veteran
On the Ticket now...

Donnie:

Sees Antoine playing time at positions 1-4...

Sees Dirk at center at times. "Closing lineup" will be Big Three plus "Antoine squared". Dirk will have difficulty guarding "a couple of guys" (Shaq, Yao, Duncan?), but with zones and doubling, should be able to adjust.

Walker excited about playing for Nelson, with friend "Finsta" from Chicago.

Antoine will have creative freedom; won't "alter his game".

Antoinewill have creative freedom; won't "alter his game".

That quote scares the hell out of me.

TwoDeep3 · 10-28-2003, 08:12 PM

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Nellie gave NVE the green light to do as he pleased. I can't say that that was a good idea.

Gee, it was the free hand that Van Exel had which caused him to blossom as a Mav and garner the trade value that ultimately got us sveral players.

I guess his rep of being a slacker/'troublemaker before the Mavs was just a rumor.

Honestly, how anyone can look at Van Exel and his behavior and play on the court as anything but positive for the Mavs while with us and what he brought us because of both is beyond me.

Murphy3 · 10-28-2003, 08:13 PM

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Originally posted by: Jiggly
Being a pessimist at heart, I don't trust the deal with AW. I've read a lot of garbage about the guy on Boston sites and if half of it is true, this guy might be more of a negative for the Mavs long term. If he starts hoisting bad shots, it takes away from good shooters like Dirk and Nash. I just hope we don't extend this guys contract until we have to. At least if he does turn bad on us, we can dump him after the season

I trust Walker more than I do Nellie. It's up to Nellie to tell Walker to curb his game to fit the Mavs needs. If Walker does not do so, it's up to Nellie to put him on the bench.

My fear is that Nellie will be in love with having 5 scorers on the court at all times and wont' ask anyone to change their games.... he didn't do so with NVE..so, it scares me that he might not with Walker

Max Power · 10-28-2003, 08:25 PM

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Originally posted by: Murphy3

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Originally posted by: Jiggly
Being a pessimist at heart, I don't trust the deal with AW. I've read a lot of garbage about the guy on Boston sites and if half of it is true, this guy might be more of a negative for the Mavs long term. If he starts hoisting bad shots, it takes away from good shooters like Dirk and Nash. I just hope we don't extend this guys contract until we have to. At least if he does turn bad on us, we can dump him after the season

I trust Walker more than I do Nellie. It's up to Nellie to tell Walker to curb his game to fit the Mavs needs. If Walker does not do so, it's up to Nellie to put him on the bench.

My fear is that Nellie will be in love with having 5 scorers on the court at all times and wont' ask anyone to change their games.... he didn't do so with NVE..so, it scares me that he might not with Walker

Last year NVE was the 6th man - instant offense, the microwave, whatever you want to call it but his job was scoring and nothing else. Walker's job is supposedly different. And I can see Nellie reigning in Walker because he is the poorest shooter on the floor (maybe of all 10 players on the court).

Murphy3 · 10-28-2003, 08:30 PM

yeah, MP, NVE was the sixth man..but he was the sixth man in name only
sure, he started alot of games coming off the bench but he probably played most of his minutes with the big 3...

4cwebb · 10-28-2003, 08:44 PM

Something I haven't seen mentioned yet is that Walker had no one to pass to as a Celtic, other than Paul Pierce. He didn't have shooters on his team, so he probably thought he may as well shoot all of those shots. With the Mavs, though, it is much different. At most times he is out on the floor, he will be joined by at least two other players who have at one point in their respective careers been close to 20 points per game scorers. That should get Walker to think pass before firing up 8 threes per game.

Lvubun1 · 10-28-2003, 09:30 PM

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Originally posted by: 4cwebb
Something I haven't seen mentioned yet is that Walker had no one to pass to as a Celtic, other than Paul Pierce. He didn't have shooters on his team, so he probably thought he may as well shoot all of those shots. With the Mavs, though, it is much different. At most times he is out on the floor, he will be joined by at least two other players who have at one point in their respective careers been close to 20 points per game scorers. That should get Walker to think pass before firing up 8 threes per game.

I'm sorry but that doesn't fly with me. Their are alot of players who play with little talent, even less then Walker who don't take half the amount of shots he does. He is actually playing alongside a top 10 player not many guys can say that. And its not so much the amount of shots, its the KIND of shots which are 3s. If he was taking higher percentage shots I might give him a past, but not having alot of talent around you is no excuse for hoisting 3s at a record clip.

Lvubun1 · 10-28-2003, 09:46 PM

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Originally posted by: Speedy
This thread reminded me of a quote by Donnie that kg posted from a press conference thread. I had forgot about it until now.

Quote:

Originally posted by: kg_veteran
On the Ticket now...

Donnie:

Sees Antoine playing time at positions 1-4...

Sees Dirk at center at times. "Closing lineup" will be Big Three plus "Antoine squared". Dirk will have difficulty guarding "a couple of guys" (Shaq, Yao, Duncan?), but with zones and doubling, should be able to adjust.

Walker excited about playing for Nelson, with friend "Finsta" from Chicago.

Antoine will have creative freedom; won't "alter his game".

Antoinewill have creative freedom; won't "alter his game".

That quote scares the hell out of me.

What the hell is "creative freedom" he isn't a painter. If he was a painter he would paint a picture of Mona Lisa shooting a fade-away 3 with 4 defenders in her face.

dirno2000 · 10-28-2003, 09:47 PM

From the local rec to the NBA, good players pass to people they respect. Even AI plays differently in the All-Star game. Walker knows he's surrounded by talent. He'll be fine.

4cwebb · 10-28-2003, 10:49 PM

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Originally posted by: Lvubun1

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Originally posted by: 4cwebb
Something I haven't seen mentioned yet is that Walker had no one to pass to as a Celtic, other than Paul Pierce. He didn't have shooters on his team, so he probably thought he may as well shoot all of those shots. With the Mavs, though, it is much different. At most times he is out on the floor, he will be joined by at least two other players who have at one point in their respective careers been close to 20 points per game scorers. That should get Walker to think pass before firing up 8 threes per game.

I'm sorry but that doesn't fly with me. Their are alot of players who play with little talent, even less then Walker who don't take half the amount of shots he does. He is actually playing alongside a top 10 player not many guys can say that. And its not so much the amount of shots, its the KIND of shots which are 3s. If he was taking higher percentage shots I might give him a past, but not having alot of talent around you is no excuse for hoisting 3s at a record clip.

Consider also that Walker's coach did not discourage his hoisting of threes. On many other teams, Walker may have been benched for a period of time for shooting unwarranted threes. Also, note that the Celtics had a fair amount of success with Walker gunning threes in the previous two years.

As a Kings' fan, I wouldn't mind seeing Walker gunning threes, but I don't think Nelson will let it happen. Don't forget that he can easily turn to Jamison if Walker doesn't fall in line.

Jiggly · 10-29-2003, 07:56 AM

Actually, it seems like all of his coaches tried to get him to cuit down on the 3's and do more low post. They also tried to get him to go on a diet. Walker's numbers last night looked pretty good but I won't expect him to come close to the 5-6 treys. If he was supposed to be our point foreward, whats with 1 assist in 33 minutes. Looking at AW's career stats, he never seems to go to the line. That suggests that he has an aversion for the paint. He didn't have one ft last night. It wasn't a very good performance by anyone last night so I'll cut him some slack for now.

Max Power · 03-27-2004, 07:00 PM

bump

OutletPass · 03-27-2004, 07:12 PM

Oh, hell. It looks like the crowd is restless and the Fan is about to meet meet the shyte...

as Max said long ago, get out the torches...

and the pitchforks

Guessing that my watching buddy DIRNO 2000 was a bit wrong in saying:
"Walker knows he's surrounded by talent. He'll be fine. "

Mother of Mercy pray for our Mavs... [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif[/img]

MightyToine · 04-04-2004, 01:10 AM

Bumped for relevancy.....whatever that means. [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif[/img]

I think Walk played team ball tonight.....don't you?

PubaNWO · 04-04-2004, 01:11 AM

Walker has always played team ball for the Mavs.

He's never been selfish and taken shots whenever he wanted. He's not Paul Pierce.