Doc Declares BUSH WINS RE-ELECTION!!!!!!!!!

[Drbio]

It's over......

[Drbio]

Bush has 269 electoral votes by my count and in case of a tie, the vote goes to the House.

The Repubs own the House and will vote for Bush.


Barring all legal issues, it is OVER!!!!!!!!!!!


PRESIDENT BUSH WINS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Drbio]

YEAH baby!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Male30Dan]

4 more years!!!

Hell yeah!!!

[Drbio]

MY President won again. Popular vote...electoral vote...George W. Bush is now YOUR President too.

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[FishForLunch]

Why are Mavdog and Reeds not posting today

[FishForLunch]

I have to eat crow, so much for the Redskins loss

[Drbio]

LOL Fish....that was a freaky streak thoguh to be fair.

[SaltwaterChaffy]

Ohio is still really close guys. Bush probably has it locked up, but it's not quite through.

[Drbio]

Originally posted by: SaltwaterChaffy
Ohio is still really close guys. Bush probably has it locked up, but it's not quite through.

The only thing that can pull Ohio is a legal challenge. I have the data right here and according to Ohio law, a recount cannot be held unless the vote is within 0.25%. Not likely.

[FishForLunch]

Dan Rather is not giving up yet. The 60 minutes crew does not sound too happy

[FishForLunch]

250K votes to be counted in Ohio and Mary beth Cahill says Kerry will pull it out. She has a hot line to the 60 minutes team

[FishForLunch]

Looks like the Dems(latest from MSNBC) wants every absentee and provisional ballot to be counted, and it may take upto 10 days

[Drbio]

A legal challenge is the only way to derail Ohio.

[Drbio]

Roll On Bush!

[Drbio]

Reports are surfacing that Teddy Kennedy has shown up at 2am at John Kerrys home. It was reported that Kerrys daughter was crying and had to be consoled.


IT.Is.OVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[FishForLunch]

Brek Girl the "next Vice President of the United States" says they will count every vote. The Red Sox owner has chartered a couple of planes full of snakes lawyers to fly into Ohio

[dude1394]

America **** YEAH!!!

Way to go bush, way to go true americans. Way to slam a party that cannot be trusted with national security (or much of anything else) to the ground, step on their throat and throttle them. Let the party of Michael Moore be no more.

[mavsman55]

HAHA - Take that Michael Moore!!

BTW, who expected this to end in controversy? I'm so surprised right now.

[sturm und drang]

Dude wrote:

"Way to go bush, way to go true americans."

You know, this is the immature and ignorant bullshit that really infuriates me. You don't have to be a Republican to be a "true american (sic)". You don't have to vote for Bush to be a true American. You don't have to support the war in Iraq to be a true American.

True Americans live on both sides of the partisan divide. Patriotism manifests itself in myriad shades of both blue and red.

[Mavdog]

Originally posted by: sturm und drang
Dude wrote:

"Way to go bush, way to go true americans."

You know, this is the immature and ignorant bullshit that really infuriates me. You don't have to be a Republican to be a "true american (sic)". You don't have to vote for Bush to be a true American. You don't have to support the war in Iraq to be a true American.

True Americans live on both sides of the partisan divide. Patriotism manifests itself in myriad shades of both blue and red.

Well said.
unfortunately Sturm there are some who believe that only their ideology is what makes a "true American". Nothing is further from the truth.

They betray the core beliefs that make up the American experience by their blind partianship.

[FishForLunch]

I know you democrats are upset but here is a great analysis on why Kerry and democrats lost.

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Living Poor, Voting Rich
By NICHOLAS D. KRISTOF

n the aftermath of this civil war that our nation has just fought, one result is clear: the Democratic Party's first priority should be to reconnect with the American heartland.

I'm writing this on tenterhooks on Tuesday, without knowing the election results. But whether John Kerry's supporters are now celebrating or seeking asylum abroad, they should be feeling wretched about the millions of farmers, factory workers and waitresses who ended up voting - utterly against their own interests - for Republican candidates.

One of the Republican Party's major successes over the last few decades has been to persuade many of the working poor to vote for tax breaks for billionaires. Democrats are still effective on bread-and-butter issues like health care, but they come across in much of America as arrogant and out of touch the moment the discussion shifts to values.

"On values, they are really noncompetitive in the heartland," noted Mike Johanns, a Republican who is governor of Nebraska. "This kind of elitist, Eastern approach to the party is just devastating in the Midwest and Western states. It's very difficult for senatorial, Congressional and even local candidates to survive."

In the summer, I was home - too briefly - in Yamhill, Ore., a rural, working-class area where most people would benefit from Democratic policies on taxes and health care. But many of those people disdain Democrats as elitists who empathize with spotted owls rather than loggers.

One problem is the yuppification of the Democratic Party. Thomas Frank, author of the best political book of the year, "What's the Matter With Kansas: How Conservatives Won the Heart of America," says that Democratic leaders have been so eager to win over suburban professionals that they have lost touch with blue-collar America.

"There is a very upper-middle-class flavor to liberalism, and that's just bound to rub average people the wrong way," Mr. Frank said. He notes that Republicans have used "culturally powerful but content-free issues" to connect to ordinary voters.

To put it another way, Democrats peddle issues, and Republicans sell values. Consider the four G's: God, guns, gays and grizzlies.

One-third of Americans are evangelical Christians, and many of them perceive Democrats as often contemptuous of their faith. And, frankly, they're often right. Some evangelicals take revenge by smiting Democratic candidates.

Then we have guns, which are such an emotive issue that Idaho's Democratic candidate for the Senate two years ago, Alan Blinken, felt obliged to declare that he owned 24 guns "and I use them all." He still lost.

As for gays, that's a rare wedge issue that Democrats have managed to neutralize in part, along with abortion. Most Americans disapprove of gay marriage but do support some kind of civil unions (just as they oppose "partial birth" abortions but don't want teenage girls to die from coat-hanger abortions).

Finally, grizzlies - a metaphor for the way environmentalism is often perceived in the West as high-handed. When I visited Idaho, people were still enraged over a Clinton proposal to introduce 25 grizzly bears into the wild. It wasn't worth antagonizing most of Idaho over 25 bears.

"The Republicans are smarter," mused Oregon's governor, Ted Kulongoski, a Democrat. "They've created ... these social issues to get the public to stop looking at what's happening to them economically."

"What we once thought - that people would vote in their economic self-interest - is not true, and we Democrats haven't figured out how to deal with that."

Bill Clinton intuitively understood the challenge, and John Edwards seems to as well, perhaps because of their own working-class origins. But the party as a whole is mostly in denial.

To appeal to middle America, Democratic leaders don't need to carry guns to church services and shoot grizzlies on the way. But a starting point would be to shed their inhibitions about talking about faith, and to work more with religious groups.

Otherwise, the Democratic Party's efforts to improve the lives of working-class Americans in the long run will be blocked by the very people the Democrats aim to help.

[Drbio]

Crap people.....everyone was doing so well about being nice during the election.

Come on.....

[Drbio]

BTW....nice article Fish.