Dallas-Mavs.com Forums

Go Back   Dallas-Mavs.com Forums > Mavs / NBA > Around the NBA

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 11-21-2003, 11:36 PM   #1
Murphy3
Guru
 
Murphy3's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2001
Location: sport
Posts: 39,432
Murphy3 has a reputation beyond reputeMurphy3 has a reputation beyond reputeMurphy3 has a reputation beyond reputeMurphy3 has a reputation beyond reputeMurphy3 has a reputation beyond reputeMurphy3 has a reputation beyond reputeMurphy3 has a reputation beyond reputeMurphy3 has a reputation beyond reputeMurphy3 has a reputation beyond reputeMurphy3 has a reputation beyond reputeMurphy3 has a reputation beyond repute
Default Is it the player or the team?

Just a question. We always hear about how good of a passer Webber is and how good of a passer Divac is.

Well, with Webber out, Brad Miller has come in to take his minutes. Miller has never been a guy that's known for his ability to distribute the ball. His career average for assists stands at 1.9 currently. However, through 11 games with Sacramento this season, Miller is averaging 5.2 assists. Tonight, Miller currently has 7 assists with over half the third quarter left.

He appears destined for a triple double tonight unless the Kings are up so much that he ends up sitting the 4th.

Now, did Miller suddenly become a stud passer or does it have more to do with the system and the group of players that he's playing with? Peronally, I believe that it mostly has to do with the players and the system. Surely Miller didn't all of a sudden decide that he'd work his butt off on his passing and then come out and more than double his assist totals to this point in the season.

It's amazing, this guy is on my fantasy team and he is just flat out kicking some tail.

So, is it the player or not?

Could it at least somewhat apply to the other Kings' low post players as well if you do believe that it's the system and sorrounding teammates?
Murphy3 is offline   Reply With Quote
Sponsored Links
Old 11-22-2003, 12:30 AM   #2
Rhylan
Minister of Soul
 
Rhylan's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2001
Location: on the Mothership
Posts: 4,893
Rhylan has a reputation beyond reputeRhylan has a reputation beyond reputeRhylan has a reputation beyond reputeRhylan has a reputation beyond reputeRhylan has a reputation beyond reputeRhylan has a reputation beyond reputeRhylan has a reputation beyond reputeRhylan has a reputation beyond reputeRhylan has a reputation beyond reputeRhylan has a reputation beyond reputeRhylan has a reputation beyond repute
Default RE:Is it the player or the team?

Pete Carrill.
Rhylan is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-22-2003, 12:34 AM   #3
MavsFanFinley
Guru
 
MavsFanFinley's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2001
Location: California
Posts: 16,670
MavsFanFinley has a reputation beyond reputeMavsFanFinley has a reputation beyond reputeMavsFanFinley has a reputation beyond reputeMavsFanFinley has a reputation beyond reputeMavsFanFinley has a reputation beyond reputeMavsFanFinley has a reputation beyond reputeMavsFanFinley has a reputation beyond reputeMavsFanFinley has a reputation beyond reputeMavsFanFinley has a reputation beyond reputeMavsFanFinley has a reputation beyond reputeMavsFanFinley has a reputation beyond repute
Default RE: Is it the player or the team?

I've seen a couple of the Kings games and Miller is making some sweet passes. It's a combination, imo. The players are making cuts, setting screens and Miller is finding them at the right time.
__________________
MavsFanFinley is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-22-2003, 12:54 AM   #4
Murphy3
Guru
 
Murphy3's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2001
Location: sport
Posts: 39,432
Murphy3 has a reputation beyond reputeMurphy3 has a reputation beyond reputeMurphy3 has a reputation beyond reputeMurphy3 has a reputation beyond reputeMurphy3 has a reputation beyond reputeMurphy3 has a reputation beyond reputeMurphy3 has a reputation beyond reputeMurphy3 has a reputation beyond reputeMurphy3 has a reputation beyond reputeMurphy3 has a reputation beyond reputeMurphy3 has a reputation beyond repute
Default RE:Is it the player or the team?

Of course the answer is that it's both the player and the system. However, it's not that the Kings inside players are just sooo much better passers than any other low post men in the NBA. The Kings do so much cutting to the bucket that it makes it difficult for them not to be good passers.
Murphy3 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-22-2003, 01:18 AM   #5
dirno2000
Diamond Member
 
dirno2000's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2003
Location: Robot Hell, NJ
Posts: 9,574
dirno2000 has a reputation beyond reputedirno2000 has a reputation beyond reputedirno2000 has a reputation beyond reputedirno2000 has a reputation beyond reputedirno2000 has a reputation beyond reputedirno2000 has a reputation beyond reputedirno2000 has a reputation beyond reputedirno2000 has a reputation beyond reputedirno2000 has a reputation beyond reputedirno2000 has a reputation beyond reputedirno2000 has a reputation beyond repute
Default RE: Is it the player or the team?

I think you may be shortchanging their big men. The system allows them to showcase their abilities, but all three are good passers. Even before joining the Kings, Webber was around or above 4 assists per game. Valde has been up and down, but he too has had 4 assist years without the benefit of the system. Millers’ #'s have jumped this year, but I would imagine that had something to do with J O’Neil getting so many touches in Indy. In the off-season, Donnie talked about what a good passer he was dispite his relatively low assist #'s. Obviously he saw something while playing against or watching tapes of Miller.

The system helps, but I don't think you can just throw anyone into that system and expect the same results.
__________________
dirno2000 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-22-2003, 01:40 AM   #6
Murphy3
Guru
 
Murphy3's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2001
Location: sport
Posts: 39,432
Murphy3 has a reputation beyond reputeMurphy3 has a reputation beyond reputeMurphy3 has a reputation beyond reputeMurphy3 has a reputation beyond reputeMurphy3 has a reputation beyond reputeMurphy3 has a reputation beyond reputeMurphy3 has a reputation beyond reputeMurphy3 has a reputation beyond reputeMurphy3 has a reputation beyond reputeMurphy3 has a reputation beyond reputeMurphy3 has a reputation beyond repute
Default RE:Is it the player or the team?

I'm not short changing their big men. I never said that they weren't good passers. Actually, I said that it's a product of both the players and the system.

Yes, I know that their big men are good passers, but without the correct system and without scorers to pass to..it really doesn't matter how good of a passer you are.

Perhaps I could be short changing Miler. That's yet to be determined. But, I don't think I ever said anything negative about Webber or Divac.
Murphy3 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-22-2003, 01:48 AM   #7
dirno2000
Diamond Member
 
dirno2000's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2003
Location: Robot Hell, NJ
Posts: 9,574
dirno2000 has a reputation beyond reputedirno2000 has a reputation beyond reputedirno2000 has a reputation beyond reputedirno2000 has a reputation beyond reputedirno2000 has a reputation beyond reputedirno2000 has a reputation beyond reputedirno2000 has a reputation beyond reputedirno2000 has a reputation beyond reputedirno2000 has a reputation beyond reputedirno2000 has a reputation beyond reputedirno2000 has a reputation beyond repute
Default RE:Is it the player or the team?

Quote:
The Kings do so much cutting to the bucket that it makes it difficult for them not to be good passers.
Maybe I misinterpreted this statement. You seem to be saying that any trio of bigs that were dropped in that system could product the same results.

__________________
dirno2000 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-22-2003, 09:40 AM   #8
uberfan
Golden Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2002
Posts: 1,092
uberfan has a spectacular aura aboutuberfan has a spectacular aura about
Default RE:Is it the player or the team?

Quote:
Originally posted by: Murphy3
Of course the answer is that it's both the player and the system. However, it's not that the Kings inside players are just sooo much better passers than any other low post men in the NBA. The Kings do so much cutting to the bucket that it makes it difficult for them not to be good passers.
You have players cutting to the basket instead of standing on the arc. Is it the players or the system?

Easy answer is the system, but I think it has more to do with the players.
uberfan is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-22-2003, 10:02 PM   #9
Epitome22
Golden Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2002
Posts: 1,827
Epitome22 is a jewel in the roughEpitome22 is a jewel in the roughEpitome22 is a jewel in the roughEpitome22 is a jewel in the rough
Default RE:Is it the player or the team?

I think it's a combination of both. It's the system, but the player also has the talent to execute.


Also congrats to B. Miller on a strong season thus far. I used to think he was overrated before I came into contact with all the dissing and dissmissing that's been put his way (especially on this board) in the last few seasons. He's a strong asset to any team, especially in the Post-Center days of the NBA
Epitome22 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-22-2003, 11:02 PM   #10
Murphy3
Guru
 
Murphy3's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2001
Location: sport
Posts: 39,432
Murphy3 has a reputation beyond reputeMurphy3 has a reputation beyond reputeMurphy3 has a reputation beyond reputeMurphy3 has a reputation beyond reputeMurphy3 has a reputation beyond reputeMurphy3 has a reputation beyond reputeMurphy3 has a reputation beyond reputeMurphy3 has a reputation beyond reputeMurphy3 has a reputation beyond reputeMurphy3 has a reputation beyond reputeMurphy3 has a reputation beyond repute
Default RE:Is it the player or the team?

sure, of course it's a combination of both. You couldn't stick manute bol in there at center and expect him to churn out triple doubles
Murphy3 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-23-2003, 12:14 AM   #11
Walkerforthree
Golden Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2003
Posts: 1,083
Walkerforthree is on a distinguished road
Default RE:Is it the player or the team?

Miller had 3 straight games of:
1 rebound shy of a triple double
2 assist shy of a triple double
triple double

insane
Walkerforthree is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump




All times are GMT -5. The time now is 04:46 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.