More Bad News for Kerry: U.S. Economy Creates 144,000 New Jobs

[LRB]

U.S. Economy Creates 144,000 New Jobs

WASHINGTON — U.S. employers added 144,000 workers to their payrolls in August and hiring totals for the two prior months were revised up as the job market brightened, the Labor Department (search) reported on Friday.

The unemployment rate (search) dipped to 5.4 percent last month from 5.5 percent in July. But the drop in the jobless rate in August came as people left the work force for any number of reasons, the Labor Department said. Economists were predicting the jobless rate to hold steady in August.

The gain in payrolls was short of the 150,000 net jobs that economists were calling for. However, it represented the biggest jobs gain since May and marked the 12th month in a row that payrolls grew.

Job gains for July were revised up to 73,000, still a lackluster number but an improvement from the 32,000 advance first estimated. Payrolls for June also were revised up to show a larger gain than first reported.

The latest snapshot of the jobs climate comes just two months before the presidential election. President Bush, who hurried back to the campaign trail after accepting the Republican party's nomination for a second term Thursday, and his Democratic rival, John Kerry, joust frequently over the health of the economy and the availability of jobs.


The report created a slightly more favorable picture for summer job growth, but is likely to leave unresolved for now whether the economy was successfully shaking off a June soft patch as Federal Reserve (search) policymakers expect it to do.

In August retail and automobile sales came in sluggish, consumer confidence dropped and manufacturing activity grew at a slower pace.

The Fed, in a bid to keep inflation from becoming a problem, boosted short-term interest rates twice this year. That has left a key rate controlled by the Fed at 1.50 percent, still low by historical standards. The Fed's next meeting is Sept. 21. Some economists believe the Fed will push rates by another one-quarter percentage point at that time.

Economists want to see at least 200,000 net jobs added a month on a consistent basis before declaring the labor market fully healed.

The payrolls figure and the unemployment rate can sometimes go in different directions because they are derived from two separate statistical surveys.

The unemployment rate is calculated from a survey of around 60,000 households in which people are asked to state whether they have jobs or are looking for work. The unemployment rate in August fell as the labor force shrank by 152,000 from the previous month.

The survey used to calculate the payroll figure -- seen as a better barometer of the labor market's health by many economist -- is based on information from about 160,000 businesses and government agencies, covering roughly 400,000 individual work sites.

Reuters and the Associated Press contributed to this report.

[knowitall]

Replacement jobs with a sweet 9% cut in pay.

[Mavdog]

Is the glass half full as you want to claim ("Bad news for Kerry") or is the glass half empty?

It seems more of the later than the former. There was a positive in job growth, but with also with an increase in workers who gave up looking.

The biggest problem is the decline in retail sales and the moderation in the manufacturing recovery. Both have been fueling the economy's expansion, without these continuing to contribute we could be sliding backwards.

BTW the only retailing categories who are showing strength are the upper end merchants. That shows that the middle and lower classes are feeling some pain.

It will be interesting to see if the Fed continues to ratchet up rates. We may need to keep cheap money around longer.

[Drbio]

Originally posted by: knowitall
Replacement jobs with a sweet 9% cut in pay.

Total speculation.....source?

[LRB]

Originally posted by: Mavdog



It seems more of the later than the former. There was a positive in job growth, but with also with an increase in workers who gave up looking.

Not what the article says: "But the drop in the jobless rate in August came as people left the work force for any number of reasons, the Labor Department said. Economists were predicting the jobless rate to hold steady in August."

[dude1394]

Unemployment rate...5.4%...scoreboard..

[knowitall]

He's turned a record surplus into a record deficit to about 500 billion.

We have lost over a million jobs.

Every year the number of Americans living in poverty has gone up.

Every year the number of Americans without insurance has gone up.

He has eliminated or at least reduced taxes on dividends, interest and capitol gains. Another blow to the middle class.

Bush invades Iraq, which spurs the growth of Al Qaeda.

Social Security surplus was supposed to be untouchable......we all know what happened there.

He's reduced the pollution standards and limited their enforcement.

We have gone from being supported and respected by virtually all nations to being the most disliked and least trusted nation in the world.


And the worst is yet to come. When our children are being taught how to allow for wind when firing a weapon over great distances.

[LRB]

Originally posted by: knowitall
He's turned a record surplus into a record deficit to about 500 billion.

We have lost over a million jobs.

Every year the number of Americans living in poverty has gone up.

Every year the number of Americans without insurance has gone up.

He has eliminated or at least reduced taxes on dividends, interest and capitol gains. Another blow to the middle class.

Bush invades Iraq, which spurs the growth of Al Qaeda.

Social Security surplus was supposed to be untouchable......we all know what happened there.

He's reduced the pollution standards and limited their enforcement.

We have gone from being supported and respected by virtually all nations to being the most disliked and least trusted nation in the world.


And the worst is yet to come. When our children are being taught how to allow for wind when firing a weapon over great distances.

Thank you for your opinion. Now my opinion is that you post is a onesided spin doctored load of crap.

[subliminal2k3]

LRB, how is that his "opinion"?? Those are FACTS backed with actual data. Can't u distinguish between opinions and facts??
Now I think ur OPINION is totally worthless in the face of FACTS.

[madape]

[Epitome22]

This is good news. If this keeps up, There will be almost as many jobs in this country at the end of Bush's administration as there were...in the beginning of Bush's administration.

[LRB]

Originally posted by: subliminal2k3
LRB, how is that his "opinion"?? Those are FACTS backed with actual data. Can't u distinguish between opinions and facts??
Now I think ur OPINION is totally worthless in the face of FACTS.

You're new to the board so you may want to read many of the past post where knowsbutlittle has repeatedly been shown how these "facts" are distorted half truths at best before you ignorantly shoot your mouth off like like a jackass(as in democrat mascot). And if you would care to open your eyes, there are no references to fact check these "facts", there are also conclusions drawn which are indeed opinion and not fact. So if some one as ignorant and obtsuse as you doesn't value my opinion, it's really no big deal.

[LRB]

Originally posted by: Epitome22
This is good news. If this keeps up, There will be almost as many jobs in this country at the end of Bush's administration as there were...in the beginning of Bush's administration.

So you agree that Bush is handling the crisis created by Clinton in an excellent fashion.

[knowitall]

Subliminal, LRB wants you to paste some article so that he can paste some article so that you will paste some article so he can paste some article etc.......................LRB has shown lately that he doesn't live in the real world. He cannot escape his own thickness and is unable to understand why things happen.

[Drbio]

Originally posted by: knowitall
Subliminal, LRB wants you to paste some article so that he can paste some article so that you will paste some article so he can paste some article etc.......................LRB has shown lately that he doesn't live in the real world. He cannot escape his own thickness and is unable to understand why things happen.

Such a thoughtful and insightful response. wow.

[LRB]

Originally posted by: knowitall
Subliminal, LRB wants you to paste some article so that he can paste some article so that you will paste some article so he can paste some article etc.......................LRB has shown lately that he doesn't live in the real world. He cannot escape his own thickness and is unable to understand why things happen.

So you say that baseless accusations are better than fact based arguments. You say it's better to refer to documents, but not to post them or links. That's one of the most ignorant and stupid things that you have ever said and you've set the bar prettl low in the past. If by the not living the the "real world" you mean your sick and demented fantasy land of hatred, then I sure as hell hope that I don't live there.

[knowitall]

Sick and demented fantasy land of hatred. Interesting that you define the hatred in the world as "fantasy". More proof that you don't understand the real world. Much better that stay inside the walls of your "Enchanted Kingdom".........Just remember to occasionally launder your blinders.

[subliminal2k3]

Originally posted by: LRB

You're new to the board so you may want to read many of the past post where knowsbutlittle has repeatedly been shown how these "facts" are distorted half truths at best before you ignorantly shoot your mouth off like like a jackass(as in democrat mascot). And if you would care to open your eyes, there are no references to fact check these "facts", there are also conclusions drawn which are indeed opinion and not fact. So if some one as ignorant and obtsuse as you doesn't value my opinion, it's really no big deal.

He's turned a record surplus into a record deficit to about 500 billion.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5549636/

We have lost over a million jobs.
http://www.jobwatch.org/

Every year the number of Americans living in poverty has gone up.
http://msnbc.msn.com/id/5829707/

Every year the number of Americans without insurance has gone up.
http://msnbc.msn.com/id/5829707/

He has eliminated or at least reduced taxes on dividends, interest and capitol gains. Another blow to the middle class.
http://www.osc.state.ny.us/press/rel...an03/11403.htm
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...2004Aug12.html

Bush invades Iraq, which spurs the growth of Al Qaeda.
http://www.spiked-online.com/Articles/0000000CA5A2.htm
http://quicksitebuilder.cnet.com/supfacts/id431.html


Social Security surplus was supposed to be untouchable......we all know what happened there.
http://slate.msn.com/id/2093707/
http://www.econop.org/SS-BushPLanPerils.htm

He's reduced the pollution standards and limited their enforcement.
http://environment.about.com/od/elec...cleanair_2.htm

We have gone from being supported and respected by virtually all nations to being the most disliked and least trusted nation in the world.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/...in633329.shtml

I only did a quick search and I came up with all those links. I don't know how you found those facts to be "distorted half truths at best". English is not even my native language. If I can read, I think u could certainly do better. Maybe it's ur laziness that prevent you from seeing the truth....or maybe just pure reluctance to see the other side of the arguments. Oh by the way, before calling others jackass, look into the mirror first.

[Drbio]

Have you ever contributed to this forum knowsnothing? I mean other than throwing a few topic titles out there I have never seen you discuss the meat of the issues but rather only engage in pissing matches and make claims that you have personal insight (complete with manufactured examples and stories) to whatever the topic is for that day.

[Mavdog]

Originally posted by: knowitall
He's turned a record surplus into a record deficit to about 500 billion.

"The final 2004 gap is widely expected to set a new record topping $400 billion. In its recent budget review, the Office of Management and Budget said it expects the deficit to be about $445 billion this year, while the Congressional Budget Office has projected a more conservative $422 billion.

Democrats have placed much of the blame for the return to annual deficits -- after surpluses seen from 1998 through 2001 -- on the Bush administration's tax cuts."

Article

We have lost over a million jobs.

"The economy has lost 913,000 jobs since Bush took office"

Article

Every year the number of Americans living in poverty has gone up.

"The number of Americans living in poverty increased last year, with nearly 36 million people below the poverty line, 1.3 million more than last year, the U.S. Census Bureau reported yesterday...Poverty rates have also been climbing for three years. Census Bureau officials yesterday blamed the growth in poverty on the aftereffects of the recession of 2001. "

Article

Every year the number of Americans without insurance has gone up.

"The percentage of uninsured has risen from 14.2 percent in 2000 to 15.2 in 2002 and 15.6 percent last year."

Article

He has eliminated or at least reduced taxes on dividends, interest and capitol gains. Another blow to the middle class.

"There are two areas of the Jobs and Growth Tax Relief Reconciliation Act of 2003 that are of interest to all traders and investors. First is the decrease in the capital gain tax rate and second is the dramatic reduction on the tax rate on dividends"

Article

Bush invades Iraq, which spurs the growth of Al Qaeda.

this is indeed opinion as there is no accurate account of al Queda's membership. May be true...

Social Security surplus was supposed to be untouchable......we all know what happened there.

"BUSH PLEDGES NOT TO TOUCH SOCIAL SECURITY SURPLUS... "We're going to keep the promise of Social Security and keep the government from raiding the Social Security surplus." [President Bush, 3/3/01]

...BUSH SPENDS SOCIAL SECURITY SURPLUS The New York Times reported that "the president's new budget uses Social Security surpluses to pay for other programs every year through 2013, ultimately diverting more than $1.4 trillion in Social Security funds to other purposes." [The New York Times, 2/6/02]

He's reduced the pollution standards and limited their enforcement.

"MARCH 13, 2001 Bush reneges on campaign promise to reduce carbon dioxide emissions"
"DECEMBER 24, 2003 Federal court blocks EPA plan to weaken Clean Air Act by exempting power plants from review"
"JANUARY 22, 2004 EPA scales back monitoring of smokestack pollution"
"JANUARY 30, 2004 Parts of EPA's mercury-pollution plan lifted verbatim from industry memos"
"FEBRUARY 6, 2004 Clean Air Act changes undermining enforcement, says former EPA official"
"APRIL 7, 2004 White House downplays effects of mercury from coal-fired power plants
"JUNE 2, 2004 New EPA rules allow more fine-particle pollution from 1,000 industrial plants"

Article

We have gone from being supported and respected by virtually all nations to being the most disliked and least trusted nation in the world.

certainly opinion, may be right...

And the worst is yet to come. When our children are being taught how to allow for wind when firing a weapon over great distances.

Originally posted by: LRB

Thank you for your opinion. Now my opinion is that you post is a onesided spin doctored load of crap.

looks like you're very, very wrong. Those are almost all validated FACTS.

[LRB]

Originally posted by: subliminal2k3

He's turned a record surplus into a record deficit to about 500 billion.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5549636/

We have lost over a million jobs.
http://www.jobwatch.org/

Every year the number of Americans living in poverty has gone up.
http://msnbc.msn.com/id/5829707/

Every year the number of Americans without insurance has gone up.
http://msnbc.msn.com/id/5829707/

He has eliminated or at least reduced taxes on dividends, interest and capitol gains. Another blow to the middle class.
http://www.osc.state.ny.us/press/rel...an03/11403.htm
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...2004Aug12.html

Bush invades Iraq, which spurs the growth of Al Qaeda.
http://www.spiked-online.com/Articles/0000000CA5A2.htm
http://quicksitebuilder.cnet.com/supfacts/id431.html


Social Security surplus was supposed to be untouchable......we all know what happened there.
http://slate.msn.com/id/2093707/
http://www.econop.org/SS-BushPLanPerils.htm

He's reduced the pollution standards and limited their enforcement.
http://environment.about.com/od/elec...cleanair_2.htm

We have gone from being supported and respected by virtually all nations to being the most disliked and least trusted nation in the world.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/...in633329.shtml

I only did a quick search and I came up with all those links. I don't know how you found those facts to be "distorted half truths at best". English is not even my native language. If I can read, I think u could certainly do better. Maybe it's ur laziness that prevent you from seeing the truth....or maybe just pure reluctance to see the other side of the arguments. Oh by the way, before calling others jackass, look into the mirror first.

As I said look in past threads on this forum. All this is old news and has been refuted many times. Such as the fact that it was a dimocrap, Bill Clinton, from whom Bush inherited the slumping economy. So in essence he's getting blamed for cleaning up someone else's mess.

And much that you've linked is not fact, but political spin based on some facts but not all. This is where the halftruths come in. And I wouldn't call someone too lazy when you're too damn lazy to look up the past threads here when you dredge up an old argument. You sound like a jackass in you posts, so it sure seems accurate. As for looking in the mirror, for this election year at least, I only see elephant (mascot of the GOP).

[knowitall]

Doc, if you're interested in the "meat", then let go of yours and look it up.

[Epitome22]

Originally posted by: LRB

As I said look in past threads on this forum. All this is old news and has been refuted many times. Such as the fact that it was a dimocrap, Bill Clinton, from whom Bush inherited the slumping economy. So in essence he's getting blamed for cleaning up someone else's mess.

And much that you've linked is not fact, but political spin based on some facts but not all. This is where the halftruths come in. And I wouldn't call someone too lazy when you're too damn lazy to look up the past threads here when you dredge up an old argument. You sound like a jackass in you posts, so it sure seems accurate. As for looking in the mirror, for this election year at least, I only see elephant (mascot of the GOP).

How is it political spin? which ones are the half-truths, please tell us. Merely waxing about some past posts that allegedly refute this (Posts you only reference in passing, yet accuse US of being to 'lazy' to look up) is not an accurate rebuttal.

I understand that you want to sit and discuss politics at the big kids table but until you get more well read on this and can contribute something yourself, perhaps you should bow out for awhile. K thnx

[LRB]

Originally posted by: Mavdog



looks like you're very, very wrong. Those are almost all validated FACTS.

And yet more smoke spews out of Mavdogs ass. No wonder pollution is so bad. [img]i/expressions/anim_roller.gif[/img]

It would be nice if you could learn to tell fact from opinion. You've listed a bunch of opinions that interpret facts. There is a difference, but I guess it's not really fair to expect someone like you to be able to discern it.

[subliminal2k3]

Thanks Mavdog, you did a way better jobs than me. I am new to forum posting and I still need to get better at it[img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif[/img]

[subliminal2k3]

Originally posted by: LRB

And yet more smoke spews out of Mavdogs ass. No wonder pollution is so bad. [img]i/expressions/anim_roller.gif[/img]

It would be nice if you could learn to tell fact from opinion. You've listed a bunch of opinions that interpret facts. There is a difference, but I guess it's not really fair to expect someone like you to be able to discern it.

LRB, other than resorting to personal attacks and calling everything "spin", please show us some news links that show US does NOT have record high deficit, did NOT lose a million jobs, poverty numbers have been DOWN, and people with insurance are UP, LESS burden to mid class, MORE social security to people, HIGHER pollution standards, and last but not least US is MORE loved by other countries.

Please, show us some of that please. Then we can all vote for Bush in November before it's too late.

[Epitome22]

Please don't ask for those things subliminal. You have to understand that you cannot trust the liberal jew media and their conspiracy to bring down Bush. Only trust Fox news 'fair and balanced' everything else, even if it just reiterates the exact same thing is 'spin' and I justify it as 'spin' with absolutely nothing.

[Mavdog]

Originally posted by: LRB

And yet more smoke spews out of Mavdogs ass. No wonder pollution is so bad. [img]i/expressions/anim_roller.gif[/img]

It would be nice if you could learn to tell fact from opinion. You've listed a bunch of opinions that interpret facts. There is a difference, but I guess it's not really fair to expect someone like you to be able to discern it.

Classic.
When shown the FACTS- and the links, as LRB feels that everybody who disagrees with him must show the links (not that HE needs to)- he answers with denial and says that they not facts.
"opinions that interpret facts"
LMAO!
Yet he can't show any proof to support his position.
Hey LRB, where's your links? Can't you at least refute ONE of the facts that were posted? Just ONE????
What, you have none?

too funny.

[knowitall]

LRB is looking more and more like a simple chest beater. It's sad really. I wanted to have respect for his positions. I'm sure he'll just respond to me "knowslittle knows nothing"......How the mighty have fallen.

[LRB]

Just for the liberal idiots.

fact - Knowledge or information based on real occurrences: an account based on fact; a blur of fact and fancy.

Opinion - A belief or conclusion held with confidence but not substantiated by positive knowledge or proof: “The world is not run by thought, nor by imagination, but by opinion” (Elizabeth Drew).

estimated - To calculate approximately (the amount, extent, magnitude, position, or value of something).



Knowitall posts "He's turned a record surplus into a record deficit to about 500 billion." - This is pure guesswork and opinion. 1st of all the Deficit is currently estimated at 445 Billion. We don't know what it will be until the year is well over. But the estimate is only 89% of the claimed 500 billion. This is the guesswork portion of the answer. Now to the opinion part, that's where Knowitall statets' that Bush has done this as in Bush has done it alone. Wrong, this was done with Congress, which included John Kerry among others of both parties and independents. It is her opinion that Bush is responsible for this, and apparently primarily if not solely responsible. There are no facts to prove this conclusively.

Knowitall posts "We have lost over a million jobs." - This is inaccurate. The original article that I started this thread with reports Official Department of Labor states that a net of 144,000 jobs were estimated to have been created this past month. Of course the statement is ambigious at best and could possible be interpreted many ways. Maybe if the author was more clear. I'm not giving a link here because even dumb and lazy ass liberals should be able to go to the 1st post in this thread which does contain a link there.

Knowitall posts "Every year the number of Americans living in poverty has gone up." - This is blatantly false. Using numbers kindly provided in an article by Subliminal we can see that the poverty rate 2003 is lower than in 1997 or 1998. While it may have risen some years, the poverty rate has not risen every year as knowitall claims.

Knowitall posts "Every year the number of Americans without insurance has gone up." - Again this is blatantly false. Using the same article referenced above we can see that the number of uninsured is estimated to be about 15.3 million in the US. Now consider that there are over an estimated 294 million people living in the US. So that means that there are over an estimated 278 million insured Americans. This is more than the entire population of the USA in 1990. So clearly this statement has to be be wrong for at least 1 year between 1990 and today.

Knowitall posts "He has eliminated or at least reduced taxes on dividends, interest and capitol gains. Another blow to the middle class." This is really just opinion. She states that Bush elminated the taxes on dividends, interest, and capitol gains. While certainly he might have led the push for legislation and signed the bills into law, it requires the vote of both the House and Senate to make these changes. Also the "blow to the middle class" is pure and unadulterated opinion.

Well I'd write more but I've got to go. Maybe later.

[reeds]

"He's turned a record surplus into a record deficit to about 500 billion.

We have lost over a million jobs.

Every year the number of Americans living in poverty has gone up.

Every year the number of Americans without insurance has gone up.

He has eliminated or at least reduced taxes on dividends, interest and capitol gains. Another blow to the middle class.

Bush invades Iraq, which spurs the growth of Al Qaeda.

Social Security surplus was supposed to be untouchable......we all know what happened there.

He's reduced the pollution standards and limited their enforcement.

We have gone from being supported and respected by virtually all nations to being the most disliked and least trusted nation in the world.


And the worst is yet to come. When our children are being taught how to allow for wind when firing a weapon over great distances. "

Knowitall...your wasting your time..I have been preaching this for a year- they dont want to listen to facts..they DONT care about social security, they dont care about the poor, its obvious...As long was we are kicking ass with our military- they are all happy...

[LRB]

Reeds if you'd ever post and true facts instead of the mindless spin in you post below, maybe we would pay attention to those facts.

[knowitall]

I know Reeds. What a tragic ideal.................I love things that spin. An antique wooden top...a roulette wheel......a young girls parasol........but not American politics.

[Mavdog]

so, the "fact" is that they estimate the deficit to be a record $445 B rather than the record $500 B mentioned? OK, a clarification of the facts stated. of course, the statement said "about $500 B": "He's turned a record surplus into a record deficit to about 500 billion" so it's accurate.
That passes the test.

As for the recent <u>monthly job report</u> yes, the estimate was 144,000 net job gain, the point was how many jobs were lost in the term, As it is estimated at 933,000, we need to clarify the statement which said "We have lost over a million jobs" to say "We have lost over 900,000 jobs", perhaps the most recent numbers weren't included.
That passes the test.

now the point "Every year the number of Americans living in poverty has gone up". The statement said nothing about "rates" so the link you provided doesn't apply. The statement you called "crap" is correct, the number of Americans in poverty has gone up" every year.
That passes the test.

Now the uninsured. What you are trying to do by referencing the population of 1990 only you can understand, but the fact is that the number of uninsured Americans has increased each year of the Bush presidency (2000-2003). that is, of course, the subject, the Bush term in office...the statement "Every year the number of Americans without insurance has gone up" is factual. no "opinion"
That passes the test.

Dividends and capital gains. While you I believe agree that the first part is factual "He has eliminated or at least reduced taxes on dividends, interest and capitol gains." you dispute the later part of "Another blow to the middle class". You might have a point that this is opinion, although with the data that shows an increasing burden of the tax payments borne by the middle class, less by the higher incomes, the statement can be supported.
Passes the test, although ended in a grey area.

yep, a factual set of statements.

[subliminal2k3]

Originally posted by: LRB

Knowitall posts "Every year the number of Americans without insurance has gone up." - Again this is blatantly false. Using the same article referenced above we can see that the number of uninsured is estimated to be about 15.3 million in the US. Now consider that there are over an estimated 294 million people living in the US. So that means that there are over an estimated 278 million insured Americans. This is more than the entire population of the USA in 1990. So clearly this statement has to be be wrong for at least 1 year between 1990 and today.

While keeping calling everyone who disagrees with him idiots, LBR shows us what a bright guy he is by composing the above brilliant paragraph. Pure brilliance!!! So deep, thoughtful and suble that nobody can understand his point......SUBLIMINABLE! I invite everyone to read the above paragraph to see how intelligent LBR is.

First of all, where did it say in the article you referenced to that the uninsured population is 15.3 million? I can only find this "the Census Bureau said the number of Americans without health insurance coverage rose to 45 million or 15.6 percent of the population". Hmm I must be either blind or too biased or simply like you said "liberal idiots" cuz I just can't find a simple number in a damn short article.

But no big problem, as long as my logic still works....oh wait.....it doesn't.....I can't quite understand the reasoning behind the "more than entire population of USA in 1990 so clearly this statement has to be wrong for at least 1 year" thing. Oh I am so STUPID! I am HELPLESS! GOD PLEASE HELP ME!

In all seriousness, come on LBR, instead of arguing whether it's $445 B or $500 B, show us some positive numbers reflecting the good works Bush has done. I mean, if one did such a great job, there's got to be some numbers showing it right?? Right LBR?? EDUCATE US.

[dude1394]

Let's see... bush inherited a recession from clinton. After a huge tech bubble explosion. Then we are hit with the largest attack on our soil in history. Bush's response was to pass another tax hike to try and keep the economy afloat. He does. And the gotcha dems hypocritcally whine about deficits.

If gore had been in office I guess he would have raised taxes to get us out of the recession.

You folks are perfect democrats, just like kerry, reality doesn't count, it's all about regaining power. In all of the oh woe is me, what are YOUR and the dems plans? Kerry's is to raise taxes and they spend 3-4 times as much all the while cutting the deficit in half.

Yup, the party of fiscal discipline.

[mavsman55]

Originally posted by: reeds
"He's turned a record surplus into a record deficit to about 500 billion.

We have lost over a million jobs.

Every year the number of Americans living in poverty has gone up.

Every year the number of Americans without insurance has gone up.

He has eliminated or at least reduced taxes on dividends, interest and capitol gains. Another blow to the middle class.

Bush invades Iraq, which spurs the growth of Al Qaeda.

Social Security surplus was supposed to be untouchable......we all know what happened there.

He's reduced the pollution standards and limited their enforcement.

We have gone from being supported and respected by virtually all nations to being the most disliked and least trusted nation in the world.


And the worst is yet to come. When our children are being taught how to allow for wind when firing a weapon over great distances. "

Knowitall...your wasting your time..I have been preaching this for a year- they dont want to listen to facts..they DONT care about social security, they dont care about the poor, its obvious...As long was we are kicking ass with our military- they are all happy...

Edit: Because liberals can't take jokes.

[dude1394]

I think he saw a real president last night and realized his candidate is a joke.

[mavsman55]

Originally posted by: subliminal2k3

While keeping calling everyone who disagrees with him idiots, LBR shows us what a bright guy he is by composing the above brilliant paragraph. Pure brilliance!!! So deep, thoughtful and suble that nobody can understand his point......SUBLIMINABLE! I invite everyone to read the above paragraph to see how intelligent LBR is.

First of all, where did it say in the article you referenced to that the uninsured population is 15.3 million? I can only find this "the Census Bureau said the number of Americans without health insurance coverage rose to 45 million or 15.6 percent of the population". Hmm I must be either blind or too biased or simply like you said "liberal idiots" cuz I just can't find a simple number in a damn short article.

But no big problem, as long as my logic still works....oh wait.....it doesn't.....I can't quite understand the reasoning behind the "more than entire population of USA in 1990 so clearly this statement has to be wrong for at least 1 year" thing. Oh I am so STUPID! I am HELPLESS! GOD PLEASE HELP ME!

In all seriousness, come on LBR, instead of arguing whether it's $445 B or $500 B, show us some positive numbers reflecting the good works Bush has done. I mean, if one did such a great job, there's got to be some numbers showing it right?? Right LBR?? EDUCATE US.

Pretty ironic. You write 5 paragraphs on how stupid somebody else is, yet misspell a 3-letter abbreviation 4 times. And I thought reeds was the only one who could misspell LRB.

[subliminal2k3]

Originally posted by: mavsman55
Pretty ironic. You write 5 paragraphs on how stupid somebody else is, yet misspell a 3-letter abbreviation 4 times. And I thought reeds was the only one who could misspell LRB.

Not that I didn't realize I misspelled his name right after I posted it, but I thought nobody would be so picky on whether or not a user name is spelled right in such a serious discussion, and people would be forgiving since I already said I am new to this forum. Now obviously you proved me wrong. So I guess calling you mavsman56 in a forum post would make me stupid, yet the ability to get the correct number for uninsured in a article wouldn't worth a dime with you. That says it all, that says it all.

Oh and btw, if the argument that bush inherited a recession from clinton is right, then all the presidents that saw economic growth during their terms should be shameful of themselves, because they were so selfish and left big messes for those proceeding ones, causing them to face recessions. What a terrible act! How dare they make the economy grow?! Those presidents with big economic declines are the real heroes!!