Terry Kerry: Ms. Congeniality with The Press--"SHOVE IT!"

[MavKikiNYC]

Updated: 11:11 AM EDT
Heinz Kerry Tells Reporter to 'Shove It'
By PETER JACKSON, AP

BOSTON (July 25) - Teresa Heinz Kerry urged her home-state delegates to the Democratic National Convention to restore a more civil tone to American politics, then minutes later told a newspaperman to "shove it."

"We need to turn back some of the creeping, un-Pennsylvanian and sometimes un-American traits that are coming into some of our politics," the wife of Sen. John Kerry told her fellow Pennsylvanians on Sunday night at a Massachusetts Statehouse reception.

Minutes later, Colin McNickle, the editorial page editor of the conservative Pittsburgh Tribune-Review, questioned her on what she meant by the term "un-American," according to a tape of the encounter recorded by Pittsburgh television station WTAE.

Heinz Kerry said, "I didn't say that" several times to McNickle. She then turned to confer with Pennsylvania Gov. Ed Rendell and others. When she faced McNickle again a short time later, he continued to question her, and she replied, "You said something I didn't say. Now shove it."

The Pennsylvania delegation was the first to be visited by the wife of Kerry, the presumptive Democratic nominee. Before her encounter with McNickle, she criticized the tenor of modern political campaigns, without being specific.

Vice President Dick Cheney recently came under criticism for using a four-letter obscenity in an exchange with Sen. Patrick Leahy, D-Vt., on the Senate floor. He later was unapologetic about the remark, saying: "I felt better after I said it."

[MavKikiNYC]

Only the little people have to deal with the churlish media.

[Drbio]

bitch.

[madape]

I've said it from the start, but displaying that crusty white foreign billionaire so promenently is a big mistake for Kerry. She is a constant reminder of everything wrong with Kerry as a candidate.

[Drbio]

Liar Liar pants on fire.....Hannity just played the sound bite on his radio show. Heinz-Kerry isa confirmed liar.

[MavKikiNYC]

WWLS? (What would Laura say?)

[LRB]

How can anyone in public life be that stupid?

[Drbio]

I'm just waiting for Mavdog to come in here and say she was taken out of context or something equally as stupid. It was crystal clear.


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[Lvubun1]

Is this worse then Vice Prez Cheney saying "Go Fuck Yourself" on the Senate floor?

[Drbio]

Cheney didn't lie about it. So yes, it is worse. I don't have a problem with heinz-Kerry telling a media boor to shove it...most of them should be told that on a daily basis. What I have a huge problem with is her telling lie after lie after lie when she was caught on tape stating it. She was called out and hammered like the lie telling skank she is. Therein lies the problem.

[MavKikiNYC]

Originally posted by: Lvubun1
Is this worse then Vice Prez Cheney saying "Go Fuck Yourself" on the Senate floor?

They're not quite comparable either. If it came right down to it, Cheney's utterance was more vulgar, but it was directed at more-or-less a peer, in a controlled context. Rightly or wrongly, Cheney walks away with his reputation as an iron-fisted power-broker enhanced. (Pat Leahy walks away minus a testicle.)

By contrast, for Kerry, Terry Kerry's vulgarity injects a further element of unpredictability into his image as a potential president. If he's having trouble projecting an image of being 'in touch' with the average American, does it hurt him for his gold-digging ultra-rich wife to demonstrate a Leona Helmsley sensibility and have it caught on video? And then have her lie about it? Absolutely. When his breast-baring whore-actress of a daughter skanks out nekkid at Cannes? Absolutely.
All the more when that family is compared to the every-family Dubya and Laura.

Yeah, I'd say it's a problem.

[sturm und drang]

Originally posted by: MavKikiNYC
WWLS? (What would Laura say?)

Who?




Oh, that's right! The president has a wife. Sometimes I forget.

[PlanoJ]

Originally posted by: MavKikiNYC

They're not quite comparable either. If it came right down to it, Cheney's utterance was more vulgar, but it was directed at more-or-less a peer, in a controlled context. Rightly or wrongly, Cheney walks away with his reputation as an iron-fisted power-broker enhanced. (Pat Leahy walks away minus a testicle.)

By contrast, for Kerry, Terry Kerry's vulgarity injects a further element of unpredictability into his image as a potential president. If he's having trouble projecting an image of being 'in touch' with the average American, does it hurt him for his gold-digging ultra-rich wife to demonstrate a Leona Helmsley sensibility and have it caught on video? And then have her lie about it? Absolutely. When his breast-baring whore-actress of a daughter skanks out nekkid at Cannes? Absolutely.
All the more when that family is compared to the every-family Dubya and Laura.

Yeah, I'd say it's a problem.

The context if anything makes it worse. On the Senate floor Cheney tells a Senator to go Fuck himself when he asks about his connections with Haliburton and this is somehow more excusable than what Kerry did. She told a reporter whose paper had routinely misquoted her to go shove it. Less vulgar, in private, and to a paparazi type.

The all-American family. Yeah, a dad who did Coke in college and gets drunk driving tickets whose daughters both get cought drinking under age. And how exactly is Heinz-Kerry gold digging. She married a less wealthy man.

[FishForLunch]

I'm just waiting for Mavdog to come in here and say she was taken out of context or something equally as stupid. It was crystal clear.

Looks like Mavdog and Reeds are in Boston, no sign of them on the boards today

[MavKikiNYC]

The context if anything makes it worse. On the Senate floor Cheney tells a Senator to go Fuck himself when he asks about his connections with Haliburton and this is somehow more excusable than what Kerry did. She told a reporter whose paper had routinely misquoted her to go shove it. Less vulgar, in private, and to a paparazi type.

The all-American family. Yeah, a dad who did Coke in college and gets drunk driving tickets whose daughters both get cought drinking under age. And how exactly is Heinz-Kerry gold digging. She married a less wealthy man.

1) Cheney's comment was acknolwedged to be more vulgar. But I"m offering my opinion as to the effect on public perception of Bush (Cheney) and Kerry as candidates. The context works, IMO, in favor of Cheney, because it was insular--there were no cameras there to catch it in its visceral rawness. The reporting of it serves to re-inforce Cheney's image as a ruthless, behind-the-scene vindictive SOB (which, incidentally, is exactly what I want in a VP, thank you---not some out-of-control Al Gore in hysterics.)

2) TerryKerry's remarks work to her disadvantage, because: 1) she did it and had the misfortune to have it recorded on video; 2) she then lied about it and got busted in the chops with the video; 3) she looked to be aggressive, instigating and out-of-control, condescending, vulgar, and rude, which re-inforce negative class stereotypes that the Kerry campaign has been working hard to dispell; 4) she was directing her anger and attitude at the press, who have thin skins, long memories, and longer pens; 5) she comes off as a cold and haughty, which in terms of perception, will not serve a potential First Lady well (and by association, husband the candidate) , particularly in comparison to the ultra-charming Laura Bush, who rates very high with the public in terms of popularity, and who looks to be supportive and in-step with the candidate, her husband.

This may not jibe with a lot of people's percpetion of the ideal family, but whatever difficulties the Bushes have encountered as a family make them more accessible to the average Joe Six-Pack voting family. Any reported addiction issues on the now born-again Dubya's part probably resonate a lot closer to home with under-employed, struggling Rust Belt denizens than John Kerry's snow-boarding antics with his boy-valet. As for the Bush girls grossly over-publicized infractions, I'd guess that a lot more parents have had problems with underage drinking than have had their daughters show up looking like French whores at a Mediterranean film festival, which was whipped into a frenzy of Anti-American loathing by the likes of pedophile look-alike Michael Moore. So go ahead.....play up those differences to your heart's content.

[dude1394]

[Yeah, a dad who did Coke in college and gets drunk driving tickets

Versus a dad who committed war crimes.

[Mavdog]

How interesting. It seems that sexism is alive and well in the conservative wing, Theresa Kerry expresses her dislike for a newspaper which she is very familiar with (as they had distorted her remarks previously) and tells them to "shove it" (gasp!) for which she is labeled a "bitch", compared to the infamous elitist Leona Helmsley, a "gold-digging ultra-rich wife" and also a "skank." Nice going boys, I'm sure that if this were a man who is of your kindred ideology their rebuke of the reporter would be labeled a fair, aggressive response. The ole double standard is clearly the hallmark of your philosophy.

Yeah, the conservative wing of American politics, where a women is seen but not heard, and those who wish to express themselves are labeled with epitaphs which demean them in the lowest of terms.

Equality for all....if you're a white male, otherwise they don't want to hear from you unless it is in a subservient role with only pleasantries and I'm assuming smiles and giggles.

[Usually Lurkin]

This is funnier to me. Nothing to do with the "SHOVE IT!" episode, but more Krazy Kerry Kookiness. She called the democrats "putrid". What's funny is it seems she's less afraid to speak out about her own thoughts than is her husband.

Teresa Heinz Kerry, years before becoming a Democrat, railed against the party's ``putrid'' politics, said she didn't trust Sen. Edward M. Kennedy [related, bio] and angrily called the liberal lion a ``perfect bastard.''
Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*In comments published in a little-known 1975 book about political wives called ``The Power Lovers: An Intimate Look at Politicians and Their Marriages,'' Heinz Kerry lashed out at the senator she'll share the primetime convention stage with tonight.

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[LRB]

Originally posted by: Mavdog
How interesting. It seems that sexism is alive and well in the conservative wing, Theresa Kerry expresses her dislike for a newspaper which she is very familiar with (as they had distorted her remarks previously) and tells them to "shove it" (gasp!) for which she is labeled a "bitch", compared to the infamous elitist Leona Helmsley, a "gold-digging ultra-rich wife" and also a "skank." Nice going boys, I'm sure that if this were a man who is of your kindred ideology their rebuke of the reporter would be labeled a fair, aggressive response. The ole double standard is clearly the hallmark of your philosophy.

Yeah, the conservative wing of American politics, where a women is seen but not heard, and those who wish to express themselves are labeled with epitaphs which demean them in the lowest of terms.

Equality for all....if you're a white male, otherwise they don't want to hear from you unless it is in a subservient role with only pleasantries and I'm assuming smiles and giggles.

What a load of Crap. In case you haven't noticed, the senior senator from Texas is a woman and a republican. But that doesn't fit you little liberal altered view of the world does it?

She's a bitch for saying one thing and then turning around and denying saying it only a few minutes later. Then telling the reporter to "shove it" for asking her about it and calling her on it when she denied it. If she was a man we would have been just as critical. It was also highly hypocritical to tell him to shove it just after a speach calling for eliminating the rancor and rudeness in politics. It shows just how sincere here words were.

Your only defense of Mrs. Kerry is to pull the gender card. That's pretty pathetic IMO.

[Chiwas]

I thought it was Mr Bush vs. Mr Kerry, not Mrs's included in the election.

[Chiwas]

You will have enough with a Mrs. in 4 years if Kerry loses this one.

[LRB]

Originally posted by: Chiwas
I thought it was Mr Bush vs. Mr Kerry, not Mrs's included in the election.

Like it or not, the wife of whoever wins the election will be a highly visible representative of the US for the 4 years in hosting and visiting with foreign dignitaries. I for one don't want a 1st Lady who will tell a foreign head of state to shove it when he accurately quotes her on something and asks what she meant.

[Mavdog]

Originally posted by: LRB

What a load of Crap. In case you haven't noticed, the senior senator from Texas is a woman and a republican. But that doesn't fit you little liberal altered view of the world does it?

You mean the Senator who was blasted by the conservatives for opposing one of Bush's judicial nominess due to his blatant sexism?

She's a bitch for saying one thing and then turning around and denying saying it only a few minutes later. Then telling the reporter to "shove it" for asking her about it and calling her on it when she denied it. If she was a man we would have been just as critical. It was also highly hypocritical to tell him to shove it just after a speach calling for eliminating the rancor and rudeness in politics. It shows just how sincere here words were.

Thanks for reinforcing exactly what I wrote about.

So she's a "bitch" for telling him off when he attempted to rephrase her comment. She has the right (I know this offends some who believe a woman doesn't have these rights) to be as blunt as she wishes without being obscene. You know obscene, that's saying things like "F*ck off" such as our VP did on the floor of the senate. Funny, I didn't read where you called him names such as you've done to Theresa Kerry...but then he's a man while she's a woman. The ole double standard...

Your only defense of Mrs. Kerry is to pull the gender card. That's pretty pathetic IMO.

"defense"??? Theresa Kerry doesn't need any defense, she did nothing wrong. She merely (gasp! a women expressing herself!) said what she felt about that specific purported newspaper writer.

Those that hurled invective on the other hand did do something wrong.

[kg_veteran]

Mavdog - Can you stick to one subject at a time? Did Terry Kerry lie, or not? That's all I want to know. I don't think she should be called names or anything, but that's another subject. Did she lie, or not? Answer me that.

[LRB]

So she's a "bitch" for telling him off when he attempted to rephrase her comment. She has the right (I know this offends some who believe a woman doesn't have these rights) to be as blunt as she wishes without being obscene. You know obscene, that's saying things like "F*ck off" such as our VP did on the floor of the senate. Funny, I didn't read where you called him names such as you've done to Theresa Kerry...but then he's a man while she's a woman. The ole double standard...

Sure she has a right to express here opinion. So do the conservatives on this board. And so do you. And bald faced lying deserves criticism IMO. Oh wait, I guess you're saying only women democrats can express their opinions. [img]i/expressions/anim_roller.gif[/img]

[Mavdog]

Originally posted by: kg_veteran
Mavdog - Can you stick to one subject at a time? Did Terry Kerry lie, or not? That's all I want to know. I don't think she should be called names or anything, but that's another subject. Did she lie, or not? Answer me that.

I have read the accounts and I don't see a "lie" by Theresa Kerry. The journalist (who has previously used the name "Mr. Theresa Heinz" for John Kerry, as well as incorrectly attacking the Heinz Foundation for their grants) was attempting to rephrase the comment "un-american" that Theresa Kerry used in her speech. She didn't use the phrase in the context which the reporter attempted to place it in, Theresa didn't have much tolerance for the specific reporter due to their past history, and told him to "shove it." end of story...that is, until those who don't want women to be strong and aggressive started to utilze labels such as "bitch" and "skank."

[LRB]

Originally posted by: Mavdog

I have read the accounts and I don't see a "lie" by Theresa Kerry. The journalist (who has previously used the name "Mr. Theresa Heinz" for John Kerry, as well as incorrectly attacking the Heinz Foundation for their grants) was attempting to rephrase the comment "un-american" that Theresa Kerry used in her speech. She didn't use the phrase in the context which the reporter attempted to place it in, Theresa didn't have much tolerance for the specific reporter due to their past history, and told him to "shove it." end of story...that is, until those who don't want women to be strong and aggressive started to utilze labels such as "bitch" and "skank."

How is asking "what did you mean by un-american?", rephrasing or taking it out of context? Specifically he was asking what she ment by the comment she made in the speech. I saw both her speech and the question that was asked of her on video.

[kg_veteran]

It seems to me that this was all captured on videotape. She said something, and then said, "I didn't say that." That's called lying.

Of course, her husband has the same problem. We all remember the "ribbons vs medals" debacle.

Personally, I hope they showcase Terry Kerry tonight. She's going to cost her makeup wearing hubby votes.

[Murphy3]

As a member of the far left, I must say that it is ok for a liberal to slightly change any and all recorded and/or taped comments if the before mentioned comments make a member of the left and/or myself look unintelligent. I must also say that it is ok to avoid answering questions concerning my political party by redirecting the question with another question if and on if the initial question/s could somehow make me or my party look bad in some manner or another.

[Chiwas]

Lies are common from politicians. No big deal. The other part is also well known for that.

[Mavdog]

Originally posted by: kg_veteran
It seems to me that this was all captured on videotape. She said something, and then said, "I didn't say that." That's called lying.

Of course, her husband has the same problem. We all remember the "ribbons vs medals" debacle.

Personally, I hope they showcase Terry Kerry tonight. She's going to cost her makeup wearing hubby votes.

No, this is what was said:

"We need to turn back some of the creeping, un-Pennsylvanian and sometimes un-American traits that are coming into some of our politics," Heinz Kerry told Pennsylvania delegates. The incident was captured on videotape by WTAE-TV.

McNickle asked her what she meant by "un-American activity."

McNickle got it wrong. This was not the first time that this paper had incorrectly stated her words.

Nevertheless, it is not justifiable to use phases such as "bitch" and "skank" to describe Theresa Kerry. period. It is sexist and demeaning.

[LRB]

Originally posted by: Chiwas
Lies are common from politicians. No big deal. The other part is also well known for that.

I can't think of a Republican First Lady or President that or Presidential nominee or his wife that said something in a speech and a few minutes later denied saying it.

[Chiwas]

As I said, no big deal.

More important issues about lies have not been resolved costing many lives and money, without clear benefits.

[LRB]

No, this is what was said:


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"We need to turn back some of the creeping, un-Pennsylvanian and sometimes un-American traits that are coming into some of our politics," Heinz Kerry told Pennsylvania delegates. The incident was captured on videotape by WTAE-TV.

McNickle asked her what she meant by "un-American activity."
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McNickle got it wrong. This was not the first time that this paper had incorrectly stated her words.

Nevertheless, it is not justifiable to use phases such as "bitch" and "skank" to describe Theresa Kerry. period. It is sexist and demeaning.

Wow talking about trying to spit a hair on a tick's @$$. Still I didn't hear the "activity" portion on the tape that I saw. He asked what she meant by "un-American". But even if he said activity, it still is an apt description of what she said in her speech. Why not simply explain it instead of being such an opprobrious woman about it?

[kg_veteran]

Originally posted by: Mavdog
No, this is what was said:

McNickle got it wrong. This was not the first time that this paper had incorrectly stated her words.

Typical of you to try and draw a distinction where there is none.

Nevertheless, it is not justifiable to use phases such as "bitch" and "skank" to describe Theresa Kerry. period. It is sexist and demeaning.

Take that up with the people that said it.

[sturm und drang]

Originally posted by: LRB

I can't think of a Republican First Lady or President that or Presidential nominee or his wife that said something in a speech and a few minutes later denied saying it.

Let's play another round of everyone's favorite game, "Lies and politicians: Attribute that quote!"

"I'll say no and they will push, and I'll say no, and they will push again, and I'll say to them, 'Read my lips: No new taxes.'"

Tick, tock, tick, tock...

[Mavdog]

Originally posted by: kg_veteran

Typical of you to try and draw a distinction where there is none.

It was either correct or not correct. I guess I'll turn the table and say "typical of you to not see the facts for what they are.."

Nevertheless, it is not justifiable to use phases such as "bitch" and "skank" to describe Theresa Kerry. period. It is sexist and demeaning.

Take that up with the people that said it.[/quote]

Exactly what I have done. See above.

[LRB]

Originally posted by: sturm und drang

Let's play another round of everyone's favorite game, "Lies and politicians: Attribute that quote!"

"I'll say no and they will push, and I'll say no, and they will push again, and I'll say to them, 'Read my lips: No new taxes.'"

Tick, tock, tick, tock...

Doesn't exactly meet the defined parameters. Care to try again. I would challenge anyone to find a President, and George Washington and Abraham Lincoln are no exceptions, who never maid a statement that was later shown to have substantial evidence to show it wasn't true. But that is slightly different than saying something on camera and then turning around and claiming not to have said it just a few minutes later. We're not talking about years, months, weeks, or days. Hell we're not even talking about hours. That's as bald face of a lie as Clinton saying that he never had sexual relations with Monica in court and on National TV and perhaps even more so.

[LRB]

Originally posted by Mavdog:

It was either correct or not correct. I guess I'll turn the table and say "typical of you to not see the facts for what they are.."

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[Murphy3]

It's humorous that Terry Kerry so blatantly lied as she did. Her temper is also humorous. But, let's not make too much out of nothing. It's obvious that she has no idea as to whether or not she's a Republican or a Democrat. She probably doesn't even know the difference between the two parties. I'm sure her affiliation corresponds with whoever she happens to be married to at the time.

Terry Kerry is nothing more than a toy. She's here for our amusement, but she is of little consequence or imprortance to the presidential race. So just enjoy her for what she's worth and look at the bright side....if Kerry wins the election, at least we'll have a first lady to ridicule from time to time.