dallas-seatle straight up

[arkuo]

a simple trade is always better...

Dallas trades: SF Antawn Jamison (14.8 ppg, 6.3 rpg, 0.9 apg in 29.0 minutes)
SG Michael Finley (18.6 ppg, 4.5 rpg, 2.9 apg in 38.6 minutes)
Dallas receives: C Calvin Booth (4.9 ppg, 3.9 rpg, 0.4 apg in 17.0 minutes)
SG Ray Allen (23.0 ppg, 5.1 rpg, 4.8 apg in 38.4 minutes)
SG Brent Barry (10.8 ppg, 3.5 rpg, 5.8 apg in 30.6 minutes)
Change in team outlook: +5.3 ppg, +1.7 rpg, and +7.2 apg.

Seattle trades: C Calvin Booth (4.9 ppg, 3.9 rpg, 0.4 apg in 17.0 minutes)
SG Ray Allen (23.0 ppg, 5.1 rpg, 4.8 apg in 38.4 minutes)
SG Brent Barry (10.8 ppg, 3.5 rpg, 5.8 apg in 30.6 minutes)
Seattle receives: SF Antawn Jamison (14.8 ppg, 6.3 rpg, 0.9 apg in 82 games)
SG Michael Finley (18.6 ppg, 4.5 rpg, 2.9 apg in 72 games)
Change in team outlook: -5.3 ppg, -1.7 rpg, and -7.2 apg.

TRADE ACCEPTED

C- booth / fortson / bradley
PF- dirk / najera
SF- walker / howard
SG- allen / barry
PG- nash / quis / stefansson

we keep it simple.. i like ray allen more than michael finley IMO.. and i think he's a much better shooter too.. barry would bring instant offense of the bench.. stefansson deserves to have playing time having sat out his rookie season in the IL.. booth could be the center we need.. we get to keep walker for another season, see how he does, if we're unhappy, he makes a HUGE trade bait or some salary cap relief..

[bcrav4]

How about Seattle's 1st round pick instead of Ray Allen, and we can let Daniels start.

PS-I don't know how exactly that would work out, help anybody?

[dalmations202]

Let's see. This trade fixes nothing for either team. If not for the money, Seattle would do this in a heartbeat. Why would Dallas though. Allen - Finley are a wash. Booth brings nothing. He is not a banger, and not an athletic center. He doesn't play good D, and has no range on his shot. Not the answer. Jamison was the 6th man of the year, and you want to trade him for Barry who is older and asking for the MLE? ? Jamison brings more offense than Barry (although I like Barry alot).

Trade not thought through, just found on RealGM. Makes no sense to either side.

Seattle ends up with pieces they currently have, only these are maxed out with longer contracts now.

[birdsanctuary]

I like the deal you propose, and I favor Allen over Finley in end time situations, however I'd personally like the draft pick, keep Finley and draft a Center with the pick. I guess since NBA draft has Pavel going at the #12 I'd take him. I do think this team brings us back to where we were two years ago in the backcourt. We defended the perimeter moderately well, but we shot a hell of a lot of 3s. I think with those 4 in the backcourt Fin, Barry, Nash and Daniels, we are very versatile, and a lot deeper and more of a threat in the backcourt than this year. I would not be surprised if such a deal went down. Nice one Aruko!


C- fortson / bradley/Pavel
PF- dirk / najera/booth
SF- howard/walker (Remember Walk's our new 6th man)
SG- Finley / barry
PG- nash / quis / stefansson

[madape]

Allen and Finley are NOT a wash. Give me Ray Allen and I go away laughing.

I'm also a Barry fan and think he'd be a great fit here. I don't like giving up Jamison, but we'd be getting back too much talent to turn this one down.

[sike]

this trade does nothing in the way of helping the mavericks find a big....I suppose you are going to attempt to use walker for that??? any trade the mavs make will be for a big in one way or another

[kg_veteran]

Why does Seattle make that trade?

From a Dallas standpoint :

Rotation:

C - Booth/Bradley/Fortson 48
PF - Nowitzki/Najera 48
SF - Howard 30 - Daniels 18
SG - Allen 36 - Daniels 12
PG - Nash 30 - Barry 18

At that point, you're dominant in the backcourt and young and versatile at SF. You just need to upgrade the center spot, and you still have Walker and some cap room to do it. Dallas would have to do this deal if presented.

[Drbio]

Congrats arkuo....one deal I finally would do. But Seattle fans would probably rip you given the chance.

[bigox71]

I like this deal too, but Nellie would love it too much. Remember the coach.

Rotation:

C - Booth/Bradley/Fortson 48
PF - Nowitzki/Najera 48
SF - Howard 30 - Daniels 18
SG - Allen 36 - Daniels 12
PG - Nash 30 - Barry 18

This rotation would never happen. That would be a great group of players to pick up, but think about what would happen if you did pick them up. Booth, Bradley, and Fortson would be #s 10, 11, and 12 on the bench. They would never get on the court. Almost all the minutes would be minutes would be split up between Dirk, Howard, Daniels, Allen, Nash, Barry, and Walker (if he is still here). You can fill in whoever Walker is traded for. This trade would surely bring back small ball unless Walker were traded for a dominant center. Hopefully somehow we get this trade and that center that Nellie will play.

[MightyToine]

Originally posted by: bigox71
I like this deal too, but Nellie would love it too much. Remember the coach.

Rotation:

C - Booth/Bradley/Fortson 48
PF - Nowitzki/Najera 48
SF - Howard 30 - Daniels 18
SG - Allen 36 - Daniels 12
PG - Nash 30 - Barry 18

This rotation would never happen. That would be a great group of players to pick up, but think about what would happen if you did pick them up. Booth, Bradley, and Fortson would be #s 10, 11, and 12 on the bench. They would never get on the court. Almost all the minutes would be minutes would be split up between Dirk, Howard, Daniels, Allen, Nash, Barry, and Walker (if he is still here). You can fill in whoever Walker is traded for. This trade would surely bring back small ball unless Walker were traded for a dominant center. Hopefully somehow we get this trade and that center that Nellie will play.

Big Ox, Unless that "center" can shoot 3's, Nellie isn't playing him much.

[FilthyFinMavs]

Damn, if i'm Seattle I jump all over this trade. With our offense all Ray Allen would be able to do is set up and shoot 3s.

[dalmations202]

Originally posted by: madape
Allen and Finley are NOT a wash. Give me Ray Allen and I go away laughing.

I love when people undervalue the Mavs. It is as bad as Najera being overvalued.

Ray Allen
Year Team GMs MPG FG% FT% 3PT% RPG APG SPG BPG PPG
96-97 MIL 82 30.9 43.0 82.3 39.3 4.0 2.6 0.9 0.1 13.4
97-98 MIL 82 40.1 42.8 87.5 36.5 4.9 4.3 1.3 0.2 19.5
98-99 MIL 50 34.4 45.0 90.3 35.6 4.2 3.6 1.1 0.1 17.1
99-00 MIL 82 37.4 45.5 88.7 42.3 4.4 3.8 1.3 0.2 22.1
00-01 MIL 82 38.2 48.0 88.8 43.3 5.2 4.6 1.5 0.2 22.0
01-02 MIL 69 36.6 46.2 87.3 43.4 4.5 3.9 1.3 0.3 21.8
02-03 SEA 76 37.9 43.9 91.6 37.7 5.0 4.4 1.4 0.2 22.5
CAREER 523 36.6 45.0 88.2 40.2 4.6 3.9 1.3 0.2 19.9

Michael Finley
95-96 PHO 82 39.2 47.6 74.9 32.8 4.6 3.5 1.0 0.4 15.0
96-97 DAL 83 33.6 44.4 80.8 36.1 4.5 2.7 0.8 0.3 15.1
97-98 DAL 82 41.4 44.9 78.4 35.7 5.3 4.9 1.6 0.4 21.5
98-99 DAL 50 41.0 44.4 82.3 33.1 5.3 4.4 1.3 0.3 20.2
99-00 DAL 82 42.2 45.7 82.0 40.1 6.3 5.3 1.3 0.4 22.6
00-01 DAL 82 42.0 45.8 77.5 34.6 5.2 4.4 1.4 0.4 21.5
01-02 DAL 69 39.9 46.3 83.7 33.9 5.2 3.3 0.9 0.4 20.6
02-03 DAL 69 38.3 42.5 86.1 37.0 5.8 3.0 1.1 0.3 19.3
CAREER 599 39.7 45.2 80.2 35.7 5.3 4.0 1.2 0.4 19.4

Only 2 years difference in age. .5 pts per game difference in total pts. Profiles under hoopshype states that Allen is the soft defender, not Finley. Finley wins barely the rebounding, assists, blocks margin. Allen wins steals, and FT/3pt percentages. All the statistics say that these two players are basically the same player. Statistically speaking these two players are a WASH. Both are max paid players.

[sike]

Originally posted by: dalmations202

I love when people undervalue the Mavs. It is as bad as Najera being overvalued.

Ray Allen
Year Team GMs MPG FG% FT% 3PT% RPG APG SPG BPG PPG
96-97 MIL 82 30.9 43.0 82.3 39.3 4.0 2.6 0.9 0.1 13.4
97-98 MIL 82 40.1 42.8 87.5 36.5 4.9 4.3 1.3 0.2 19.5
98-99 MIL 50 34.4 45.0 90.3 35.6 4.2 3.6 1.1 0.1 17.1
99-00 MIL 82 37.4 45.5 88.7 42.3 4.4 3.8 1.3 0.2 22.1
00-01 MIL 82 38.2 48.0 88.8 43.3 5.2 4.6 1.5 0.2 22.0
01-02 MIL 69 36.6 46.2 87.3 43.4 4.5 3.9 1.3 0.3 21.8
02-03 SEA 76 37.9 43.9 91.6 37.7 5.0 4.4 1.4 0.2 22.5
CAREER 523 36.6 45.0 88.2 40.2 4.6 3.9 1.3 0.2 19.9

Michael Finley
95-96 PHO 82 39.2 47.6 74.9 32.8 4.6 3.5 1.0 0.4 15.0
96-97 DAL 83 33.6 44.4 80.8 36.1 4.5 2.7 0.8 0.3 15.1
97-98 DAL 82 41.4 44.9 78.4 35.7 5.3 4.9 1.6 0.4 21.5
98-99 DAL 50 41.0 44.4 82.3 33.1 5.3 4.4 1.3 0.3 20.2
99-00 DAL 82 42.2 45.7 82.0 40.1 6.3 5.3 1.3 0.4 22.6
00-01 DAL 82 42.0 45.8 77.5 34.6 5.2 4.4 1.4 0.4 21.5
01-02 DAL 69 39.9 46.3 83.7 33.9 5.2 3.3 0.9 0.4 20.6
02-03 DAL 69 38.3 42.5 86.1 37.0 5.8 3.0 1.1 0.3 19.3
CAREER 599 39.7 45.2 80.2 35.7 5.3 4.0 1.2 0.4 19.4

Only 2 years difference in age. .5 pts per game difference in total pts. Profiles under hoopshype states that Allen is the soft defender, not Finley. Finley wins barely the rebounding, assists, blocks margin. Allen wins steals, and FT/3pt percentages. All the statistics say that these two players are basically the same player. Statistically speaking these two players are a WASH. Both are max paid players.

would love to know the difference between free throw attempted.

[dalmations202]

In 8 years Finley has made: 1872 of 2333 attempted
In 7 years Allen has made: 1954 of 2215 attempted

yes, Allen gets to the line a little more, but not alot more. Yes he is a slightly better FT shooter, but not dramatically.


Finley is also 2" taller.

[FilthyFinMavs]

dalmations202,

With the exception of Dirk everyone on this team is undervalued. And most of the time its funny because one minute they undervalue a certain player and the next minute they are proposing to trade him for a talent.

[ddh33]

Amen.

It seems to me that Maverick fans see only the flaws of the players on this team. Michael Finley is the prime example, but there are others. In the process, they overlook all the good things that these players can do.

[madape]

Sorry, I'm not buying it. Let's get real about Finley.

One of the leagues best kept secrets is that Finley is an absolutely terrible defender. I've seen it with my own eyes enough to know. He can't keep a snail in front of him. What's worse is that lately he looks like he doesn't give a damn. In years past, he was terrible, but at least it looked like he was trying. I guess that's why he got the reputation of being an average defender. Not anymore.

His other weakness is ball handling skills. He's incapable of creating his own shot. He can't drive right. Having him run point is out of the question. He's easy to defend one on one. He is what he is... a perimeter shooter who can throw down nasty dunks on people when given an open path to the basket.

His good numbers early on in Dallas were the result of two things: 1) There being no other players worth a crap on this team. 2) Leading the league in minutes every year. In his youth, Finley was a player who relied mostly on athleticism to get an advantage over his opponents. Now that his athleticism is starting to go, he is beginning to look like a very average player. In fact, his scoring numbers have gone down five straight years.

Ray Allen, on the other hand, is probably the second best two guard in the NBA right now behind Kobe. If he's not the best perimeter shooter in the league, he's in the top three... a career 40% three-point shooter. He can also create his own shot due to very good ball-handling skills. He can run point. He can drive. Allen's scoring numbers LAST year were better than anything Finley has ever been able to put up in his ENTIRE career. He is a true superstar.

I don't hate Finley. I'm just trying to be realistic here. Ray Allen and Finley a wash?!?!? Only to the absolute Maverick homer..



Ranks #4 in the NBA in Free-Throw Percentage(0.904)
Ranks #16 in the NBA in Minutes Per Game(38.4)
Ranks #11 in the NBA in Three-Point Field Goals Made(148.0)
Ranks #15 in the NBA in Three-Point Field Goal Attempts(378.0)
Ranks #14 in the NBA in Field Goals Per 48 Minutes(9.97)
Ranks #14 in the NBA in Field-Goal Attempts Per 48 Minutes(22.68)
Ranks #5 in the NBA in Three-Point Field Goals Per 48 Minutes(3.3)
Ranks #7 in the NBA in Points Per 48 Minutes(28.7)
Ranks #15 in the NBA in Efficiency Ranking(20.91)

[FilthyFinMavs]

The reason for Fin's decrease in statistics last year wasn't because of him. It had more to do with having 4 other guys who average over 14 a game on his team not to mention the emergence of Marquis Daniels and Josh Howard. Saying Ray Allen is the 2nd best shooting guard in the league isn't saying much. That's like saying Brad Miller is the 3rd best center in the league. After Shaq and Yao there is a huge dropoff point. I disagree with him being a terrible defender. A terrible defender is Dirk Nowitzki. I can't sit here and call a 6'7 225 shooting guard a bad defender because he can't guard Mike Bibby and Tony Parker. Fin's handles are bad. They've been bad for quite awhile now. They've never been any good. Fin's getting older. That's no mystery but i've yet to see signs of him declining. Sure his point total and rebounding is down but is that due to him or the players around him? Who do we blame for Dirk's decrease in rebounding and point total? What about Nash's point total. Is this they're fault or is it the production of hte players around him? That's what it comes down to here. We end up comparing him to Marquis and Dirk but Fin is what he is. A great 3 point shooter and decent mid range shooter who if he wants can drive to the lane and hit you with a hook or can fadeaway with a mid range jumper. His defense is nothing to rave about but there are only about a handful of guys in this league who are known are good defenders anyway. Fin's the same player he was when he was making all star teams but he has had two stars emerge in Dirk and Nash and it seems as if it has put a blindfold over fans eyes of what Fin is capable of doing.

[dalmations202]

I don't hate Finley. I'm just trying to be realistic here. Ray Allen and Finley a wash?!?!? Only to the absolute Maverick homer..

Its funny. When you talk about Bradley, man statistics mean alot. When you are talking about someone you don't like....just the opposite. I like Ray Allen, but he is not that much better than Finley, and stats prove it. I didn't say he wasn't better, but that difference is very small. I've watched them both myself for their whole careers, and you see the bad of Finley and the good of Allen. I assure you that both are good, and both have flaws. Allen is not a defensive stallwart. He is not the savior of the Mavericks. If you change Allen and Finley, you will see very little difference in the team.

I don't understand KG's response earlier either.

At that point, you're dominant in the backcourt and young and versatile at SF

Barry is older than Finley. The SF you have now in Howard/Jamison is young and you have the proven scorer in Jamison. If you are going to make the SF Howard/Daniels, then trade Jamison for a true Center, not a backup Center for a team that is levels below the Mavs.

If you argument is about Finley playing for bad teams, I haven't seen any team Allen played for make it to the Conference Finals.

If you think that Ray Allen is that much better, then more power to you, I will just agree to disagree -- and stand by the stats that prove it.

[FilthyFinMavs]

Last year I would've said Finley and Allen was a wash but I think you have to give the edge to Ray Allen but not by much. Actually Ray Allen has the term "soft" labeled above him by everyone around the league. I can't remember who gave it to him but I think it was George Karl but I could be wrong here. I'm not sure if I want to add another soft player to my squad but thats just me. Fin's not the problem with this team. The problem with this team starts in the interior on defense. Bringing in Ray Allen doesn't change that. And if we are talking about Finley getting older and declining like dalmations 202 said above what do you say about Brent Barry? Is his progression going up?

[kg_veteran]

Originally posted by: dalmations202

Its funny. When you talk about Bradley, man statistics mean alot. When you are talking about someone you don't like....just the opposite. I like Ray Allen, but he is not that much better than Finley, and stats prove it. I didn't say he wasn't better, but that difference is very small. I've watched them both myself for their whole careers, and you see the bad of Finley and the good of Allen. I assure you that both are good, and both have flaws. Allen is not a defensive stallwart. He is not the savior of the Mavericks. If you change Allen and Finley, you will see very little difference in the team.

I don't think anyone has declared Allen the savior of the team. In my opinion, the Mavs would still need to add another center AFTER this trade. But the trade DOES upgrade the team.

Let's talk about stats. In the past 4 years, Finley posted an impressive 20 ppg, 5.1 rpg, 3.4 apg on 44.7 FG%, 36.5 3P%, 83.0 FT%. In the past 4 years, Allen posted 22.3 ppg, 4.9 rpg, 4.4 apg on 45.5 FG%, 40.9 3P%, 89.5 FT%. Most impressively, Allen's points-per-shot (PPS), the best indicator of offensive efficiency, was 1.30 PPS, as compared with Finley's 1.14 PPS.

I love Michael Finley. But there is a substantial difference between the two players, and I haven't talked about anything but stats yet.

I don't understand KG's response earlier either.

Barry is older than Finley. The SF you have now in Howard/Jamison is young and you have the proven scorer in Jamison. If you are going to make the SF Howard/Daniels, then trade Jamison for a true Center, not a backup Center for a team that is levels below the Mavs.

If you argument is about Finley playing for bad teams, I haven't seen any team Allen played for make it to the Conference Finals.

If you think that Ray Allen is that much better, then more power to you, I will just agree to disagree -- and stand by the stats that prove it.

Allen did make it to the conference finals with Milwaukee.

The reason I said you're dominant in the backcourt is that Barry is an excellent backup PG (something we don't have now), and Allen is an upgrade over Finley.

The reason I said you're young and versatile at SF is that essentially Howard and Daniels are your SFs. You're going to get better defense out of those two than you would out of Howard and Jamison. You lose some rebounding, but I don't know that you lose a ton of scoring. Daniels doesn't give you as much as Jamison, but he would be an excellent bench scorer, IMO.

[dalmations202]

The reason I said you're dominant in the backcourt is that Barry is an excellent backup PG (something we don't have now), and Allen is an upgrade over Finley.

OK, I can live with that. You have improved your backup PG dramatically, and upgraded in Allen over Fin - I don't think it would be as big an upgrade as most people think, but yes an upgrade (he, like Finley, would get fewer shots).

The reason I said you're young and versatile at SF is that essentially Howard and Daniels are your SFs. You're going to get better defense out of those two than you would out of Howard and Jamison. You lose some rebounding, but I don't know that you lose a ton of scoring. Daniels doesn't give you as much as Jamison, but he would be an excellent bench scorer, IMO.

I don't know that you lose a ton of scoring, but I think it would be more than the difference in the upgrade from Finley to Allen.

So from my books, you have upgraded the SG and backup PG, but downgraded the SF.

I guess I think that Jamison would be worth alot more for getting Diop or Battie, Ostertag, and the #10, or Chandler, or something alot more valuable than Booth and a 34 year old Barry (and I like the idea of Barry here).

I see Finley for Allen, yes - but only a small upgrade. I see Jamison for Booth - Barry as a sizable downgrade.

[kg_veteran]

I can live with that. There might be better uses for Jamison if you intend to trade him, but considering that you could move Walker for center help, I think that the trade still works pretty well.

[arkuo]

hey you guys, we forgot one thing.. this i guess is to our advantage..

if we don't like allen's game here in dallas, he could also make another trade bait. just like walker.

with 2 expiring max out contracts, i'd bet the mavs front office is gonna flood with phone calls. especially from teams who are way above luxury tax levels..

who knows, maybe we could still land another solid big man in curry or chandler..

i like barry too.. he could play PG or SG..

it's true, allen is almost equal to finley, both have similar contracts, both have almost the same playing style, but allen's contract is THREE (3) years shorter than finley.. just think of the savings.. if we don't like him here, we can just let him walk away as a FA.. we still have barry and quis..

the only downside is that allen is 2 inches shorter.. but i don't think that would bother much.. do you?

[arkuo]

Originally posted by: sike
this trade does nothing in the way of helping the mavericks find a big....I suppose you are going to attempt to use walker for that??? any trade the mavs make will be for a big in one way or another

yeah, we could trade walker for a dominant center.. together with allen and their fat expiring contracts, we're sure to get someone worthy of playing minutes in the 5 spot.. we just need to choose who to keep for the rest of the season..

the formula..
walker or allen + bradley of fortson = servicable big man..

[arkuo]

if you don't like booth, we could land jerome james instead of him.. together with barry and allen for finley and jamison..

doesn't make much difference.. only that james is a little bit taller than booth..

your ideas are also good.. we could give them finley, jamison and our 2nd rounder for allen, a re-signed barry and their 1st rounder.. we could still throw in some filler to move up in the draft if needed.. what do you think?

[arkuo]

I see Finley for Allen, yes - but only a small upgrade. I see Jamison for Booth - Barry as a sizable downgrade.

it's not relly much of a downgrade.. we have to think in seattle's point of view.. i don't think they're crazy enough to just trade allen for finley.. finley's contract is THREE (3) years longer.. 3 years man.. 3 years..

that's the reason why we should compensate or at leats give a little compliment in their favor to make this trade as close to reality.. i mean, you wouldn't make a trade if it wasn't in your advantage right? so seattle and dallas or any team for that matter may and should have the same thoughts.. it's just plain common sense, you do a trade because of your team's needs.. if it weren't to help your team (not to mention pull you down further) then why make the trade in the 1st place.. that's exactly the reason why we give up all star calibur in jamison for a servicable SG or PG in barry and an average center in booth..

we lose some, we gain some.. sounds fair to me..

[arkuo]

or... we could get invovled in a 3 team trade with golden state..

Dallas trades: SG Michael Finley (18.6 ppg, 4.5 rpg, 2.9 apg in 38.6 minutes)
SF Antawn Jamison (14.8 ppg, 6.3 rpg, 0.9 apg in 29.0 minutes)
C Shawn Bradley (3.3 ppg, 2.6 rpg, 0.3 apg in 11.7 minutes)
PG Tony Delk (6.0 ppg, 1.8 rpg, 0.9 apg in 15.4 minutes)
Dallas receives: C Calvin Booth (4.9 ppg, 3.9 rpg, 0.4 apg in 17.0 minutes)
SG Brent Barry (10.8 ppg, 3.5 rpg, 5.8 apg in 30.6 minutes)
PG Nick Van Exel (12.6 ppg, 2.7 rpg, 5.3 apg in 32.2 minutes)
C Erick Dampier (12.3 ppg, 12.0 rpg, 0.8 apg in 32.5 minutes)
Change in team outlook: -2.1 ppg, +6.9 rpg, and +7.3 apg.

Seattle trades: SG Ray Allen (23.0 ppg, 5.1 rpg, 4.8 apg in 38.4 minutes)
C Calvin Booth (4.9 ppg, 3.9 rpg, 0.4 apg in 17.0 minutes)
SG Brent Barry (10.8 ppg, 3.5 rpg, 5.8 apg in 30.6 minutes)
Seattle receives: SG Michael Finley (18.6 ppg, 4.5 rpg, 2.9 apg in 72 games)
SF Antawn Jamison (14.8 ppg, 6.3 rpg, 0.9 apg in 82 games)
Change in team outlook: -5.3 ppg, -1.7 rpg, and -7.2 apg.

Golden State trades: PG Nick Van Exel (12.6 ppg, 2.7 rpg, 5.3 apg in 32.2 minutes)
C Erick Dampier (12.3 ppg, 12.0 rpg, 0.8 apg in 32.5 minutes)
Golden State receives: C Shawn Bradley (3.3 ppg, 2.6 rpg, 0.3 apg in 66 games)
PG Tony Delk (6.0 ppg, 1.8 rpg, 0.9 apg in 33 games)
SG Ray Allen (23.0 ppg, 5.1 rpg, 4.8 apg in 56 games)
Change in team outlook: +7.4 ppg, -5.2 rpg, and -0.1 apg.

TRADE ACCEPTED

the initial trade is the same.. it's just that we give allen to golden state with bradley and delk for NVE and dampier..

C- dampier / booth / fortson
PF- dirk / najera
SF- walker / howard
SG- quis / barry
PG- nash / NVE

now that's better.. we get the NVE and nash combo back.. either quis or barry could start.. dampier is defintely an upgrade in the 5 spot.. the 3 man rotation in dampier booth and fortson could share good minutes in center..

[bcrav4]

Even if Allen is a SLIGHTLY better offensive player, Finley is a MUCH better defensive player. And right now the Mavs need defense!

[Murphy3]

Originally posted by: bcrav4
Even if Allen is a SLIGHTLY better offensive player, Finley is a MUCH better defensive player. And right now the Mavs need defense!

I sincerely don't buy that. Fin always shows flashes on the defensive end, but there's really very few 2 guards in the NBA in which Finley is a 'much' better defensive player.

[dalmations202]

C- dampier / booth / fortson
PF- dirk / najera
SF- walker / howard
SG- quis / barry
PG- nash / NVE

now that's better.. we get the NVE and nash combo back.. either quis or barry could start.. dampier is defintely an upgrade in the 5 spot.. the 3 man rotation in dampier booth and fortson could share good minutes in center..

Does this team above beat the Detroit team that is playing now? LA, San Antonio, Indiana, Minnesota, Sacramento? ?