GOOOORRRRROOOOAAAARRRRR! Part II

[madape]

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Former U.S. Vice President Al Gore (news - web sites) on Thursday accused President Bush (news - web sites) of telling "an artful and important lie" soon after the Sept. 11 attacks to set the stage for war on Iraq (news - web sites).

"Beginning very soon after the attacks of 9/11, President Bush made a decision to start mentioning Osama bin Laden (news - web sites) and Saddam Hussein (news - web sites) in the same breath in a cynical mantra designed to fuse them together as one in the public's mind," Gore said in a speech at Georgetown University Law Center.

Gore, a Democrat who lost to Bush in a White House race ultimately decided by the Supreme Court despite winning the popular vote in 2000, cited the recent report by the Sept. 11 commission saying no credible evidence existed of a link between the Iraqi leader and bin Laden.

He said Bush and Vice President Dick Cheney (news - web sites) continue to argue for a connection between bin Laden's al Qaeda network and the deposed Iraqi regime because it supports their push for war in Iraq and justifies "some of the new power they've picked up from the Congress and the courts" since the 2001 hijack attacks in New York, Washington and Pennsylvania.


"As a result, President Bush is now intentionally misleading the American people," Gore said. "Indeed, Bush's consistent and careful artifice is itself evidence that he knew full well that he was telling an artful and important lie -- visibly circumnavigating the truth over and over again as if he had practiced how to avoid encountering the truth."

In an hour-long address punctuated by polite laughter and applause, Gore also accused the Bush administration of working closely "with a network of 'rapid response' digital Brown Shirts who work to pressure reporters and their editors for 'undermining support for our troops."'

[mavsman55]

Now remind me while people are listening to Gore in the first place?

[Mavdog]

All i know is he isn't trying to speak to the average voter with phrases like ""Indeed, Bush's consistent and careful artifice is itself evidence that he knew full well that he was telling an artful and important lie -- visibly circumnavigating the truth over and over again as if he had practiced how to avoid encountering the truth."

[FishForLunch]

Our country really dodged a bullet, I would gladly have Kerry as my president compared to Gore.

[dude1394]

Good lord, the dems are now represented by algore, michael moore, teddy kennedy, howard dean. How can you live with yourselves????

Latest fisking gore...It's a beaut.

gore gored

Al Gore gave another speech yesterday that leaves me wondering what universe he calls home. How someone of his caliber could come so close to becoming president is frankly very scary. Let's take a look at what he had to say and put it into some context.

"They dare not admit the truth lest they look like complete fools for launching our country into a reckless, discretionary war against a nation that posed no immediate threat to us whatsoever." Al Gore- June 24, 2004

Gore wants you to ignore:

"Iraq's search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible to deter and we should assume that it will continue for as long as Saddam is in power." Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002.

Larry King: The president pointed out that everyone agreed with this decision: the Security Council, the Joint Chiefs, yourself. Since he did mention you, was that tough for you to say yes to an OK to bomb people?

Gore: No, it was not, because if you allow someone like Saddam Hussein to get nuclear weapons, ballistic missiles, chemical weapons, biological weapons, how many people is he going to kill with such weapons? He’s already demonstrated a willingness to use these weapons; he poison gassed his own people. He used poison gas and other weapons of mass destruction against his neighbors. This man has no compunctions about killing lots and lots of people. So this is a way to save lives and to save the stability and peace of a region of the world that is important to the peace and security of the entire world.” -CNN’s “Larry King Live,” December 16, 1998

“Even if we give first priority to the destruction of terrorist networks, and even if we succeed, there are still governments that could bring us great harm. And there is a clear case that one of these governments in particular represents a virulent threat in a class by itself: Iraq. As far as I am concerned, a final reckoning with that government should be on the table.” (Al Gore, Remarks To The U.S. Council On Foreign Relations, Washington, DC, February 12, 2002)

"I am absolutely convinced that there are weapons...I saw evidence back in 1998 when we would see the inspectors being barred from gaining entry into a warehouse for three hours with trucks rolling up and then moving those trucks out." -- Clinton's Secretary of Defense William Cohen in April of 2003

"We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is seeking and developing weapons of mass destruction." -- Ted Kennedy, September 27, 2002

"As a member of the House Intelligence Committee, I am keenly aware that the proliferation of chemical and biological weapons is an issue of grave importance to all nations. Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process." -- Nancy Pelosi, December 16, 1998

“We need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal, murderous, dictator, leading an oppressive regime. We all know the litany of his offenses. He presents a particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to miscalculation. He miscalculated an eight-year war with Iran. He miscalculated the invasion of Kuwait. He miscalculated America’s response to that act of naked aggression. He miscalculated the result of setting oil rigs on fire. He miscalculated the impact of sending scuds into Israel and trying to assassinate an American President. He miscalculated his own military strength. He miscalculated the Arab world’s response to his misconduct. And now he is miscalculating America’s response to his continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction. That is why the world, through the United States Security Council, has spoken with one voice, demanding that Iraq disclose its weapons program and disarm.” - John Kerry 01/23/03

And then there was this recent announcement from Russian President Putin:

The Kremlin leader, who was speaking in the Kazakh capital, said Russian intelligence services had many times received information that Saddam's special forces were preparing terrorist attacks in the United States "and beyond its borders on American military and civilian targets."

Moving on to his next allegation:

"So when the bipartisan 9/11 commission issued its report finding 'no credible evidence' of an Iraq-al-Qaida connection, it should not have come as a surprise. It should not have caught the White House off guard."


Gore wants you to forget:

Take, for example, the original indictment of bin Laden by the US Justice Department in spring 1998, which stated: ". . . al-Qa'eda reached an understanding with the government of Iraq that al-Qa'eda would not work against that government and that on particular projects, specifically including weapons development, al-Qa'eda would work co-operatively with the Government of Iraq." LINK

The excitement was over a preliminary assessment of evidence about al-Qa'eda by the US commission investigating September 11. The only problem was that the press coverage was untrue. The report does not rule out links between Saddam Hussein and al-Qa'eda. On the contrary, as the commission's chairman, Thomas Kean, confirmed: "There were contacts between Iraq and al-Qa'eda, a number of them, some of them a little shadowy. They were definitely there." LINK

Moving on:

"We deserve to know what and why it's being done in our name,"

Gore wants you to forget:

"There is no controlling legal authority that says this was in violation of law." - Al Gore 3/3/1997

It is time for the Democrats to tell Al Gore to fade into the sunset. The more he appears in public, the less likely people are to vote for members of his party. His hatred for this adminstration is palpable, so much so that he has given up any hope of returning to politics in an effort to discredit the man who beat him. Gore could not win his own state in 2000, and now we know why. Posted by Tim at June 25, 2004 01:46 AM | TrackBack
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[madape]

"Iraq's search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible to deter and we should assume that it will continue for as long as Saddam is in power." Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002.

"If you allow someone like Saddam Hussein to get nuclear weapons, ballistic missiles, chemical weapons, biological weapons, how many people is he going to kill with such weapons? He’s already demonstrated a willingness to use these weapons; he poison gassed his own people. He used poison gas and other weapons of mass destruction against his neighbors. This man has no compunctions about killing lots and lots of people. So this is a way to save lives and to save the stability and peace of a region of the world that is important to the peace and security of the entire world.” -CNN’s “Larry King Live,” December 16, 1998

“Even if we give first priority to the destruction of terrorist networks, and even if we succeed, there are still governments that could bring us great harm. And there is a clear case that one of these governments in particular represents a virulent threat in a class by itself: Iraq. As far as I am concerned, a final reckoning with that government should be on the table.” (Al Gore, Remarks To The U.S. Council On Foreign Relations, Washington, DC, February 12, 2002)

[mavsman55]

Al Gore has absolutely no business accusing anyone else of lying just a few short years after he was the accomplice to the only american president who was perfectly willing to openly/blatantly lie under oath directly to the U.S. people.

[Mavdog]

Originally posted by: mavsman55
Al Gore has absolutely no business accusing anyone else of lying just a few short years after he was the accomplice to the only american president who was perfectly willing to openly/blatantly lie under oath directly to the U.S. people.

By that stellar logic anybody who has violated the law (or anybody "accomplice") is unqualified to identify anybody else doing the same, and they should cover their eyes and ignore it. uh huh...[img]i/expressions/rolleye.gif[/img]

Lies by a President to the American people? Not an exclusive club by any means, here's just two recent examples:

"I am not a crook". Richard M. Nixon

"“We did not–repeat, did not–trade weapons or anything else for hostages, nor will we,” Ronald Reagan

[dude1394]

I want Al Gore to continue bellowing. The quicker the democratic party is disgraced electorially the better for the country. Then possibly harold ford or other responsible politicians can come to the fore, kicking out michael moore, ted kennedy, kkk byrd etc.

The quicker the democratic party excises those cancers the better for all of us. Very irresponsible individuals, which they are showing daily.

It's funny isn't it, it almost always takes some sort of crisis to test the mettle of a man. The democratic party's mettle is being tested. It is "choosing poorly".

[mavsman55]

Originally posted by: Mavdog

By that stellar logic anybody who has violated the law (or anybody "accomplice") is unqualified to identify anybody else doing the same, and they should cover their eyes and ignore it. uh huh...[img]i/expressions/rolleye.gif[/img]

Lies by a President to the American people? Not an exclusive club by any means, here's just two recent examples:

"I am not a crook". Richard M. Nixon

"“We did not–repeat, did not–trade weapons or anything else for hostages, nor will we,” Ronald Reagan

Did Reagan or Nixon ever accuse another politician of lying? No. This is a little concept known as hypocrisy. It just doesnt make much sense to accuse others of doing things that you've done in the past.

[Drbio]

Don't confuse the liberal doofus with facts mavsman. He's messed up enough already. [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif[/img]

[Mavdog]

Originally posted by: mavsman55

Did Reagan or Nixon ever accuse another politician of lying? No.

You said "he was the accomplice to the only american president who was perfectly willing to openly/blatantly lie under oath directly to the U.S. people", which is totally, absolutely false as I've easily shown.

This is a little concept known as hypocrisy. It just doesnt make much sense to accuse others of doing things that you've done in the past.

So you have an example of Al Gore lying? Please show it...otherwise he couldn't be guilty of thise supposed hypocrisy, could he?

[mavsman55]

You said "he was the accomplice to the only american president who was perfectly willing to openly/blatantly lie under oath directly to the U.S. people", which is totally, absolutely false as I've easily shown.

When?

I already said what I needed to say, just read it.

You are fine with absolutely everything as long as it's supportive of democrats. So I'm not fighting with you any longer.

[Mavdog]

Originally posted by: mavsman55

When?

See above quotes of Richard nixon and Ronald Reagan. I'm not sure how you could have missed them.

I already said what I needed to say, just read it.

I did, it's bogus. wrong. incorrect.

You are fine with absolutely everything as long as it's supportive of democrats. So I'm not fighting with you any longer.

can't handle being corrected, eh?

[mavsman55]

You never proved anything. You just disagreed.

[Drbio]

That's his MO mavsman...he will just spew out crap like, "I proved you wrong" or "can't stand being corrected?" or "my mommy is bigger than yours". You know....weak ass crap like that from an even weaker mind.

It's the same crap day after day after day .....you get the picture.


The pathetic thing is that I think he actually believes he has made a point. Sad huh?

[Mavdog]

Assertion: "he was the accomplice to the only american president who was perfectly willing to openly/blatantly lie under oath directly to the U.S. people"
Was Clinton "the only American President ...to openly lie under oath directly to the U.S. people"?
Fact: Richard Nixon and Ronald Reagam both lied to the U.S. people.
assertion false. point invalid.

I noticed the failure to provide any lies by Gore to back up the hypocrite remark. We'll put that one in the same place as the president mistake.

of course, I expect a response where you ignore all this.
but those are the facts.
so long.

[dude1394]

Ok, the accomplice to the second president impeached. I don't think Nixon and Reagan lied to a grand jury. Better?

Here's a lie by gore:

Beginning very soon after the attacks of 9/11, President Bush made a decision to start mentioning Osama bin Laden (news - web sites) and Saddam Hussein (news - web sites) in the same breath in a cynical mantra designed to fuse them together as one in the public's mind," Gore said in a speech at Georgetown University Law Center.

Here's another lie by gore:

As a result, President Bush is now intentionally misleading the American people," Gore said. "Indeed, Bush's consistent and careful artifice is itself evidence that he knew full well that he was telling an artful and important lie -- visibly circumnavigating the truth over and over again as if he had practiced how to avoid encountering the truth."

[Drbio]

so long.

We should be so lucky. [img]i/expressions/rolleye.gif[/img]

[Mavdog]

Originally posted by: dude1394
Ok, the accomplice to the second president impeached. I don't think Nixon and Reagan lied to a grand jury. Better?

Here's a lie by gore:

Here's another lie by gore:

Those statements can't be proven true or false dude. it's rhetoric.

[mavsman55]

If the statements are "rhetoric" and aren't able to be proved true or false, then why are so many people actually believing this pointless crap Al Gore lets out of his mouth?

[Drbio]

Originally posted by: mavsman55
You never proved anything. You just disagreed.

It his way. He will never give you anything tangible. Only weak ass smoke, mirrors and misdirection. Of course, there really is nothing else to do when you are always wrong.

[Mavdog]

Originally posted by: Drbio

It his way. He will never give you anything tangible. Only weak ass smoke, mirrors and misdirection. Of course, there really is nothing else to do when you are always wrong.

poor bio, his feelings must have been bruised when he was proven to be a dolt.
wait, correct that to say a vulgar dolt.

[Drbio]

Wow...another ignorant off topic attempt at misdirection by Mavdork.

Raise your hand if you were surprised.