Its time to get rid of Nellie.

[mavsfanforever]

I think it is time to get rid of Nellie. We are not here to watch a team just barely make the playoffs. When players like Gadzuric, Bell, Stephanson get their career high points its time to question either the players and the GM or the coach. In this case nellie is the gm and coach. If anyone observed Nellie's coaching strategies have sucked a$$ on the road except for a paltry 4 wins on the road.

Players are out of position on the defensive end(blame the coach for that). Most of the time players are also out of position offensively also but when you got so much offensive talent that gets overlooked. Nellie cannot handle some interior presence provided by Forston and Jamison because he probably does not have any good plays designed for interior plays.

I think Nellie is now old and done with. Even a utah team without Stockton and Malone and an injured Harping bets his team. Nellie needs probably time off from basketball or probably he needs to quit. At this rate we will just be a playoff bound team and nothing else.

[Murphy3]

Why get rid of Nellie? If the team keeps playing like this, he'll probably retire at the end of the season anyway.

[mavsfanforever]

I am sorry but I am seeing a portland team with all starts and losing games. Only difference being portland team players got the good sh!t always and mavs don't. Portland also went to WCF and were 1 qtr from winning it until lakers turned the tables.

[Chiwas]

It was time 4 years ago, when Cuban came.

Other good coach would have achieved even better things with that many resources brought by Cuban.

And Dallas would have a 4 years experienced team instead of 3 very good players but no team.

[LRB]

Nellie is getting enough rope to hang himself, and he's doing a damn fine job of it. It will most likely take until after the season is over, but I believe Nellie will be gone.

[Murphy3]

Or, other good owners might have achieved more with the resources that Nellie already had in place.

[MightyToine]

Cuban has GOT to be concerned right now of what he's seeing.... [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-frown.gif[/img]


Just heard we signed Mamadou to a 10-day contract....

Well...He can't play any worse defense than we have. That's for sure. All he needs to do is Intimidate and block shots....

[mavsfanforever]

Originally posted by: Murphy3
Why get rid of Nellie? If the team keeps playing like this, he'll probably retire at the end of the season anyway.

Murph, I am sure you will agree with the point that this is the best mavs team we ever had on the floor for ever. We just lack a centre. But how does it matter, the centres in mavs team do not get minutes anyway. Forston, najera and bradley have combined for less than 40 minutes a game this entire season. Is that an indication that Nellie has never been a coach who can use his centres. Nellie's strategies are getting old as he is. He has been a great coach all his tenure but there comes a time when you have to say good bye to a coach who isn't effective anymore. We both know that Forston is a good player but he finds his way to bench very quickly in nellie's system.

[Walkerforthree]

Originally posted by: mavsfanforever
I think it is time to get rid of Nellie. We are not here to watch a team just barely make the playoffs. When players like Gadzuric, Bell, Stephanson get their career high points its time to question either the players and the GM or the coach. In this case nellie is the gm and coach. If anyone observed Nellie's coaching strategies have sucked a$$ on the road except for a paltry 4 wins on the road.

Players are out of position on the defensive end(blame the coach for that). Most of the time players are also out of position offensively also but when you got so much offensive talent that gets overlooked. Nellie cannot handle some interior presence provided by Forston and Jamison because he probably does not have any good plays designed for interior plays.

I think Nellie is now old and done with. Even a utah team without Stockton and Malone and an injured Harping bets his team. Nellie needs probably time off from basketball or probably he needs to quit. At this rate we will just be a playoff bound team and nothing else.

A freakin men!

[mavsfanforever]

Originally posted by: Walkerforthree

A freakin men!

Do me a favor and be more specific.

[MightyToine]

Originally posted by: mavsfanforever

Do me a favor and be more specific.

I think he was agreeing with mavsfanforever, dude. [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif[/img]

[Max Power]

I've been tired of Nellie for several seasons. But he's here until Cuban gets rid of him. So I gave up caring so much.

[MightyToine]

Originally posted by: Max Power
I've been tired of Nellie for several seasons. But he's here until Cuban gets rid of him. So I gave up caring so much.

as I said, Cuban must be concerned right now....Was he at the game? If he was, I'm sure he was ticked off and just floored by the lack of effort everyone except Dirk was giving out there...

[MavsFanFinley]

Getting rid of Nelson is a start.

However, it still won't solve the problem of no center.

[mavsfanforever]

Originally posted by: Max Power
I've been tired of Nellie for several seasons. But he's here until Cuban gets rid of him. So I gave up caring so much.

Thanks m(ffl)axpower. For reiterating what I said but why does one wait for 82 games in a season when one can get rid of him in the mid season. I again want to ask this especially to you maxpower: do you think we are looking more like portland after the wcf when lakers beat them.

[LRB]

Originally posted by: MavsFanFinley
Getting rid of Nelson is a start.

However, it still won't solve the problem of no center.

Well it would solve the problem of starting a 6'1" Tony Delk over a 6'8" Fortson or a 7'6" Bradley. It would solve the problem of throwing out most centers who don't have a good offensive game. It won't solve all our problems, but it would open the way to have our problems solved.

[Chiwas]

Originally posted by: MavsFanFinley
Getting rid of Nelson is a start.

However, it still won't solve the problem of no center.

You're right but to have one problem is always better than to have two problems.

[Walkerforthree]

Originally posted by: mavsfanforever

I am saying I agree with you completely. I am fed up with Nellie, im threw with it, he is a joke and he needs to go. Dirk is a star and he can't get constant touches, he's on fire and still can't touches, no excuse for Dirk not getting 20 plus shots tonight (8-15) or last game (10-15), its absurd. Walker gets his shots no matter what, the point forward is crap. He won't play Fortson, he won't play shawn, he still does small ball shit like start delk, he uses delk over a better marquis, he play's too many idiotoc lineups, pulls people at the stupidest times, calls idiotic sets and play's, doesn't run the O thru Dirk, rarely post him, makes no attempt to get him the ball when hot, never feeds any hot man really, he gives up too early, he gets ejected when he feels like quitting, he's a bag of crap.

Do me a favor and be more specific.

[mavsfanforever]

Originally posted by: LRB

Well it would solve the problem of starting a 6'1" Tony Delk over a 6'8" Fortson or a 7'6" Bradley. It would solve the problem of throwing out most centers who don't have a good offensive game. It won't solve all our problems, but it would open the way to have our problems solved.

Great point LRB. I second that in a second.

[Mavs Rule]

There are many here amoung us that wanted to get rid of Nellie last year including me. It was tiring to constantly listen to his underdog speel, which was not motivating back then, and is laughable now. The players motivating themselves is what saved Nellie's job, and got him an extention, which was not deserved IMO. Well, the speel is old, and so is Nellie. Get someone in here who will give defense a higher priority and light a fire under some of the players' lazy a$$e$. Players stop listening to even the best of coaches after a few years.

[Max Power]

Originally posted by: mavsfanforever

Thanks m(ffl)axpower. For reiterating what I said but why does one wait for 82 games in a season when one can get rid of him in the mid season. I again want to ask this especially to you maxpower: do you think we are looking more like portland after the wcf when lakers beat them.

We are imploding in a brand new way. The Blazer team was too selfish and too many players wanted the ball and too few players wanted to do the dirty work. The Bucks also imploded this way.

The Mavs aren't selfish and they seem to work together offensively fairly well. The Mavs are imploding because we don't have anyone who is capable of doing the dirty work defensively. Sure Howard and Finley are playing good defense but who is the best interior defender? Walker?

The Mavs had two centers last year and at least one of them could be counted on for 20-24 minutes of quality defense. That is why we could get by with such weak perimeter defense last year - we had somebody who could cover for them. We don't have a defensive presence in the middle at all right now.

[Chicago JK]

The Mavs must have lost...another fire nellie topic [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-sad.gif[/img]

[MightyToine]

Walker gets his shots no matter what, the point forward is crap

EXACTLY, Walker4three. This isn't working. Walker should just be the Small Forward like HE SHOULD'VE BEEN IN THE FIRST PLACE and let Best back-up Nash at the point. [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-frown.gif[/img]


Walker passes the ball well.....BUT THAT PASSING IS MORE A LUXURY than anything else. It is NOT PG-Material. Or Point-forward.....whatever!! [img]i/expressions/rolleye.gif[/img]

[mavsfanforever]

Originally posted by: Max Power

We are imploding in a brand new way. The Blazer team was too selfish and too many players wanted the ball and too few players wanted to do the dirty work. The Bucks also imploded this way.

The Mavs aren't selfish and they seem to work together offensively fairly well. The Mavs are imploding because we don't have anyone who is capable of doing the dirty work defensively. Sure Howard and Finley are playing good defense but who is the best interior defender? Walker?

The Mavs had two centers last year and at least one of them could be counted on for 20-24 minutes of quality defense. That is why we could get by with such weak perimeter defense last year - we had somebody who could cover for them. We don't have a defensive presence in the middle at all right now.

Which exactly brings us to the topic of this thread. Nellie does not play the players who do the dirty work. Forston plays barely 10 min a game and Bradley is on the bench all the time and we know that bradley is the best defender in the mavs history. While nellie is working with offensive mismatches, he forgets that that are mismatched defensevely too.

[MightyToine]

Originally posted by: mavsfanforever

Which exactly brings us to the topic of this thread. Nellie does not play the players who do the dirty work. Forston plays barely 10 min a game and Bradley is on the bench all the time and we know that bradley is the best defender in the mavs history. While nellie is working with offensive mismatches, he forgets that that are mismatched defensevely too.

Didn't we sign Mamadou to a 10-day contract recently? Ya think Nellie would use him? [img]i/expressions/rolleye.gif[/img]

[mavsfanforever]

Originally posted by: MightyToine

Didn't we sign Mamadou to a 10-day contract recently? Ya think Nellie would use him? [img]i/expressions/rolleye.gif[/img]

Great rolling eyes smiley there?

[MightyToine]

Originally posted by: mavsfanforever

Great rolling eyes smiley there?

I was signifying my sarcasm, dude.

[Max Power]

Originally posted by: mavsfanforever
Which exactly brings us to the topic of this thread. Nellie does not play the players who do the dirty work. Forston plays barely 10 min a game and Bradley is on the bench all the time and we know that bradley is the best defender in the mavs history. While nellie is working with offensive mismatches, he forgets that that are mismatched defensevely too.

I disagree.

Nellie would play either Raef or Bradley in most games last year. This year Bradley has been injured the whole season (first the knee and then the back). Fortson is a terrible defender - much worse than anyone on the team not named Jamison. The rebounding is nice but the Mavs are a top notch rebounding team this year so his strength is unnecessary. What we need from the 5 spot is DEFENSE.

[dirno2000]

Tonight was the most pathetic effort I’ve seen from this team all season and that’s saying a lot after Friday night. Quite simply they play with no heart on the road against average teams. You can knock Nellie for his substitution patterns or Donnie and Cuban for the construction of the team. Chemistry or not, at some point the so called star players have to say screw it and play with some pride. I’m just not seeing that. This is rudderless ship and there’s only so much the coach can do.

The problem is that the Mavs are the only team that I can think of whose best player is not a leader. Dirk, when healthy, is a top five talent and as fiery and competitive as they come on the court. In the locker room he’s easygoing and kind of timid. He doesn’t feel comfortable getting in anybody’s face and quite frankly he’s a weak defender so it hard for him to get on others about not defending.

Walker and Fin are leaders, but since Walker got here it seems that Fin has toned it down. I think Walker is being careful not to be viewed as the negative dominant personality that Danny Ainge accused him of being.

Jamison and Nash are good soldiers and clearly frustrated, but they’re not going to rip anybody.

After a loss like this there needs to be cussing, chairs thrown, things broken in the room, something. My guess is that there will be a quiet locker room and a quiet flight back to Dallas. I hope I’m wrong. Jason Kidd went on a 30 minute locker room tired and the Nets have won 8 of the past 10. Coincidence?

[mavsfanforever]

Originally posted by: Max Power

I disagree.

Nellie would play either Raef or Bradley in most games last year. This year Bradley has been injured the whole season (first the knee and then the back). Fortson is a terrible defender - much worse than anyone on the team not named Jamison. The rebounding is nice but the Mavs are a top notch rebounding team this year so his strength is unnecessary. What we need from the 5 spot is DEFENSE.

If Bradley was on the free agent market I would say he is the best defender at #5 available.

[MightyToine]

Originally posted by: dirno2000

The problem is that the Mavs are the only team that I can think of whose best player is not a leader. Dirk, when healthy, is a top five talent and as fiery and competitive as they come on the court. In the locker room he’s easygoing and kind of timid. He doesn’t feel comfortable getting in anybody’s face and quite frankly he’s a weak defender so it hard for him to get on others about not defending.

Walker and Fin are leaders, but since Walker got here it seems that Fin has toned it down. I think Walker is being careful not to be viewed as the negative dominant personality that Danny Ainge accused him of being.

I've wondered about that...

Maybe Walker should just say "F'em" and get in everyone's face?

[mavsfanforever]

Originally posted by: MightyToine

I've wondered about that...

Maybe Walker should just say "F'em" and get in everyone's face?

Maybe but as a fan I feel that these players are paid enough millions of dollars to sort these thigs out.

[MightyToine]

Originally posted by: mavsfanforever

Maybe but as a fan I feel that these players are paid enough millions of dollars to sort these thigs out.

Well the truth is we don't know what goes on behind closed doors. I mean let's think of this :

Walker is looking for an extension/new contract. Maybe he doesn't want to "rock the boat" so to speak until he knows he's going to stay in Dallas for awhile.......So maybe that's why he has played the Good Soldier here.

Finley on the other hand needs to DO SOMETHING NOW! This is an embarassment and the only thing that would've been more embarassing is.......well........Nothing actually. [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-disgusted.gif[/img]

[Max Power]

Originally posted by: MightyToine
Maybe Walker should just say "F'em" and get in everyone's face?

It took NVE a year and a half before he said something like that. Walker isn't going to say it in a couple of months.

Finley SHOULD say something but I'm thinking that he's unclear on his role with the team (or if he will even BE on the team).

Dirk is supposed to be the man but his personality isn't like that.

The person who should say something is the point guard - the quarterback of the team. But Nash doesn't have that personality either.

I miss Avery Johnson [img]i/expressions/brokenheart.gif[/img]

[ddh33]

Originally posted by: Max Power

It took NVE a year and a half before he said something like that. Walker isn't going to say it in a couple of months.

Finley SHOULD say something but I'm thinking that he's unclear on his role with the team (or if he will even BE on the team).

Dirk is supposed to be the man but his personality isn't like that.

The person who should say something is the point guard - the quarterback of the team. But Nash doesn't have that personality either.

I miss Avery Johnson [img]i/expressions/brokenheart.gif[/img]

I posted something like that a while back and someone made fun of me. I think he's missed more than anyone really knows. I know one thing though, I'll be hoping that returns to this organization in some capacity very soon.

[Max Power]

Originally posted by: ddh33
I miss Avery Johnson [img]i/expressions/brokenheart.gif[/img]

I posted something like that a while back and someone made fun of me. I think he's missed more than anyone really knows. I know one thing though, I'll be hoping that returns to this organization in some capacity very soon.

You'd never hear anything like that from me. If I was Cuban I'd give Avery anything he wanted next season. If he wants to play - give him a roster spot and a vet mininum contract. If Avery wants to be an assistant coach then sign him up. If Avery wants to step straight into a head coach's role then GOODBYE NELLIE!

[LRB]

Originally posted by: MightyToine
Cuban has GOT to be concerned right now of what he's seeing.... [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-frown.gif[/img]


Just heard we signed Mamadou to a 10-day contract....

Well...He can't play any worse defense than we have. That's for sure. All he needs to do is Intimidate and block shots....

Maybe we'll see Pat Riley signed to a 10-day contract next. [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif[/img]

[grndmstr_c]

Firing a coach, who's also your GM, who's son is your, thus far, very successful pres. of basketball operations, in the middle of the season (can anybody say run-on sentence?), is, IMO the for real last resort. Tonight was extremely disappointing in virtually all respects, but if I were Mark I wouldn't feel like I had arrived at my last resort just yet. Nellie may very well be gone at the end of the season, and if he doesn't get this team to start playing better he should be, but I just don't like firing coaches in the middle of the season.

[mavsfanforever]

Originally posted by: LRB

Maybe we'll see Pat Riley signed to a 10-day contract next. [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif[/img]

sweets dreams are made of these, who am I to disagree?

[MightyToine]

Originally posted by: mavsfanforever

sweets dreams are made of these, who am I to disagree?

I travel the world in the seven seas, everybody is looking for something.... [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif[/img]