should we get another star on the mavs?

[jdrules05]

it would be really nice to have a star on our team. if we get an allstar we would be the dream team. thats why cuban should have tried to get ai.

[Windmill360]

Nope. Keep it like it is. In fact I think we should dump some players.

[Dirkadirkastan]

Hmm... I think we'll need to start about six more threads on this before we really make headway on this question.

[dalmations202]

How about Ray Allen or Rashard Lewis or Paul Pierce, if Dallas wants another star?

I think it would be a much better fit.

AI and KGarnett do not seem like they would be a fit to this team, IMO.

[shaw-xx]

If really needs, Pierce. If no Pierce, Ray Allen. No KG or AI.

[ddh33]

Sure, but it has to be the right kind of star (not sure Iverson is) and it would have to be for the right prce. After all, there isn't much sense is trading away half your Western championship team for a guy who won't help if there isn't a team left...

[rmacomic]

How about we win a title, then the media will anoint us a star or two.

[u2sarajevo]

Originally Posted by thread title

should we get another star on the mavs?

You mean like on their uniforms? I like them how they are now.... so no.

[Lonnie]

I think the mavs have good assets to help facilitate the AI trade without having to take on AI himself. I think we should use the desperation of philly to land the Truth. A few draft picks might have to change hands, but what do you guys think about this trade proposal:

Dallas Trade Breakdown
Outgoing
Maurice Ager
6-5 from Michigan State
No games yet played in 2005/06
Austin Croshere
6-9 PF from Providence
8.2 ppg, 5.3 rpg, 1.2 apg in 22.9 minutes
Jerry Stackhouse
6-6 SG from North Carolina
13.0 ppg, 2.8 rpg, 2.9 apg in 27.7 minutes
Incoming
Paul Pierce
6-6 SG from Kansas
26.8 ppg, 6.7 rpg, 4.8 apg in 39.0 minutes
Alan Henderson
6-9 PF from Indiana
2.5 ppg, 2.7 rpg, 0.2 apg in 10.3 minutes
Change in team outlook: +8.1 ppg, +1.3 rpg, and +0.9 apg.


Boston Trade Breakdown
Outgoing
Gerald Green
6-8 SF from Gulf Shores Academy (HS)
5.2 ppg, 1.3 rpg, 0.6 apg in 11.8 minutes
Paul Pierce
6-6 SG from Kansas
26.8 ppg, 6.7 rpg, 4.8 apg in 39.0 minutes
Incoming
Allen Iverson
6-0 PG from Georgetown
33.0 ppg, 3.2 rpg, 7.4 apg in 43.0 minutes
Change in team outlook: +1.0 ppg, -4.8 rpg, and +2.0 apg.


Philadelphia Trade Breakdown
Outgoing
Alan Henderson
6-9 PF from Indiana
2.5 ppg, 2.7 rpg, 0.2 apg in 10.3 minutes
Allen Iverson
6-0 PG from Georgetown
33.0 ppg, 3.2 rpg, 7.4 apg in 43.0 minutes
Incoming
Maurice Ager
6-5 from Michigan State
No games yet played in 2005/06
Austin Croshere
6-9 PF from Providence
8.2 ppg, 5.3 rpg, 1.2 apg in 22.9 minutes
Jerry Stackhouse
6-6 SG from North Carolina
13.0 ppg, 2.8 rpg, 2.9 apg in 27.7 minutes
Gerald Green
6-8 SF from Gulf Shores Academy (HS)
5.2 ppg, 1.3 rpg, 0.6 apg in 11.8 minutes
Change in team outlook: -9.1 ppg, +3.5 rpg, and -2.9 apg.


Mavs get a legit second star that will be happy to be in a winning system again, philly gets some young talent and expiring contracts (maybe a draft pick from us or Boston as well), and boston will get AI

[dalmations202]

Originally Posted by Lonnie

I think the mavs have good assets to help facilitate the AI trade without having to take on AI himself. I think we should use the desperation of philly to land the Truth. A few draft picks might have to change hands, but what do you guys think about this trade proposal:

Dallas Trade Breakdown
Outgoing
Maurice Ager
6-5 from Michigan State
No games yet played in 2005/06
Austin Croshere
6-9 PF from Providence
8.2 ppg, 5.3 rpg, 1.2 apg in 22.9 minutes
Jerry Stackhouse
6-6 SG from North Carolina
13.0 ppg, 2.8 rpg, 2.9 apg in 27.7 minutes
Incoming
Paul Pierce
6-6 SG from Kansas
26.8 ppg, 6.7 rpg, 4.8 apg in 39.0 minutes
Alan Henderson
6-9 PF from Indiana
2.5 ppg, 2.7 rpg, 0.2 apg in 10.3 minutes
Change in team outlook: +8.1 ppg, +1.3 rpg, and +0.9 apg.


Boston Trade Breakdown
Outgoing
Gerald Green
6-8 SF from Gulf Shores Academy (HS)
5.2 ppg, 1.3 rpg, 0.6 apg in 11.8 minutes
Paul Pierce
6-6 SG from Kansas
26.8 ppg, 6.7 rpg, 4.8 apg in 39.0 minutes
Incoming
Allen Iverson
6-0 PG from Georgetown
33.0 ppg, 3.2 rpg, 7.4 apg in 43.0 minutes
Change in team outlook: +1.0 ppg, -4.8 rpg, and +2.0 apg.


Philadelphia Trade Breakdown
Outgoing
Alan Henderson
6-9 PF from Indiana
2.5 ppg, 2.7 rpg, 0.2 apg in 10.3 minutes
Allen Iverson
6-0 PG from Georgetown
33.0 ppg, 3.2 rpg, 7.4 apg in 43.0 minutes
Incoming
Maurice Ager
6-5 from Michigan State
No games yet played in 2005/06
Austin Croshere
6-9 PF from Providence
8.2 ppg, 5.3 rpg, 1.2 apg in 22.9 minutes
Jerry Stackhouse
6-6 SG from North Carolina
13.0 ppg, 2.8 rpg, 2.9 apg in 27.7 minutes
Gerald Green
6-8 SF from Gulf Shores Academy (HS)
5.2 ppg, 1.3 rpg, 0.6 apg in 11.8 minutes
Change in team outlook: -9.1 ppg, +3.5 rpg, and -2.9 apg.


Mavs get a legit second star that will be happy to be in a winning system again, philly gets some young talent and expiring contracts (maybe a draft pick from us or Boston as well), and boston will get AI

IMO,
Boston only takes on AI if they can keep PP.
Philly only trades AI for a young semi-star on the rise, and expiring contracts.
Dallas doesn't move Dirk, Howard, Damp, or Harris.

In fact, I think it will take a big name like Pierce/Allen to get them to do anything that would affect the cap savings they will have when Cro, and Stack come off the books this year. Ager should be the Stack replacement. Backup PF will be held down by George/Howard.

[mqywaaah]

No way the C's part with PP. Wouldnt work.

[jdrules05]

how about shawn marion? anyone?

[birdsanctuary]

How about him? How you gonna get him? Trade DJ for him?

[Dirkgreatness]

Yes we need another star either that or Terry and Howard need to be more consistant because im getting tired of them having an off night every other game.

[pickupyonuts]

exactly. the thing about the "stars" including dirk, is even if they are having an off shooting night, they still find a way to put points on the board or find other ways to help the team win. the only stars i can think of that can have complete off nights are a few streak shooters like arenas and allen off the top of my head. if you look at say paul pierce or dirk, even when they don't play well, they still do other things such as rebound or get steals or drop some dimes.

[dalmations202]

I am still of the opinion that Ray Allen should be the one that Dallas is trying to get instead of AI, but if Dallas does do an AI deal, I hope it looks closer to this:

Dallas Trade Breakdown
Outgoing

Anthony Johnson
6-3 PG from Charleston
9.2 ppg, 2.2 rpg, 4.3 apg in 26.4 minutes

Greg Buckner
6-4 SG from Clemson
6.7 ppg, 2.9 rpg, 1.7 apg in 24.0 minutes

Austin Croshere
6-9 PF from Providence
8.2 ppg, 5.3 rpg, 1.2 apg in 22.9 minutes

Jerry Stackhouse
6-6 SG from North Carolina
13.0 ppg, 2.8 rpg, 2.9 apg in 27.7 minutes

Erick Dampier
6-11 C from Mississippi State
5.7 ppg, 7.8 rpg, 0.6 apg in 23.5 minutes
Incoming

Allen Iverson
6-0 PG from Georgetown
33.0 ppg, 3.2 rpg, 7.4 apg in 43.0 minutes

Chris Webber
6-10 PF from Michigan
20.2 ppg, 9.9 rpg, 3.4 apg in 38.6 minutes
Change in team outlook: +10.4 ppg, -7.9 rpg, and +0.1 apg.

Philadelphia Trade Breakdown
Outgoing

Allen Iverson
6-0 PG from Georgetown
33.0 ppg, 3.2 rpg, 7.4 apg in 43.0 minutes

Chris Webber
6-10 PF from Michigan
20.2 ppg, 9.9 rpg, 3.4 apg in 38.6 minutes
Incoming

Anthony Johnson
6-3 PG from Charleston
9.2 ppg, 2.2 rpg, 4.3 apg in 26.4 minutes

Greg Buckner
6-4 SG from Clemson
6.7 ppg, 2.9 rpg, 1.7 apg in 24.0 minutes

Austin Croshere
6-9 PF from Providence
8.2 ppg, 5.3 rpg, 1.2 apg in 22.9 minutes

Jerry Stackhouse
6-6 SG from North Carolina
13.0 ppg, 2.8 rpg, 2.9 apg in 27.7 minutes

Erick Dampier
6-11 C from Mississippi State
5.7 ppg, 7.8 rpg, 0.6 apg in 23.5 minutes
Change in team outlook: -10.4 ppg, +7.9 rpg, and -0.1 apg.


Successful Scenario

You could also add Alan Henderson as a PF/C from PHilly in the trade, if you wanted more C depth.

This way Dallas has a guard lineup of Harris, Terry, AI
A midline of George, Howard
A frontcourt of Dirk, CWebb, Diop, DJ

A 9 player rotation - IF Terry and CWebb would buy into the 6th man role, they could have something special.

JJB, Ager, Pops for the "blow/blown" out time.

Webber only has one more year after this one. So the $$$$ would only be blown for a short time. You have this year and two more with AI/Dirk paired to try and win it all.

[MavsX]

c webb sucks..and calls timeouts

[dalmations202]

Originally Posted by MavsX

c webb sucks..and calls timeouts

Wouldn't matter because he wouldn't be on the court to end games anyhow.

He is light years ahead offensively of the backups at 4/5 we presently have, and if his job was to play against backups, I think he would do wonderfully.

[dude1394]

I don't think so. I think the stars should remain on the cowboys uniforms.

[mqywaaah]

Wouldnt want somebody sucky like CWebb on our team. Would completely destroy our teams chemistry.

[jayC]

Yeah to no AI. The mavs might have their second star with howard.

[fluid.forty.one]

Why would we want to trade for a star when we can just grow em' ourselves?

[birdsanctuary]

Originally Posted by fluid.forty.one

Why would we want to trade for a star when we can just grow em' ourselves?

You make a wise observation. Essentially the Mavs have everything they need to win a championship now. The problem lies in their development. JET, Josh and Devin all have potential to become All-star caliber players. This is what is needed for the Mavs to move over the top and win it all. My issue is with Avery's development of Devin Harris, it seems to me that if Devin becomes a top 5 PG then JET, and Josh's development is accelerated.

I saw Nellie develop both Hardaway and Nash into pereniall all-stars. Avery's not Nellie, and it's not fair for me to expect the same speed of development. But I do...