12-13-2003, 02:38 AM
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Jamison
Why does Jamison disappear during big games. I feel he and Delk are not fitting into the Mavs. We need a center and soon. Ostertag will do.
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12-13-2003, 02:41 AM
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RE:Jamison
Jamison will be traded. Walker/Dirk is the best forward combination and since neither Jamison, Walker or Dirk can play the defensive portion of the center position then only 2 are going to get minutes. And we have a sucking chest wound at the center position where the Potato is coming on but he's a 20 or so minute guy. Najera and Bradley are not the answer.
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12-13-2003, 02:41 AM
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RE:Jamison
I feel it might be possible that Nellie is taking one thing at a time. Like trying to work Walker in first. I have a feeling Jamison will really flourish later in the season. Not sure why... maybe because that is what happened with Nick?
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12-13-2003, 02:43 AM
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RE:Jamison
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Originally posted by: Max Power
Jamison will be traded. Walker/Dirk is the best forward combination and since neither Jamison, Walker or Dirk can play the defensive portion of the center position then only 2 are going to get minutes. And we have a sucking chest wound at the center position where the Potato is coming on but he's a 20 or so minute guy. Najera and Bradley are not the answer.
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MP it does seem that way. Still I don't know if we can get any real talented center for Jamison, or rather if we can get much more talent in center by trading Jamison as opposed to FA next year. But I'd still look at trading him for players that better compliment the team. Maybe a defensive 4.
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12-13-2003, 02:46 AM
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RE:Jamison
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Jamison will be traded. Walker/Dirk is the best forward combination and since neither Jamison, Walker or Dirk can play the defensive portion of the center position then only 2 are going to get minutes. And we have a sucking chest wound at the center position where the Potato is coming on but he's a 20 or so minute guy. Najera and Bradley are not the answer.
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Exactly. I believe Jamison is a good guy and before the trade for Walker I thought Dirk/Jamison could be a goof two some. The Dirk/Walker duo is a lot better.
And the trio of Dirk/Walker/Jamison is a curse for the Mavs. It means you have 2 guys not playing their natural position, and no "scrappiness from any of them. We have to always have at least one scrapper in that spot. Whether it be Howard, Fortson, etc. If not a scrapper then we need a go to shotblocker like Bradley.
Ostertag would be a great pickup. He can rebound, block shots, and can throw his weight around without disrupting Dirk or Walker.
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12-13-2003, 02:51 AM
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RE:Jamison
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Originally posted by: Max Power
Jamison will be traded. Walker/Dirk is the best forward combination and since neither Jamison, Walker or Dirk can play the defensive portion of the center position then only 2 are going to get minutes. And we have a sucking chest wound at the center position where the Potato is coming on but he's a 20 or so minute guy. Najera and Bradley are not the answer.
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In tonight's win over the Lakers Fortson played 18 minutes; Najera 10 minutes; Bradley 3 minutes = total 31 minutes
That means Dirk gave the Mavs about 17 - presumably effective - minutes at the center position... I'd be interested to know the plus/minus for those minutes...
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12-13-2003, 02:51 AM
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RE:Jamison
double post
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12-13-2003, 02:54 AM
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RE:Jamison
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Originally posted by: V
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Originally posted by: Max Power
Jamison will be traded. Walker/Dirk is the best forward combination and since neither Jamison, Walker or Dirk can play the defensive portion of the center position then only 2 are going to get minutes. And we have a sucking chest wound at the center position where the Potato is coming on but he's a 20 or so minute guy. Najera and Bradley are not the answer.
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In tonight's win over the Lakers Fortson played 18 minutes; Najera 10 minutes; Bradley 3 minutes = total 31 minutes
That means Dirk gave the Mavs about 17 - presumably effective - minutes at the center position... I'd be interested to know the plus/minus for those minutes...
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No offense... but Not true... Walker played Shaq at center as well as Jamison.
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12-13-2003, 02:56 AM
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RE:Jamison
Jamison played about 4 or 5 of them because he was the guy who fouled Shaq. Walker was on Shaq a couple of minutes. Dirk probably got the rest of the minutes while Shaq was on the bench.
Jamison is a wonderful player and a better person. But there are too many defensive liabilities on the team when all three of our 3/4's are on the court. One of them needs to go towards shoring up our leaky center position.
Delk, Howard or even Finley could be the 6th man.
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12-13-2003, 03:01 AM
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RE:Jamison
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Originally posted by: ReDIRKulous
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Originally posted by: V
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Originally posted by: Max Power
Jamison will be traded. Walker/Dirk is the best forward combination and since neither Jamison, Walker or Dirk can play the defensive portion of the center position then only 2 are going to get minutes. And we have a sucking chest wound at the center position where the Potato is coming on but he's a 20 or so minute guy. Najera and Bradley are not the answer.
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In tonight's win over the Lakers Fortson played 18 minutes; Najera 10 minutes; Bradley 3 minutes = total 31 minutes
That means Dirk gave the Mavs about 17 - presumably effective - minutes at the center position... I'd be interested to know the plus/minus for those minutes...
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No offense... but Not true... Walker played Shaq at center as well as Jamison.
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I watched the game... and you are absolutely right... don't know what I was thinking
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12-13-2003, 03:05 AM
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RE: Jamison
I feel sorry for Jamison. He deserves to be in a better situation than this. I wish there was someplace to ship him that would do his persona justice. I really wanted for his stint here to be successful, but it doesn't appear to be heading in that direction.
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12-13-2003, 03:12 AM
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RE:Jamison
Jamison just needs to sit tight. He is a part of our depth that will come in handy. Fin went down and no one even missed him tonight. I am glad he wasnt in there tonight. Last time fin played the lakers, he started the game 0 for 9. That would have killed us tonight. Ship out fin. give howard more minutes. That allows dirk more shots and lets him find his groove.
ps i love fin
Now a big toe can cause him to miss games. hmmm The iron man is no more.
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12-13-2003, 03:17 AM
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RE:Jamison
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Originally posted by: ocelot_ark
I feel sorry for Jamison. He deserves to be in a better situation than this. I wish there was someplace to ship him that would do his persona justice. I really wanted for his stint here to be successful, but it doesn't appear to be heading in that direction.
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Just because Jamison only got 23 minutes tonight doesn't mean he can't be successful here... I like his rebounding & scoring punch off the bench...
Check out the month of December numbers for NVE last year versus month of November for Jamison
MIN FG% REB AST PTS
02/03 NVE 30.4 40% 3.5 5.5 13.6
03/04 Tawn 28.8 49% 6.8 1.4 14.1
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12-13-2003, 03:29 AM
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RE: Jamison
Yes, please ship Fin out.
Jamison could take his place as the only player to disappear in games and be the Mavs downfall.
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