Rasheed...for the MLE...to the Mavs ? ...reported by WOW.....2/11. - Dallas-Mavs.com Forums

OutletPass · 02-12-2004, 03:28 AM

Our good foreign brother, Way Out West, has reported the following in another thread:

"FYI:Tim Legler on ESPN radio reported this morning that Sheed has said that he's willing to take the MLE to sign with the Knicks or Mavs this summer."

Let the RashweedTalk begin again.....
I'm sure that Stevie and Diggler can find him a bowl or two on his "recruiting trip".

(Did I mention that WOW is a very valuable and TRUSTED foreigner...? Like ...EXTREMELY trusted ? )

Dirkenstien · 02-12-2004, 03:41 AM

If we could get Sheed to focus his game on the low post then this would be the perfect pickup that we have been in search of all along. He is athletic and tough, a pretty good defender, and a good shooter...I truly hope we can land him. For the midlevel..damn, what a bargain.

twelli · 02-12-2004, 03:48 AM

Sheed might be a good player, but he has way too many issues and he would seriously threaten the chemistry of the team and this forum. Image all those "is he a cancer" type of threads that will pop up over and over...

Dirkenstien · 02-12-2004, 03:57 AM

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Originally posted by: twelli
Sheed might be a good player, but he has way too many issues and he would seriously threaten the chemistry of the team and this forum. Image all those "is he a cancer" type of threads that will pop up over and over...

You know..I really dont think he would affect the chemistry of this team in a negative way. He is not a ball hog and is very unselfish. If he is willing to play for a winning team for the mid level that should be indication in itself that he is maturing into the type of player that understands his role on a team and will accept it. He is the type of guy that you hate to play against but would love to have on your team.

With sheed manning the middle..we would undoubtedly be the deepest, and most versatile team in the league.

MAVS-FANATICO · 02-12-2004, 08:01 AM

Rasheed will not come to the MAVS for the MLE, I heard Stein saying that NY, Philly and Detroit are Sheed's first choices, if Sheed even mention the MAVS don't you think he's pulling one like ( Mourning's or a Rashard Lewis ) !!!! Just to get a better deal from somebody else, I really doubt it if he comes back to the West.

mavsfanforever · 02-12-2004, 09:03 AM

For MLE, I have no problems. If he messes up the chemistry, he can stay his a$$ on the bench. We are paying more than that to TAW for doing the same.

Max Power · 02-12-2004, 09:40 AM

As I said in the other thread - Sheed for the MLE is a no-brainer. Unfortunately it looks like another chapter in the book called "Use Cuban to Get More Money From Another Team".

jayC · 02-12-2004, 10:38 AM

Dale Davis said he was a good teammate and was unselfish.

LRB · 02-12-2004, 10:59 AM

Sounds like a ploy to play Cuban to drive up his value elsewhere. Let him hand us a signed contract before we pursue him.

ddh33 · 02-12-2004, 11:09 AM

I would think that Rasheed could get more than the Mid Level Exception. If he can't, however, Dallas would still be a great fit for him. I think a lot of people get sidetracked by his antics and medai reports and ignore what the people who are close to him actually say. By all accounts, he's a good guy and great competitor. I think he could really blossom here and help this team make the next step. He can guard anyone in the frontcourt, score down low, and be versatile enough to step out and hit jumpers. On the court, he would be the perfect compliment to a guy like Dirk.

samoan-maverick · 02-12-2004, 11:32 AM

Rasheed is a great player and I think he should be one of the few superstars in the league. His post game is as good as Duncan, he is just as athletic as Garnett, and he can shoot the 3ball just as good as Dirk. To me Rasheed plays just like Dirk, a bit too unsellfish. I would love to have Rasheed. I thought we should of got rid of AJ before we fell in love with him.

Dirkenstien · 02-12-2004, 12:15 PM

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Originally posted by: MAVS-FANATICO
Rasheed will not come to the MAVS for the MLE, I heard Stein saying that NY, Philly and Detroit are Sheed's first choices, if Sheed even mention the MAVS don't you think he's pulling one like ( Mourning's or a Rashard Lewis ) !!!! Just to get a better deal from somebody else, I really doubt it if he comes back to the West.

I disagree with this comment...there is just as much of a chance he'll come to Dallas than to any of those teams you have mentioned. At this point its what you heard over what WOW heard. Sorry, but Ill take WOW's word over yours in terms of credibility

MAVS-FANATICO · 02-12-2004, 12:30 PM

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Originally posted by: Dirkenstien

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Originally posted by: MAVS-FANATICO
Rasheed will not come to the MAVS for the MLE, I heard Stein saying that NY, Philly and Detroit are Sheed's first choices, if Sheed even mention the MAVS don't you think he's pulling one like ( Mourning's or a Rashard Lewis ) !!!! Just to get a better deal from somebody else, I really doubt it if he comes back to the West.

I disagree with this comment...there is just as much of a chance he'll come to Dallas than to any of those teams you have mentioned. At this point its what you heard over what WOW heard. Sorry, but Ill take WOW's word over yours in terms of credibility

Let him play for the rest of the season in the East and lets see if he chooses dominating the east or being another good forward in the West.

MightyToine · 02-12-2004, 01:24 PM

Rasheed and Walker on the same team...

Talk about VERSATILITY, BABY!! [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif[/img]

SaltwaterChaffy · 02-13-2004, 12:07 AM

He can't use the Mavs to drive up value for the Knicks, because they can only offer the MLE as well. This seems to lend a little credibility to it.

jayC · 02-13-2004, 12:15 AM

Wallace/Bradley
Dirk/Jamison
Walker/howard
Finley/Delk
Nash/Daniels

Talk about a great offensive five. And possibly a much improved defensive team as well. As far talent goes this is the guy to pursue. Suddenly the mavs are two deep at every position.

Speedy · 02-13-2004, 12:28 AM

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Originally posted by: jayC
Wallace/Bradley
Dirk/Jamison
Walker/howard
Finley/Delk
Nash/Daniels

Talk about a great offensive five. And possibly a much improved defensive team as well. As far talent goes this is the guy to pursue. Suddenly the mavs are two deep at every position.

jayC, that's a good looking line-up. I might prefer Josh starting, with him gaurding the other teams best back court player and Rasheed gaurding their best frontcourt player.

Poindexter Einstein · 02-13-2004, 01:07 AM

MAVS_FANAT ...You said "Rasheed will not come to the MAVS for the MLE, I heard Stein saying that NY, Philly and Detroit are Sheed's first choices"

Lets take a look at that set. Detroit you can eliminate, they wont have an MLE next year cause of cap rules and their desire to resign Okur. So that leaves Philly and NY, and both of those will have the same amount as Dallas.

So if Sheed is choosing between DALLAS and NY and PHILLY, which is the best place to choose? Dallas has a far better team (and all players love to win). There is a legit title shot here (but not the other 2 places, for quite a while).

Does he clog things up worse in the rotation? I think he misses the freedom to be a low post player, which was stripped from him in Portland due to Zach's emergence. He took his game outside for the teams benefit. The Mavs could definitely use a go-to player down low. He would fit well on O ...and he is a pretty good defender, too.

So he would get plenty of PT. He would have a shot at a title. And Dallas would offer him as much as the others.

In summary, the report by Legler (that he would prefer NY or Dallas at the MLE) makes more sense than Stein's.

Dirkenstien · 02-13-2004, 01:19 AM

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So if Sheed is choosing between DALLAS and NY and PHILLY, which is the best place to choose? Dallas has a far better team (and all players love to win). There is a legit title shot here (but not the other 2 places, for quite a while).

Not to mention that Cuban treats his players like royalty..and Sheed loves that.

akaarod03 · 02-13-2004, 01:24 AM

correct me if i'm wrong...but can atlanta turn around and trade rasheed wallace before the trade deadline? i swore i thought i read that the hawks had a 60 day moratorium to trade wallace...meaning wallace by himself could be traded to anyone...in other words...no one else from the hawks roster could be added...similar to the chris mills scenario we had earlier in the season where everyone thought that he would be traded immediately.

ddh33 · 02-13-2004, 01:32 AM

I wondered about the possibility of Rasheed being moved again...I'll preface this by saying that I don't think it happens. In fact, I don't even know if it can. But Dr. Jack was saying in his weekly chat that he thought Rasheed would be moved again by the deadline. Dr. Jack has been known to get a little confused occasionally, but I wondered if it had any merit. Can it even happen?

akaarod03 · 02-13-2004, 01:48 AM

to follow up on that ddh33...if atlanta can indeed turn around and trade wallace before the deadline...what team besides dallas would be interested? i'm guessing new york...but they dont have anything that would interest the hawks. another point...sure atlanta gets a ton of salary cap space at the end of this year...but what good is that? i highly doubt any big name FA will go to atlanta. the only incentive is to be below the luxury tax. however, they do need to have some players to make up their roster for next year. i think they would have 4 players under contract...pretty sad. with wallace gone, abdur-rahim gone, who is their PF/SF? who is their center? good luck trying to address all that in the draft and free agency.

ddh33 · 02-13-2004, 02:21 AM

I'll be watching Atlanta with a close eye for the next few months. I'm not sure they did the right thing. I know clearing cap space was important, but I still think that they should be looking at other options than letting every asset they have walk away. Maybe they have a plan I don't know about though...

Personally, if I was in Atlanta, I would rather have a guy like Walker than Rasheed. Walker has an extra year that buys them time, but also gives them a great trade chip for next season. I guess Dallas wasn't interested in what they were offering...

MightyToine · 02-13-2004, 09:03 AM

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Originally posted by: ddh33
I'll be watching Atlanta with a close eye for the next few months. I'm not sure they did the right thing. I know clearing cap space was important, but I still think that they should be looking at other options than letting every asset they have walk away. Maybe they have a plan I don't know about though...

Personally, if I was in Atlanta, I would rather have a guy like Walker than Rasheed. Walker has an extra year that buys them time, but also gives them a great trade chip for next season. I guess Dallas wasn't interested in what they were offering...

I know where this is possibly headed BUT I'm going to make a BOLD guarantee :

I guarantee that WALKER WILL *NOT* be dealt at the Trading deadline. BOOK IT!

ddh33 · 02-13-2004, 12:23 PM

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[i]Originally posted by: MightyToineI know where this is possibly headed BUT I'm going to make a BOLD guarantee :

I guarantee that WALKER WILL *NOT* be dealt at the Trading deadline. BOOK IT!

I wasn't intentionally trying to make this into another "Trade Walker" thread. I actually believe that Antoine gives us a better chance to beat all these teams in the West than anyone currently available. I want to see him in the playoffs with this team.

Rasheed did and still does interest me because he could bring a whole new dimension to this team, and I think that will be revisited over the summer. I was just thinking that Atlanta might have been better off with the larger scale of options that someone like Walker would have brought them. I mean, they didn't seem to get anything out of this deal with Portland but salary cap room. I don't know if that method is the most effective, but I'm interested to see what they can do...

FineCubanCigar · 02-13-2004, 12:28 PM

thats not rocket science as much as you might like it to be, Jamison is the first "superstar" talent that would be traded, cause Walker is Nelson's secret love child.

kg_veteran · 02-13-2004, 12:45 PM

I heard Sam Smith say the same thing the other day on the radio. He said Rasheed would go to New York for the MLE.

He and Legler are both idiots. Anybody who thinks CTC is going to take the MLE (or that someone won't give him more than the MLE) is nuts.

Evilmav2 · 02-13-2004, 12:57 PM

Rasheed coming to Dallas for the MLE this Summer? That seems highly doubtful to me...

I actually can't help but imagine that Rasheed might end up wearing Bobcat orange next year. For about $8-10 million per year, that would be a perfect free agent signing to kick off the new Bernie Bickerstaff era in Charlotte. And if Bernie could pick up Damon Stoudamire in the expansion draft, those Cats would really be off to a rolling Bickerstaff start...

Mastermind Bernie

Poindexter Einstein · 02-13-2004, 02:37 PM

Re the trade rules, and Wallace ...

If Atlanta wants to, they can trade away Wallace before the trade deadline. The only restriction is that they cannot trade another player with him, in the same deal.

ddh33 · 02-13-2004, 02:44 PM

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Originally posted by: Poindexter Einstein
Re the trade rules, and Wallace ...

If Atlanta wants to, they can trade away Wallace before the trade deadline. The only restriction is that they cannot trade another player with him, in the same deal.

PE, thanks. I knew you would come through with the info. Maybe this lends some credence to what Dr. Jack was saying in his chat. But I still can't imagine Atlanta moving him out. I think they're serious about the caproom.

dalmations202 · 02-13-2004, 02:44 PM

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Originally posted by: Poindexter Einstein
Re the trade rules, and Wallace ...

If Atlanta wants to, they can trade away Wallace before the trade deadline. The only restriction is that they cannot trade another player with him, in the same deal.

Yes, but would that give Dallas the ability to sign him at any price, or would they be limited to offering him the MLE in the offseason? If Big D can't offer him more than the MLE anyway, why would they trade for him, just to the end of the year, and then lose him because someone else CTC? From my reading, he has refused to agree to any "extensions" until after he tests the Free Agent market.

ddh33 · 02-13-2004, 02:57 PM

Whatever team Rasheed is on at the end of the season will be able to resign for the most amount of money - assuming he isn't put on waiver. That means that Atlanta would have his Bird rights. They could sign him for whatever they want - they won't though. Similarly, if Rasheed still ended up in Dallas by the deadline (doubtful, to say the least), then Dallas would be able to CABC (cut a bigger check) than anyone else.

dalmations202 · 02-13-2004, 03:05 PM

That is one call I would have to make. Putting him in as the 5, would sure solve some problems on the Mavs. I know their are all kinds of problems with his head at times, but <u>if</u> he played to his potential, Dallas could be on top for years.

ddh33 · 02-13-2004, 03:06 PM

Here is the qoute I brought up from Dr. Jack's chat:

Thomaz Alexandre (Rio De Janeiro, Brasil): Hi good Doc, apreciate your work down here. Nene used to play for my local club Vasco Da Gama. And what about Sheed, because he isn't in ATL's long term plans and other teams have interest, could the Hawks trade him before the deadline for, say, a draft pick?

Dr. Jack Ramsay: Buenos dias, Thomaz...
The Hawks could trade Sheed today if they wanted...so long as they didn't group him with other Hawks in the trade...or if they signed him to a new contract. Chances are Wallace will be traded again before the trade deadline Text

In case I didn't use the bold text correctly, please note that he says chances are Rasheed gets moved again before the deadline. That surprised me...
Like I said, it probably means nothing, but it is a little interesting to me.

Poindexter Einstein · 02-13-2004, 03:24 PM

DALM ... In the offseason, whatever team Sheed is on will be able to offer him the most money. Teams under the cap can offer him up to their cap. Teams over the cap can offer him up to the MLE of roughly $5M.

Re trading for Sheed now - the problem is that you have to give up $17M worth of contracts/talent to get him now. And why would Atlanta take back $17M in contracts, when they just got rid of the same? Note this - the $17M in contracts they gave away for him was TALENT - so you better pony up with TALENT in that amount, not just a set of crappy contracts. Looking at all that, what DrJack said makes no sense (for some reason, that seems to be typical of most of his online personnel things). I cant see Sheed going ANYWHERE til the summer.

dalmations202 · 02-13-2004, 03:34 PM

For the sake of this discussion, but I DO NOT think it will happen:
Hypothetically:
Rasheed for Walker/Delk.
Brent Barry for Fortson or Daniels/Najera.

C - Rasheed - backup Bradley
PF - Nowitzki - backup Jamison - Fortson/Najera
SF - Jamison - backup Howard
SG - Finley - backup Barry or Howard
PG - Nash - backup Barry/Best

That is solid 8 deep playoff team.
Defense is better, Offense is better. Rasheed can pull Shaq away from the basket. Put Barry in for Jamison when we need that last bucket. Who do you double, Nash, Finley, Dirk, Barry, Sheed? All of them would kill you from the Arc.

Need big front line. Barry- PG, Howard - SG, Nowitzki - SF, Wallace - PF, Bradley - C.
Need D - Best, Barry, Howard, Sheed, Bradley.
Need quick cutters - Nash, Barry, Howard, Jamison, Nowitzki

That could sure allow for many matchup issues.

Poindexter Einstein · 02-13-2004, 03:39 PM

DALM ... Cant see either Atl or Sea making those deals under any circumstances.

dalmations202 · 02-13-2004, 03:52 PM

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Originally posted by: Poindexter Einstein
DALM ... Cant see either Atl or Sea making those deals under any circumstances.

Why would Atl? They have a year to evaluate Walker, and see if he could be the scorer they need. Best comes off the books just the same. Then Atl has a base of Terry and Walker to start with. Unless they think they are going to get Kobe or TMac, this seems like it might be possible, if Mark sweetens it with a few M$., and maybe a pick or something. Not likely, but maybe.

Why would Seattle do it? They think Barry is going to leave anyway. Back to, if Daniels were added, or maybe a pick and some $$$$. I can see it happening, if Mark wants it to. I do not know if they would have any interest in Delk/Najera/Fortson/Daniels, but I would be on the phone finding out.

I really think Barry, Howard, Bradley would be the best Backups in the league for this team.

MightyToine · 02-13-2004, 04:01 PM

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Why would Atl? They have a year to evaluate Walker, and see if he could be the scorer they need. Best comes off the books just the same. Then Atl has a base of Terry and Walker to start with. Unless they think they are going to get Kobe or TMac, this seems like it might be possible, if Mark sweetens it with a few M$., and maybe a pick or something. Not likely, but maybe.

Aahh but Walker won't want to play in a DEAD-ARENA like Phillips where there's ZERO Fan-Base. He'd ask for a trade IMMEDIATELY.

And those of you who don't think that Walker didn't mean it when he said he wants to stay in dallas need to THINK AGAIN. The Last thing Walker wants is ANOTHER hit on his Ego and Pride which is what happened when he first got traded....I doubt he'd want that to happen again.

Walker is staying. End of story.

NEXT!

dalmations202 · 02-13-2004, 04:13 PM

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Originally posted by: MightyToine

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Why would Atl? They have a year to evaluate Walker, and see if he could be the scorer they need. Best comes off the books just the same. Then Atl has a base of Terry and Walker to start with. Unless they think they are going to get Kobe or TMac, this seems like it might be possible, if Mark sweetens it with a few M$., and maybe a pick or something. Not likely, but maybe.

Aahh but Walker won't want to play in a DEAD-ARENA like Phillips where there's ZERO Fan-Base. He'd ask for a trade IMMEDIATELY.

And those of you who don't think that Walker didn't mean it when he said he wants to stay in dallas need to THINK AGAIN. The Last thing Walker wants is ANOTHER hit on his Ego and Pride which is what happened when he first got traded....I doubt he'd want that to happen again.

Walker is staying. End of story.

NEXT!

MT
And people said he wouldn't play in Big D where he couldn't be the #1 or #2 either. I know that you love the guy, and want him to stay in Dallas, but I want Dallas to win the championship. If I thought trading Dirk would get the piece needed to win it all, then trade Dirk. I don't think San Antonio will part with TD nor Minn with KG, so I don't suggest Dirk. Walker is an asset. He has value. That should be a compliment to Walker - it was Finley before that. The question is? Are they better with Walker, or Wallace on this team. Don't say he wouldn't play there. He makes 14M a year to play. That was like people saying that Van Exel would "can" his 12M contract to leave GS. No way they give up that kind of money. Avery Johnson didn't either.

It actually would be great for Walker. He would get to be the #1 option, and show off his incredible talent. He could put up 25 pts a night there. Then he could sign the big contract next season.