Delk on the shelf. Good or Bad?

[Simon2]

Nellie says that Delk might be out a week or so. Is this good or bad?

Two good scenarios:

1. Howard or Jamison starts for the 3 position. Good for Howard to get minutes or good for Jamison to get more minutes.
2. Fortson or Bradley starts at center. This is good too since Dirk doesn't have to play center.

[bernardos70]

Ultimately it'll be good, because there'll be one less piece for Nelson to play small ball. That's not to say that he won't play small ball, but it'll be more difficult. Hopefully the team plays well during this time and he sees the advantage of playing a bigger lineup.

[grndmstr_c]

I like Delk, but in his absence we're pretty much guaranteed that Finley will be the starting SG, rather than starting SF. That, to me, is good, good, good.

[LRB]

Don't be surprised if Nellie starts Nash, Best, Finley, Walker, and Dirk if Delk is out too long.

[dude1394]

Bad... We can use another body in all of these blow-outs so that jamison can get off the court with the big 4.

[Evilmav2]

Good for now. Anything that tightens up our rotation and forces Big Don to play the Big Five for more minutes together is a postitive. Delk's superior defensive abilities, and cold-blooded shooting touch will be valuable assets later in the season, but for now I am happy that his absence facilitates a smaller Mavs rotation, and keeps one more unacclimated guy off of the court.

[Simon2]

Originally posted by: LRB
Don't be surprised if Nellie starts Nash, Best, Finley, Walker, and Dirk if Delk is out too long.

OMG! No! That would be like starting Nash and NVE. I don't think Nellie does this.

[ames7]

Nellie said before the season that he wouldn't play Best & Nash together but I don't really believe that it won't happen. Hopefully it won't for extended periods. I think it's good Delk's out though b/c it means Best will probably get more consistent minutes & maybe find his game. Plus, he should get completely healthy anyway, he's also got that other thigh thing from preseason. It's early, there's no reason for him to play hurt.

[arsenalth9]

I think it's good, i think a smaller rotation is better than a larger one, i mean he IS a good player, but i tihnk 7 people in a rotation or so is better and more beneficial.

[dude1394]

I think delk/stevie played some together last night. Not extened but some.

[LRB]

Originally posted by: dude1394
I think delk/stevie played some together last night. Not extened but some.

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Delk sat out the whole game last night. Do you mean Best/Nash? Nellie did play them together for several minutes last night.

[Chiwas]

"Good" is just to be shy.

G-R-E-A-T is better.

[Simon2]

Originally posted by: LRB

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Delk sat out the whole game last night. Do you mean Best/Nash? Nellie did play them together for several minutes last night.

I saw that. Glimpses of Nash and NVE. The Mavs went small ball with Nash, Best, Fin, Jamison and Walker. I'm not sure but they were killed on the boards at that point. Hope Nellie doesn't use that combination to often.

[LRB]

Originally posted by: Simon2

I saw that. Glimpses of Nash and NVE. The Mavs went small ball with Nash, Best, Fin, Jamison and Walker. I'm not sure but they were killed on the boards at that point. Hope Nellie doesn't use that combination to often.

I really think with our team that there is no need to use this lineup. I certainly don't want to see it. But I would be willing to bet you that we'll see it at least several times more this year.

[Simon2]

Originally posted by: LRB

I really think with our team that there is no need to use this lineup. I certainly don't want to see it. But I would be willing to bet you that we'll see it at least several times more this year.

I think you are right. I still don't understand the two pg fascination. More passers maybe? But at the cost of height?

[Rhylan]

Originally posted by: Simon2

I saw that. Glimpses of Nash and NVE. The Mavs went small ball with Nash, Best, Fin, Jamison and Walker. I'm not sure but they were killed on the boards at that point. Hope Nellie doesn't use that combination to often.

I thought the main reason Nellie went to this lineup for a stretch was because Armstrong/Davis/Wesley were running us ragged.

[LRB]

Originally posted by: Rhylan

I thought the main reason Nellie went to this lineup for a stretch was because Armstrong/Davis/Wesley were running us ragged.

Still I'd like to see Howard and Daniels get a chance if we need to defend small quick players. They're both quick and good defenders but bring much more height and better rebounding.

[dirno2000]

I think Howard and Daniels will continue to be the odd men out. Nellie hates playing rookies and with all the vets he has there's really no reason to. Hopefully with the increased playing time, Best will continue to improve.

[bernardos70]

Originally posted by: ames7
Nellie said before the season that he wouldn't play Best & Nash together but I don't really believe that it won't happen. Hopefully it won't for extended periods. I think it's good Delk's out though b/c it means Best will probably get more consistent minutes & maybe find his game. Plus, he should get completely healthy anyway, he's also got that other thigh thing from preseason. It's early, there's no reason for him to play hurt.

He already played them at the same time, for a limited time, but he did. I think it was last game too.

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[Max Power]

Originally posted by: ames7
Nellie said before the season that he wouldn't play Best & Nash together

I think Nellie played the two of them together to help Best out of his slump. Best could concentrate on playing defense and getting open shots without having to worry about running the offense too.

[MavKikiNYC]

Does Delk run the point well enough to make Best expendable?


Nets are looking for a veteran PG. Wonder if there's a possible deal.

[kg_veteran]

Originally posted by: MavKikiNYC
Does Delk run the point well enough to make Best expendable?


Nets are looking for a veteran PG. Wonder if there's a possible deal.

What do the Nets have that we want AND they're willing to give up?

[kingrex]

Nellie will try to put his best guys on the floor and force the other team to adjust to them. That's why NVE was played with Nash at the end of games. The same thing will happen here. If Delk is one of the best guys on this team for that particular game (and he was for at least 2 of our games) then he'll be in the line-up (as he should).

I agree that small ball is not always the best option, but more often than not Nellie makes the right line-up calls. Where we've been beat in past was because we just didn't have the personnel to match-up against the better teams.

So, in answer to this thread, it is bad for Delk to be out. It's always bad when one of your top players are out. The only good thing about it (and many of you have alluded to this) is that it allows others to step up and show what they've got.

[Murphy3]

Nellie will try to put his best guys on the floor and force the other team to adjust to them. That's why NVE was played with Nash at the end of games.

Apparently other teams did adjust...The Mavs +/- dropped significantly for the worse when NVE was on the court.

[Max Power]

Originally posted by: MavKikiNYC
Does Delk run the point well enough to make Best expendable?

Not that I've seen.

Nets are looking for a veteran PG. Wonder if there's a possible deal.

I don't see a deal.

[LRB]

Originally posted by: MavKikiNYC
Does Delk run the point well enough to make Best expendable?


Nets are looking for a veteran PG. Wonder if there's a possible deal.

Just out of curiosity, who were you thinking about getting from the Nets kiki?

[kingrex]

Originally posted by: Murphy3

Apparently other teams did adjust...The Mavs +/- dropped significantly for the worse when NVE was on the court.

The sad thing was in most of those games, having Nash and NVE was our best line-up. In many ways, that's why the Jamison trade became necessary because last year's team went about as far as it could. This year's team, I am getting convinced, is better than last year's squad, and can go much further in the playoffs.

[LRB]

Originally posted by: kingrex

The sad thing was in most of those games, having Nash and NVE was our best line-up. In many ways, that's why the Jamison trade became necessary because last year's team went about as far as it could. This year's team, I am getting convinced, is better than last year's squad, and can go much further in the playoffs.

Just remember Kingrex that this year's squad arguable has to be better than last years squad just to go as far as last years squad in the playoffs. The Lakers, Spurs, Kings, and TWolves have all added key people to supposedly make them stronger.

I agree in that we have the potential to be much better than last year's team and even have a better chance of advancing farther in the playoffs. However this team has a long ways to go in order to get to the point where that potential is realized. The really good news is that we have a long ways to go before the playoffs.

[FilthyFinMavs]

Originally posted by: dude1394
Bad... We can use another body in all of these blow-outs so that jamison can get off the court with the big 4.

What is wrong with closing out with Bradley, Najera, Daniels, Best, and Howard like we did ht eother night?

[NewMexiMav]

Back to the original question . . .

I think the Delk injury is a blessing in disguise that is going to allow this team to gel quicker.

Don't get me wrong, I like Delk and I think he will be valuable for us this year. But, I think he's a guy you can plug into the rotation at any time and he will generally play well, get his shots, and not be a defensive liability. The other new guys need to understand their roles and I think that will only come with more playing time together, which everyone will get a little more of while Delk's on the shelf.

Nellie always favors playing the high-power offensive guys and I think, because of that, Delk would be getting more minutes right now, especially if the offensive struggles displayed in Washington and Toronto resurfaced. Without Delk, Nellie has to go with a more conventional lineup, which in the long run will benefit everyone. Personally, I think Delk is a much more natural sixth man than AJ.

[Chiwas]

Excuse me, Delk, but the team plays better without you, way better.

Excuse me, Nelson, but this team has trashed all your 20 something years of theory in just a couple of games.

Long live Donnie-ball!

[LRB]

Originally posted by: FilthyFinMavs

What is wrong with closing out with Bradley, Najera, Daniels, Best, and Howard like we did ht eother night?

Except for the fact that Daniels missed the 3 for Chalupas, nothing. [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif[/img]

[kingrex]

That fact that the Mavs have played better since Delk was out has less to do with Delk being out as the Mavs finally "getting it".

Delk is an asset to this team with his ability to contribute both offensively and defensively. Should be a starter? That's another question. But don't mistake the Mavs recent success as attributable to Delk's being out.

[Chiwas]

The remake of the "NVE" movie.

Our pro and con posts look pretty the same than a year ago.

[FineCubanCigar]

Originally posted by: kingrex
That fact that the Mavs have played better since Delk was out has less to do with Delk being out as the Mavs finally "getting it".

Delk is an asset to this team with his ability to contribute both offensively and defensively. Should be a starter? That's another question. But don't mistake the Mavs recent success as attributable to Delk's being out.

i agree completely, i am of the school Delk shouldn't start, instead starting Fortson/Bradley and marching Delk, Jamison, Najera, Howard, and best off the bench as well as the other center who doesn't start . . . whatever happened to BOOTH?

[kingrex]

Last I saw booth was he was fighting for playing time in Seattle.

[Simon2]

It looks like the starting five with Fortson is doing better than the Delk starting five. The main reason I think Delk should come off the bench is that Best isn't playing that well. When Nash goes out and Best comes in, there's an obvious dropoff in production. I think Delk can continue the "drive and dish" strategy that Nash is so good at. Of course, Best needs to learn how to run the offense better coz the Mavs need him as well.

[Dirk Nowitzki]

Delk really is not a "Drive & Dish" type of gurad. He is a shoot first type guard that would be very valuable off of the bench. IMO, any time Dirk starts at center, Jamison should start. the most common starting lineups barring injury for the Mavs should be
Dirk
Walker
Jamison
Fin
Nash

or

Bradley
Dirk
Walker
Fin
Nash

And occasionaly
Fortson
Dirk
Walker
Fin
Nash

[Dirk Nowitzki]

I would rather see Najera start at the 3 & Fin at the 2 than to see Delk start at the 2 & Fin at the 3. I thought the purpouse of the Jamison trade was to keep Fin at the two. And when the Walker trade happened, I though for sure that their was no way fin would see more than a couple of minutes per game at the three.

[LRB]

Originally posted by: Dirk Nowitzki
I would rather see Najera start at the 3 & Fin at the 2 than to see Delk start at the 2 & Fin at the 3. I thought the purpouse of the Jamison trade was to keep Fin at the two. And when the Walker trade happened, I though for sure that their was no way fin would see more than a couple of minutes per game at the three.

Just remember with Nellie unless Bradley or Fortson were in the game, Eddie would be playing the 5 on D and not the 3. Walker would slide to the 3 and Dirk would be at the 4.