Terrible coaching job by Nelson

[TheKid]

I know there are alot of supporters here for Nelson but you know he did a TERRIBLE coaching job yesterday. Throughout the year I have not been impressed with the job he has done from a coaching standpoint. Yesterday he was CLEARLY out coached by Adelman and that is a shame. The Mavericks hot shooting kept them in the game the first half but the second half, the Kings made adjustments that the Mavericks were unable to handle. Here are a few areas that Adelman outcoached Nelson:

1. Defensively both teams are average at best on defense but the Kings have the ability to make stops when necessary and the Mavs can NOT. Edge goes to the Kings on Defense and Adelman stepping up to make the necessary stops when it counted.

2. The rookies, played great the first half but the second half they were average and down the stretch they looked like rookies. The fact that Adelman recognized that and took advantage of that and Nelson didn't replace the rookies with a different line up is beyond me. Edge goes to Adelman.

3. Rotations, Adelman had a system when he was rotating his players. He was counteracting to the what the Mavs were doing. When the Mavs went small, they went small with the Mavs and had lineups in that were responding. On the other side of the court, Nelson had no clue what to do. He was still trying to find that matchup that was going to make everyone say, "he's a genius" instead of going with what has been successful for the Mavs the past four or five years which is alot of DIRK, some of Nash and a little Finley. That's what beat the Kings last year and for some reason Nelson got completely away from that.

I was so disappointed in the way the Mavs approached that game yesterday it was sickening. The next game will tell me if Nelson is as good as everyone claims he is. The Mavs were in the game up until about 2 minutes left in the third quarter when things starting slipping away. He should get everything in line before the next game and there should be NO reason the Mavs should leave Sacramento without a win!

[dalmations202]

Originally posted by: TheKid
I know there are alot of supporters here for Nelson but you know he did a TERRIBLE coaching job yesterday. Throughout the year I have not been impressed with the job he has done from a coaching standpoint. Yesterday he was CLEARLY out coached by Adelman and that is a shame. The Mavericks hot shooting kept them in the game the first half but the second half, the Kings made adjustments that the Mavericks were unable to handle. Here are a few areas that Adelman outcoached Nelson:

1. Defensively both teams are average at best on defense but the Kings have the ability to make stops when necessary and the Mavs can NOT. Edge goes to the Kings on Defense and Adelman stepping up to make the necessary stops when it counted.

2. The rookies, played great the first half but the second half they were average and down the stretch they looked like rookies. The fact that Adelman recognized that and took advantage of that and Nelson didn't replace the rookies with a different line up is beyond me. Edge goes to Adelman.

3. Rotations, Adelman had a system when he was rotating his players. He was counteracting to the what the Mavs were doing. When the Mavs went small, they went small with the Mavs and had lineups in that were responding. On the other side of the court, Nelson had no clue what to do. He was still trying to find that matchup that was going to make everyone say, "he's a genius" instead of going with what has been successful for the Mavs the past four or five years which is alot of DIRK, some of Nash and a little Finley. That's what beat the Kings last year and for some reason Nelson got completely away from that.

I was so disappointed in the way the Mavs approached that game yesterday it was sickening. The next game will tell me if Nelson is as good as everyone claims he is. The Mavs were in the game up until about 2 minutes left in the third quarter when things starting slipping away. He should get everything in line before the next game and there should be NO reason the Mavs should leave Sacramento without a win!

I agree with this 100%. The Mavs should win game 2, and I think will. Nelson was outcoached though, just in the way he handled Bradley if nothing else. Nelson wants to dictate matchups, but when Doug Christie outplays Michael Finley, then you are always going to have problems.

[kg_veteran]

I think Nellie has to a) get Finley and Nash more involved and aggressive offensively early on, b) figure out a way to keep getting Dirk the ball when the Kings put Peja on him, and c) figure out a way to mix a little more defense into the lineup.

My suggestion (you knew it was coming) is to play this rotation:

Walker 28 - Bradley 20
Nowitzki 38 - Jamison 10
Finley 28 - Jamison 20
Daniels 15 - Finley 10 - Howard 23
Nash 38 - Daniels 10

[Murphy3]

Originally posted by: kg_veteran
I think Nellie has to a) get Finley and Nash more involved and aggressive offensively early on, b) figure out a way to keep getting Dirk the ball when the Kings put Peja on him, and c) figure out a way to mix a little more defense into the lineup.

My suggestion (you knew it was coming) is to play this rotation:

Walker 28 - Bradley 20
Nowitzki 38 - Jamison 10
Finley 28 - Jamison 20
Daniels 15 - Finley 10 - Howard 23
Nash 38 - Daniels 10

It should have been easy to get the ball to dirk with peja on him. There were two or three times late in the third and on into the 4th where dirk was virtually doing jumping jacks begging for the ball because no one was on him. But, it didn't happen. There were other occasions where he had good low post position but the Mavs jacked up a quick shot.

It's not about peja denying dirk the ball. It's about the Mavs showing just a little patience and having a little discipline on the offensive end. If it doesn't come easy to the Mavs offensively early in the possession, there's a good chance that someone will make a bad decision

[MavsFanFinley]

I agree with this 100%. The Mavs should win game 2, and I think will. Nelson was outcoached though, just in the way he handled Bradley if nothing else. Nelson wants to dictate matchups, but when Doug Christie outplays Michael Finley, then you are always going to have problems.

Wasn't Finley matched up with Peja? Or did you mean Christie outplayed Daniels? Or did you mean that Peja and Christie outplayed Finley? I mean, Christie outplayed Finley, Daniels, and Nash. Finley guarded Bibby some in the 4th quarter so maybe you meant that he outplayed Finley too.

TheKid...I'll be watching to see if Nelson corrects a few things as well. Like whether he plays Bradley (or maybe Williams), who he involves on offense after Dirk (will it be the rookies again or Finley/Nash), and if Jamison is on the bench if/when we need scoring?

[kg_veteran]

I agree. Adelman was smart enough to know that the Mavs weren't being patient offensively.

Peja's not some all-world defender. He simply moves better than the other Kings big men, making it a little harder to run the standard pick and roll. But that doesn't mean the Mavs can't get Dirk good shots. Heck, give Dirk the ball and get out of the way. He'll do the rest against Peja most of the time, either on the block or on the wing.

[samoan-maverick]

I think they should play all of the 3 headed centers.

Williams- crafty veteran against another

Bradley- Zone, Zone, Zone

Fortson- Will be able to keep Vlade in check.

There were two or three times late in the third and on into the 4th where dirk was virtually doing jumping jacks begging for the ball because no one was on him.

Daniels really needs to figure out who is the "Go-To Guy" on the Mavs, and Nelson needs to tell Him.

Nash needs to stop losing the ball and calm down, its like he's trying to come up with fastbreak points in the half-court offense.

Finley needs to show that leadership we miss from that one guy we traded.

Walker needs to keep playing his game away from the 3's.

[kingrex]

To say that Nelson's coacing was "TERRIBLE" is an overstatement. I believe he managed the match-ups adequately with the guys he had to work with. His rotation took advantage of mismatches especially with Dirk, and the rookies played an appropriate amount. Having said that, I will highlight some of his bad choices:

1) Call a friggin' time-out once in a while. I don't know why Nellie insists on NOT calling a timeout to stem the momentum of an opposing team. I realize he'd rather have the team increase the tempo as a counter to the opponent making a run, but sometimes Nellie needs to round up the troops and calm them down a little. There were stretches where they seemed more panicked, and not so effective offensively or defensively. I think he let the game get out of hand in the 4th.

2) Give the big guy some PT. I know that in the short stretches that Big Brad was in that he seemed out of sorts, but I wish he would give Bradley a little more PT to anchor some kind of defense, especially in the 4th quarter. The 4th quarter is all about stops, especially since the jump shots were not there for the Mavs. They couldn't afford to just trade baskets in the 4th.

I won't stake a veteran coaches reputation of Game 2, but I agree that it is a crucial game for the Mavs. They must adjust to Christie and to a resurgent Webber. More importantly, the players must match the intensity the Kings showed in that 4th quarter.

[dalmations202]

Originally posted by: MavsFanFinley

Wasn't Finley matched up with Peja? Or did you mean Christie outplayed Daniels? Or did you mean that Peja and Christie outplayed Finley? I mean, Christie outplayed Finley, Daniels, and Nash. Finley guarded Bibby some in the 4th quarter so maybe you meant that he outplayed Finley too.

TheKid...I'll be watching to see if Nelson corrects a few things as well. Like whether he plays Bradley (or maybe Williams), who he involves on offense after Dirk (will it be the rookies again or Finley/Nash), and if Jamison is on the bench if/when we need scoring?

Name PPG Reb Asst Steals
M. Bibby 14.0 4.0 7.0 2.0
D. Christie 21.0 8.0 11.0 2.0
V. Divac 12.0 2.0 2.0 1.0
P. Stojakovic 28.0 8.0 1.0 2.0
C. Webber 26.0 12.0 3.0 1.0

Name PPG Reb Asst Steals
M. Daniels 13.0 6.0 5.0 4.0
M. Finley 9.0 4.0 3.0 0.0
S. Nash 13.0 2.0 8.0 2.0
D. Nowitzki 32.0 13.0 3.0 3.0
A. Walker 9.0 10.0 4.0 0.0

I guess what I meant was that when Christie, who is at best their 4-5 scoring option, and arguably not a scoring option at all, is outplaying Finley, who is Dallas's #2 scoring option, then you are probably going to lose the game. Yes, Christie outplayed Daniels, and Nash, and Finley, and basically everyone else on the Mavs, not named Dirk. The fact that they got their #4 or #5 guy to outplay everyone except Dallas's #1 player is the point I was making. I wasn't referring to "who covered who", but who came up big in a playoff game. Finley usually does, but was totally outplayed yesterday.

[SeriousSummer]

Did any of you actually watch the game?

Our bigs outplayed Sacramento's bigs--we didn't need help from the Centers.

Vlade did nothing (12 points, 2 rebounds, 2 assists). Miller did nothing (2 points, 6 rebounds, 3 assits). Walker (9 points, 10 rebounds, 4 assists) and Jamison (18 points, 5 rebounds) outplayed them. Dirk outplayed Webber.The Mavericks outrebounded the Kings and more than doubled them up on blocked shots (11 to 5).

Nash didn't play great, but he held his own with Bibby (Nash 13 points, 8 assists; Bibby 14 points, 7 assists).

We got killed by the swing players. Daniels/Finley/Howard combined for 33 points, on 14-36 shooting in 101 minutes. Christie/Stojakovic/Peeler combined for 60 points, on 21-37 shooting in 110 minutes. Only one more shot in nine more minutes, but twenty-seven more points. These same guys (thanks to Daniels) had seven turnovers to the Kings three.

Finley was very bad, and in the second half Daniels and Howard played like the rookies they are. The Mavericks got killed when the Kings went small, because Finley, Howard and Daniels couldn't take advantage of their height advantage over Peeler or Bibby when Dirk was out of the game and couldn't get him the ball when he was in the game.

I think the rookies will get a little steadier as the series goes on, but if Finley doesn't bring more game then the series won't last long.

[MavsFanFinley]

For the season Fin was probably the 2nd scoring option, but would you say he was the 2nd option yesterday? Do you feel he was given the touches to even be the 3rd or 4th option on offense?

Dirk, Daniels, and Nash took more shots than Finley. He only took 2 more than Walker, 3 more than Jamison, and 5 more than Howard.

I would say Christie was more involved in what the Kings were doing than what Finley was for what the Mavs were trying. The question I have is whether that was Nelson's fault or Finley's?

[kg_veteran]

Originally posted by: SeriousSummer
Did any of you actually watch the game?

The rest of what you said made some sense, but is this really necessary?

No, I didn't watch the game. I just read the boxscores.

Sheesh.

[kingrex]

Originally posted by: SeriousSummer

Our bigs outplayed Sacramento's bigs--we didn't need help from the Centers.

It's true, the Mavs small-ball lineup was effective for most of the game, but at times it wouldn't hurt to bring in one of the Centers (especially Bradley) to provide a defensive change-up. If just to change the momentum of the game. I thought Nellie should have done that in some points of the game.

I don't totally agree with some of the minutes-distribution proposed on this thread, but I do agree that Bradley should get more PT for defensive purposes.

[TheKid]

I would have liked to see Bradley with more PT but as Serious said, I think we didn't do SO terrible. My beef was more that Nash didn't get NEARLY as much time as he should have nor did Finley. As Murph said there were TOO many stretches where we just simply went away from Dirk..

Like I said if we're just going to try and outscore the other team and not focus on defense we should have had ALOT of Dirk, Some of Nash and a little Finley IN THAT ORDER. Any other shots for other players should come off a rebounds and in transition. Other than that, there should be no other way and that just pissed me off yesterday when I see Howard and Daniels getting the majority of the minutes but your vets who have gotten you to the WESTERN CONFERENCE FINALS before. When they go to the Bench the Kings had a two point lead or were down by one, when Nash and Finley were inserted back in the game, the Mavs were down by 8. That's huge!!!!!!!!

Another thing, Cuban better hope Walker and Jamison give us something during this series because if they don't, then that trade was a waste!!!!

[samoan-maverick]

Originally posted by: SeriousSummer
Did any of you actually watch the game?

DEFENSE!!!!

Our bigs played great offensively but our bigs played horrible defensively. Besides Dirk getting 5blks. and 3stls. What else can you say about Walker and Jamison.

Did you hear the stat saying, when we are down 8 or more points in the 4th quarter we are 0-25. Thats freakin' rediculous. This is the playoffs and we need to bring out any kind of Defense we have.

Seriously Summer C'mon

[Dooby]

Nellie coached the same game that he's coached for 20+ years. Why bother complaining now?

Rotations are for losers. Timouts during an opposing team's runs shows fear. Playing a big man means you are conceding that your smaller guys can't draw the opposing team's center away from the basket. There is no point and telling a player to drive to the basket because if he was any good, he'd have thought of it himself. And you certainly never put a 6 year veteran in his first playoff game into the game until the end of the first quarter because you don't know how he'll respond; it makes much more sense to start two rookies.

[kingrex]

The problem is in Game 1, Finley wasn't giving you anything and the 2 rooks play better defense than Nash and Finley.

So, as a coach, I agree that you go with your vets more than your rookies, but Daniels and Howard don't always play like ordinary rookies.

Philosophically, I agree with you Kid, but for Game 1, I can't fault Nelson too much for playing Daniels and Howard as much as he did.

I do fault him for not running more plays for Dirk in 4th quarter, but not for the number of minutes that the rookies played.

[SeriousSummer]

Yes, it's necessary, when we get comments like this:

"Fortson- Will be able to keep Vlade in check." no comment necessary and

"[Nelson] was still trying to find that matchup that was going to make everyone say, "he's a genius" instead of going with what has been successful for the Mavs the past four or five years which is alot of DIRK, some of Nash and a little Finley." -- Dirk played 43 minutes and only sat out when he got 3 fouls in the first half and 5 early in the fourth quarter. Nash and Finley each played 38 minutes and this

"Nelson was outcoached though, just in the way he handled Bradley if nothing else." again, our bigs outplayed their bigs and this

"Edge goes to the Kings on Defense and Adelman stepping up to make the necessary stops when it counted." I don't know about you, but I missed those steals Adelman made. and this

"Nelson didn't replace the rookies with a different line up is beyond me." of course playing Delk(?) would have fixed everything

Then I feel justified in using a little sarcasm.

[grndmstr_c]

Nellie screwed the pooch not playing Shawn more.

Oh well, at least Delk didn't see any action.

[Murphy3]

For some reason SeriousSummer, I don't believe that the "alot of DIRK, some of Nash and a little Finley" was necessarily talking about minutes.

but that's just a thought..

Anyways, Nelson made his share of errors last night. But, the main focus for why the Mavs lost has got to go on some of the players' shoulders. Fin, nash, Walker and Daniels were all mediocre to poor yesterday. That isn't going to cut it.

[kingrex]

Originally posted by: Dooby
Timouts during an opposing team's runs shows fear. Playing a big man means you are conceding that your smaller guys can't draw the opposing team's center away from the basket.

I respect your opinions Doob, but I have to disagree in 2 of your points:

1) Timeouts, when used properly, can be effective in stopping an opponent's run. If just to re-focus your team. So, I think it's foolish to simply negate the use of timeouts in situations like the Kings' 4th quarter run.

2) I don't think you are abandoning the gameplan of playing "small-ball" by inserting a big man like Bradley in periodic stretches of the game. I think it can force the opponent to make adjustments to their game and thus possibly interuppting any type of run/flow in their game.

[Murphy3]

Originally posted by: kingrex

I respect your opinions Doob, but I have to disagree in 2 of your points:

1) Timeouts, when used properly, can be effective in stopping an opponent's run. If just to re-focus your team. So, I think it's foolish to simply negate the use of timeouts in situations like the Kings' 4th quarter run.

2) I don't think you are abandoning the gameplan of playing "small-ball" by inserting a big man like Bradley in periodic stretches of the game. I think it can force the opponent to make adjustments to their game and thus possibly interuppting any type of run/flow in their game.

ah yes, the greatness of one man not catching on to another man's sarcasm.

[dirt_dobber]

I'll say that his (Nellie's) decision to go with and stay with Najera was a boneheaded move.
Najera was scared to shoot, the Kings sagged off him almost begging him to shoot.
He was not effective swinging the ball and contributed a big bag of nothing!!!!! How could
Nellie have so much confidence in Najera when he has players like Jamison on the bench
at the time?

[Usually Lurkin]

The problem with how Nellie coached???

TOO MUCH ROOKIES!!
Marquis is great and all, but someone (coach) should tell him that he's not yet steve nash, and when steve's on the floor, steve should handle the ball.

When your couple of non-rookie rookies start making rookie mistakes (over gambling on D, putting the blinders on on O) as momentum starts to wane in the second half of a winnable playoff game - probably not the best time to leave them in charge of the team.


MEDIOCRE BALL-HANDLERS!!!
Fin, Dirk, Marquis - Let Fin and Dirk handle the ball when it's necessary. Let Marquis be playmaker for a changeup. But why in the world is Steve Nash running around like a shooting-guard???


SMALL BALL SUCKS!!!
Hey, I'm as happy as pie that they switched to small ball. Walker at center gives us a better chance than walker at forward. But it sucks, and it's Nellie's way of doing things.

[MightyToine]

Originally posted by: samoan-maverick

DEFENSE!!!!

Our bigs played great offensively but our bigs played horrible defensively. Besides Dirk getting 5blks. and 3stls. What else can you say about Walker and Jamison.

Walker had a block, I think. [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif[/img]

[TheKid]

For some reason SeriousSummer, I don't believe that the "alot of DIRK, some of Nash and a little Finley" was necessarily talking about minutes.

Thanks for explaining that to him and me not wasting time typing that out. It's fairly simply to see what I meant. When I said the team stepped up and made the necessary plays on Defense, I'm saying Adelman got the most out of his players. Part of coaching (I'll explain to you since you don't understand) is how your players respond to your direction. Adelman got his players to respond defesively when it counted, Nelson didn't, it's that simple!!!!!!

The rookies were NOT good from halfway through the 3rd quarter through the remainder of the game. If you're going to lose a game, you lose with what got you there. You lose with what has been successful for you in the past, you don't get to the playoffs and decide that you're going to stick with them. Do I think they're going to be good for the team in the future, OF COURSE but now is not the time to see, especially when the Mavs have a tough opponent that they are capable of beating. AND NO ONE WAS SAYING GIVE THE ROOKIES PT TO DELK, I DIDN'T READ THAT ANYWHERE!!!!

[SeriousSummer]

You can coach all you want, but if you don't have the players, then it doesn't matter. Doug Christie can play defense. The Mavs don't have anybody on the perimeter nearly as good. Christie would be a good defensive player if you coached or I coached him, Nelson or Adelman don't matter.

O.K., so you've benched the rookies. Who you gonna play? Nash already played 38 minutes. So did Finley. The rookies played a total of 63 minutes. Even if you played Finley and Nash the entire game (a really bad idea with Nash especially) and not that they were playing very well anyway, you've still got 43 more minutes to fill. The only other guard on the team is Delk.

[grndmstr_c]

SS, we do have this sixth man of the year candidate on our bench who played only 20 minutes yesterday.

And before you fire back with AJ being a forward and not a guard, let's not lose sight of the fact that Fin and JHo played a combined 43 minutes at the SF spot yesterday. Any cutback of minutes to Quis/JHo would have freed up minutes at the 3 either directly or indirectly by virtue of Fin getting more of his minutes at the 2.

[Dooby]

[i]Originally posted by: Murphy3ah yes, the greatness of one man not catching on to another man's sarcasm.

Thanks, Murph.

[SeriousSummer]

Grandmaster C, yes, you could have played Jamison more and played Finley at the 2, but doesn't that leave you with some version of the "big" line-up that didn't work well all year?

[samoan-maverick]

Originally posted by: MightyToine

Walker had a block, I think. [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif[/img]

I hate the way he's playing cuz I love the guys game. I know he can do so much better but, Dammit Tione' I really want to see this guy do what he is capable of doing. He is going to be BIG come next game. I can feel him stepping up the next game.

[MavsFanFinley]

Putting Daniels into the starting lineup and having him as the second option on offense reminds me a lot of forcing Walker into action in the beginning of the season. The only difference is that it's taking away from Finley's game instead of Dirk's.

You either start Howard at the sf with Finley at the 2 or have Finley come off the bench. There is no way Nelson is going to tell Daniels not to shoot, especially if he's handling the ball and Nash is playing like a 2 guard.

[Murphy3]

was it more dirk stepping up and bitching out the team plus nellie putting the thing back in control of the big three that turned it around late in the season or was it smaller ball?

Perhaps too much of the credit is being thrown towards small ball instead of where it belongs.

[Bayliss]

All I know is this and it exists no matter who we play as long as Nelson is the coach and the "Big 3" are still here:

Nash may win us a game. Fin may win us a game. But Dirk is the only Maverick (and has been for awhile) that will win us a series. Until Nellie realizes that Dirk needs to obtain touches then all is lost.

Garnett last night shot 30 times. Flip continually put it in his hands. And if it wasn't in his, then it was in Cassell's who shot 24 times. How is it that our coach can't give opur best player the same amount of shots as Minnesotas "2nd!" option! Explain that to me? Please.

We will win if Dirk plays out of his mind. If he doesn't, we won't. All the other analysis/lineups is moot.

[grndmstr_c]

SS, AJ at the 3 and Dirk at the 4 was an effective combination this year. I started a thread a few weeks back that contained +/- ratings for a lot of the "big" lineups and that combination was by far the most effective.

[FilthyFinMavs]

Originally posted by: kg_veteran
I think Nellie has to a) get Finley and Nash more involved and aggressive offensively early on, b) figure out a way to keep getting Dirk the ball when the Kings put Peja on him, and c) figure out a way to mix a little more defense into the lineup.

My suggestion (you knew it was coming) is to play this rotation:

Walker 28 - Bradley 20
Nowitzki 38 - Jamison 10
Finley 28 - Jamison 20
Daniels 15 - Finley 10 - Howard 23
Nash 38 - Daniels 10

Agreed. It's rare you see Fin and Nash start off great and end horrible and I think thats what Nellie has to do. Getthem invovledalot more. I like your rotation also but i'm not sure if Bradley can keep up with the run and gun pace for 20 minutes.

[Day1MavsFan]

Any lineup with Bradley in it has been productive, whether small or big. I think the only reason the small ball lineup worked is because Daniels got more minutes and he is small, and because Walker's minutes were reduced. Yeah, Daniels instead of Walker on the floor is going to be better, but not because it is smaller.
Serious-- Did you see the layup and dunk drill that Sac put on us? I don't care if those were big or small players doing it, Bradley would have helped. And anyway, Webber is a big and had a huge game. Peja (SF) is as big as Jamison, is he not? So, even counting Dirk's 32, our bigs got outplayed, especially inside.
Now let's all admit it. Nellie's an idiot for not playing Shawn who killed the Kings in January, and not playing Jamison more who shot 7 of 10 from the field. This thread's OVAH!

[kingrex]

Originally posted by: Dooby

Thanks, Murph.

So are you still being sarcastic, or are you sincerely thanking Murph. [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif[/img]

[TheKid]

Perhaps too much of the credit is being thrown towards small ball instead of where it belongs.

I agree 100%!!!!!!!!

[mavsman55]

An ideal lineup for game 2 would be to sub Shawn Bradley and Antoine Walker in at center, matching up with Vlade and Webber/Miller respectively. Nowitzki gets 40+ minutes at forward. Jamison should have at least 35 minutes also. Finley gets 30+ unless he is cold like on Sunday, then he deserves around 10. Same with Nash, but I am hoping to see big performances out of those two today. It would be nice to see J-Ho and Marquis split 50, and Walker should get around 25-30.

And if Bradley doesn't play at least 20 minutes today, I will be convinced that Don Nelson nis trying his hardest to lose this series by his himself.