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shaw-xx · 09-21-2006, 01:09 AM

Cuban, Nelson will be at ceremony honoring forward in hometown

12:50 AM CDT on Thursday, September 21, 2006

By EDDIE SEFKO / The Dallas Morning News

The Mavericks continue to talk about a contract extension for Josh Howard, owner Mark Cuban said Wednesday, and the parties will have a good chance to take negotiations further this weekend.

Howard, Cuban, coach Avery Johnson and president Donnie Nelson will represent the Mavericks in Winston-Salem, N.C., at the dedication of a new basketball court in Howard's hometown Saturday. The outdoor court is at the recreation center where Howard grew up playing.

The court will be emblazoned with Howard's signature and the initials of his mother and grandmother, for whom the court is dedicated.

Howard has one year left on his rookie contract. The Mavericks have the option of extending it. If they cannot agree on an extension, Howard would become a restricted free agent July 1.

Howard's agent, Jeff Schwartz, did not return phone messages.

The 6-7 Howard is coming off his best season, averaging 15.6 points and 6.3 rebounds in the regular season and 16.7 points and 7.4 rebounds in the playoffs.

Nelson said the Mavericks, who have their sights firmly set on a championship after losing in the Finals last season, would like to get something done with Howard before training camp opens Oct. 3. The fewer distractions, the better.

"Everybody prefers to find the common ground and get some security for both sides," Nelson said. "We're going in a decent direction and there's a pretty good possibility something can get done. But there's no real sense of urgency. If for some reason nothing happens, then he plays for us this season and we revisit it next summer."

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nashtymavsfan13 · 09-21-2006, 01:12 AM

Awesome! It's about time the contract talks begin going somewhere!

MavsX · 09-21-2006, 08:35 AM

chick ching

sike · 09-21-2006, 08:54 AM

pay the man.

MavsN06 · 09-21-2006, 08:56 AM

The last statement is concerning just a little.

"Everybody prefers to find the common ground and get some security for both sides," Nelson said. "We're going in a decent direction and there's a pretty good possibility something can get done. But there's no real sense of urgency. If for some reason nothing happens, then he plays for us this season and we revisit it next summer."

I hope they can put pen to paper before then.

Tick Tock Tick Tock. Oct 3rd cannot get here fast enough.

Underdog · 09-21-2006, 09:14 AM

Josh will sign - I'll start worrying if he decides to wait until AFTER this season (which could be a simple decision for him if the Mavs win the Finals...)

Flacolaco · 09-21-2006, 09:36 AM

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Nelson said. "We're going in a decent direction and there's a pretty good possibility something can get done.

Yeah, that doesnt exactly inspire any confidence

"decent" "pretty good"

fluid.forty.one · 09-21-2006, 12:52 PM

He might play harder if he's a restricted free agent next year, which could lead to the title. Of course it would raise his price too...

So sign him asap.

G-Man · 09-23-2006, 12:19 AM

If the Mavs offer Josh 9 to 10 mil, he'd be nuts not to take it. The existance of a chance for an injury makes it a no brainer. He's making diddly-squat now. SIgn and he's guaranteed rich for life. To gamble, in hopes of getting a mil or 2 more a year is an unnessisary risk. His agent won't be advising him to risk it either... he wants to get paid as well, and 15% on an extra million would not be worth it to him to advise Josh to wait.

This is an easy deal, unless the Mavs try to low ball him, or his agent is a complete idiot. To blow this, someone will need to be very stupid.

snoop · 09-24-2006, 02:52 AM

Josh is worth 8 to 10 a year and I am sure the mavs will take care of him in a timly manner

mqywaaah · 09-24-2006, 10:38 AM

Welcome again JHo! Glad to have you for many more years!

^^ Wishfull thinking..

Five-ofan · 09-24-2006, 11:03 AM

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Originally Posted by G-Man

If the Mavs offer Josh 9 to 10 mil, he'd be nuts not to take it. The existance of a chance for an injury makes it a no brainer. He's making diddly-squat now. SIgn and he's guaranteed rich for life. To gamble, in hopes of getting a mil or 2 more a year is an unnessisary risk. His agent won't be advising him to risk it either... he wants to get paid as well, and 15% on an extra million would not be worth it to him to advise Josh to wait.

This is an easy deal, unless the Mavs try to low ball him, or his agent is a complete idiot. To blow this, someone will need to be very stupid.

agents make nowhere near 15% Most agents make 4%.... but yeah i expect josh to take a 5 for 50 offer if we make it though that is VERY high for what hes worth. We just cant lose him for nothing though...

alby · 09-24-2006, 11:36 AM

10mil is a year is too much

JET_31 · 09-24-2006, 02:33 PM

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Originally Posted by alby

10mil is a year is too much

Yea 8mil a year sounds alot better.

Locked_Up_Tonight · 09-24-2006, 02:34 PM

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10mil is a year is too much

Exactly. The Mavs don't have to "just pay him." They need to pay him about 9 million (the final price not starting price).

And if he balks... let him go. Let someone else overpay him. The Mavs do not need to overpay anyone anymore. The only teams that do are teams like the Hornets where they are trying to make a name for themselves so they throw money at a marginal star a la Peja.

There is a reason how SA stays competitive and their salary is in line. Besides Duncan, who on their team makes a lot of money? The answer is no one.

StackAttack · 09-24-2006, 02:56 PM

Something MUST get done this summer, simply because of Charlotte's situation.

1) Gerald Wallace, their SF (and an amazing one at that) will undoubtedly opt out of his current contract next year
2) As of now, their payroll is the lowest in the NBA, and will be even lower going into next offseason since the contracts of Ely, Carrol, Anderson, and Burleson will all be expiring - cap space galore

Charlotte will definitely offer Josh Howard the kitchen sink next offseason, and I guarantee it'll be a number that Cubes will NOT want to match. We don't need to get ourselves into that situation.

Five-ofan · 09-24-2006, 03:02 PM

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Originally Posted by StackAttack

Something MUST get done this summer, simply because of Charlotte's situation.

1) Gerald Wallace, their SF (and an amazing one at that) will undoubtedly opt out of his current contract next year
2) As of now, their payroll is the lowest in the NBA, and will be even lower going into next offseason since the contracts of Ely, Carrol, Anderson, and Burleson will all be expiring - cap space galore

Charlotte will definitely offer Josh Howard the kitchen sink next offseason, and I guarantee it'll be a number that Cubes will NOT want to match. We don't need to get ourselves into that situation.

Wallace is better than Josh. If we could somehow swing a josh for wallace swap i would be all over that and i wouldnt mind paying him 10 mil a year..

StackAttack · 09-24-2006, 03:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Five-ofan

Wallace is better than Josh. If we could somehow swing a josh for wallace swap i would be all over that and i wouldnt mind paying him 10 mil a year..

As would I.

AxdemxO · 09-24-2006, 04:29 PM

Ohhhhhhhh neither Wallace or Josh are worth 10 mill...both are at the 8 million price

and Wallace is not better than Josh..thay are about the same

Five-ofan · 09-24-2006, 04:35 PM

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Originally Posted by AxdemxO

Ohhhhhhhh neither Wallace or Josh are worth 10 mill...both are at the 8 million price

and Wallace is not better than Josh..thay are about the same

oh yes he is

StackAttack · 09-24-2006, 04:44 PM

Are you kidding? Gerald Wallace is an amazing player, a SF averaging 2+ blocks should be enough to tell you that...

Something I forgot to mention when talking about Charlotte, Josh definitely wouldn't mind playing there; that's home to him.

nashtymavsfan13 · 09-24-2006, 04:55 PM

Good points StackAttack. That's why I was saying we need to get something done before the season starts. Gerald Wallace is better than Josh defensively, but he's not worth 10 mil. I'd give either Gerald or Josh 9 mil.

spreedom · 09-24-2006, 05:24 PM

Damn.. checking Wallace's numbers..

14/7.5/1.7 - All pretty solid offensive numbers, and it's not like the assist numbers would bog the Mavs down.. nobody on the team racks up assists.

Then I checked the steals.. first in the league in SPG, 11th overall (injury issues) and a great steal-to-turnover ratio.. PLUS over two blocks a game..

How was he left off of the All-Defensive team? Oh yeah, 55 games.

But still.. if we traded Josh straight up for Gerald (assuming they play roughly the same number of games next season) how would we NOT come out ahead?

EDIT: Not to mention 54% shooting..

Five-ofan · 09-24-2006, 05:25 PM

gerald scores a comparable number of points on 52% shooting with no one else to force doubles while being the 4th player in history to average 2+ blocks and 2+ steals.

StackAttack · 09-24-2006, 05:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Five-ofan

gerald scores a comparable number of points on 52% shooting with no one else to force doubles while being the 4th player in history to average 2+ blocks and 2+ steals.

4th? To my knowledge the only other two are the Admiral and Hakeem.

Five-ofan · 09-24-2006, 05:35 PM

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Originally Posted by StackAttack

4th? To my knowledge the only other two are the Admiral and Hakeem.

i think AK did it one year or someone else did at some point, ill look it up but im fairly certain that he is the 4th

StackAttack · 09-24-2006, 05:37 PM

Nope. Came close in 03-04, 1.92 steals, that's the closest he's ever been to 2.

Five-ofan · 09-24-2006, 05:38 PM

you are correct sir...

nashtymavsfan13 · 09-24-2006, 05:41 PM

AK will do it though, it's just a matter of time.

Five-ofan · 09-24-2006, 05:53 PM

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Originally Posted by nashtymavsfan13

AK will do it though, it's just a matter of time.

no he wont. He gets more blocks and less steals than he used to...

nashtymavsfan13 · 09-24-2006, 05:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Five-ofan

no he wont. He gets more blocks and less steals than he used to...

Yeah, I guess. He still has a better chance than many to do it.

Nemesis · 09-24-2006, 07:05 PM

Gerald Wallace? Pretty funny D-M.com. April Fools came a little late this year. I have a wooden nickel. Any takers?

Five-ofan · 09-24-2006, 07:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Blab's Nemesis

Gerald Wallace? Pretty funny D-M.com. April Fools came a little late this year. I have a wooden nickel. Any takers?

are you saying we couldnt get him for josh(a legit problem) or that he isnt that good?

Nemesis · 09-24-2006, 07:41 PM

I am saying this:

Howard > Wallace

And the inequality barely quantifies the difference. I honestly don't know how his name dropped in this thread. It boggles the mind.

Five-ofan · 09-24-2006, 07:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Blab's Nemesis

I am saying this:

Howard > Wallace

And the inequality barely quantifies the difference. I honestly don't know how his name dropped in this thread. It boggles the mind.

aside from shoot the 3 and fts would you care to explain to me what Josh does better?

Rhylan · 09-24-2006, 08:29 PM

Josh did it on an established 50-win team, Gerald had to get sent to Expansionland to do it.

Let Wallace do something on a winning team, and we'll talk.

Nemesis · 09-24-2006, 08:48 PM

5-0, I can think of better discussions to have with you. I merely stated the obvious in this thread thinking no one would respond, as usual.

Gerald Wallace does not deserve the amount of time I would need to spend looking at his irrelevant statistics over his un-illustrious five year career. I am sure there are a handful of players with his statistics that also don't compare to the star-power Josh Howard is undertaking and will continue to undertake year by year.

spreedom · 09-24-2006, 08:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Blab's Nemesis

5-0, I can think of better discussions to have with you. I merely stated the obvious in this thread thinking no one would respond, as usual.

Gerald Wallace does not deserve the amount of time I would need to spend looking at his irrelevant statistics over his un-illustrious five year career. I am sure there are a handful of players with his statistics that also don't compare to the star-power Josh Howard is undertaking and will continue to undertake year by year.

2 blocks, 2 steals per game and numbers nearly identical to Josh's across the board? Am I missing something here? Who cares what team it was on.. it's not like he was getting more touches than Josh or better matchups.. if anything else, he was getting guarded like the number one option most of the time and shooting less than Josh, at a much higher clip.

I think he's flat-out a better player. I think Josh's status is highly (and perhaps unfairly) elevated because he was the third banana on a Finals team. Do you really think the Mavs would have been worse if they had G-Wallace (perhaps the best athlete in the league) on the team? I certainly don't.

Five-ofan · 09-24-2006, 09:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Rhylan

Josh did it on an established 50-win team, Gerald had to get sent to Expansionland to do it.

Let Wallace do something on a winning team, and we'll talk.

If we were talking innefficient scoring numbers that would be a good point. However he is extremely efficient (aside from fts) and he is a very good(though not quite as good as the numbers look) defender.

#1MavsFan · 09-24-2006, 09:28 PM

This topic makes me laugh. Comparing Josh to freaking Gerald Wallce.