Sell the Team

[Darth Ape]

This is an open plea to Mark Cuban.

It's time, buddy.

[mqywaaah]

I... nvm

[left texas]

Originally Posted by Darth Ape

This is an open plea to Mark Cuban.

It's time, buddy.

We could go back to the days before Mark, well at least there were no expectations then.

[mattyd]

Hey, Mark, if you really had potential sellers last year, give em a call this year. Its time.

[GermanFan]

wtf?

[Darth Ape]

Originally Posted by left texas

We could go back to the days before Mark, well at least there were no expectations then.

Who wouldn't take Ross Perot Jr. right now? He built a state of the art stadium in downtown dallas, something even Jerry Jones couldn't do. He hired Don Nelson, the architect of the Maverick turnaround. He oversaw the acquisition of franchise cornerstones Dirk Nowitzki and Steve Nash.

Most importantly, Perot was the consumate professional who didn't embarass the franchise on a consistent basis.

It's a little sad that I'm pining for the days of Ross Perot, but that's how bad it's become under Cuban.

[MeganLuvsMavs]

If he does sell it, he's not the MFFL he say's he is. If that's the case I will never speak those acronyms ever again cause it was just propaganda.

[rmacomic]

Did anyone see the postgame interviews last night? Dirk comes out and sounds like he just doesn't care. And the Avery starts repeating himself so much that he looks like Leo at the end of The Aviator.

Pathetic....I like Avery, but Cuban may have wasted an opportunity by having him coach this team while it was peaking.

[Mavdog]

Originally Posted by Darth Ape

This is an open plea to Mark Cuban.

It's time, buddy.

yeah, it's mark cuban who is to blame for the 3-1 deficit! if only he had stopped those shots by the warriors and made the shots the mav players missed....jeesh.

Who wouldn't take Ross Perot Jr. right now?

I wouldn't. I lived those years of the perot era, losses a'plenty. an owner who didn't know squat about the game, and frankly didn't care about the team, he cared about the potential real estate deal that came with owning it.

He built a state of the art stadium in downtown dallas, something even Jerry Jones couldn't do.

jerry jones didn't want to build a stadium in dallas, if he wanted to build it in fair park (not dt dallas btw) he could have.

you also seem to have a very convenient lapse of memory about tom hicks and our mayor at the time, ron kirk. they were more instrumental in getting the aac built than anybody.

He hired Don Nelson, the architect of the Maverick turnaround.

yes, zaccanelli hired an out of work and recently fired nelson, and got a extra benefit that he may not have even known about....donnie nelson.

He oversaw the acquisition of franchise cornerstones Dirk Nowitzki and Steve Nash.

interesting spin, as there is absolutley NO reason to believe that perot had ANY idea who these people were prior to their being mavs assets.

Most importantly, Perot was the consumate professional who didn't embarass the franchise on a consistent basis.

really? like when perot didn't even know how many players are on the court during a game?

just what has cuban done lately to "embarass the franchise"? help put together a very competitive team? have one of the most entertaining arenas in the nba?

It's a little sad that I'm pining for the days of Ross Perot, but that's how bad it's become under Cuban.

that says much more about you then it does about cuban....

[rabbitproof]

What has Cuban done this postseason besides sport a goatee? Get over it.

[Grammaton Cleric]

This is stupid, Cuban isn't the problem.

This series reminds me of the Super Bowl where Gruden torched the Raiders because he had intimate knowledge of how they ticked.

If the Mavericks lose, blame Avery Johnson for resting his players towards the end of the season. That hurt the Mavericks as much as anything.

[Darth Ape]

Ross Perot was smart enough to know that he wasn't a basketball guy. He hired the best guys in the business and let them do their job. The same can't be said for Mark Cuban. As passionate as he is, he is NOT a basketball guy. There are people out there smarter than him, like Don Nelson and Pat Riley. And those people are making a sport out of making Mark Cuban look like a fool.

Over the past 3-4 years, Cuban has relied less and less on the expertise of those on his payroll and is making most of the basketball decisions on his own. He let Steve Nash walk, most likely without consulting and/or without the approval of his coach and GM. He had the architect of his team escorted out of the building and then subsequently treated him like dirt because his ego couln't stand sharing credit. He reversed the team direction from the innovative, cutting edge style that has since taken over WC playoff basketball to a slow, boring style that talk radio windbags told him was the only way to win a championship, but that in fact delivers only embarassing postseason colapses.

His incompetent meddling with this team is the direct cause of what we're seing right now... the crumbling of the Maverick Dynasty that never was. The check has come due. The egg is in the face. It's time for the "benefactor" to leave our Mavss and go fuck up the Pirates or the Cubs, or to run his lame-brain entertainment company into the ground. I'm tired of looking at the man and tired of smelling the stink he leaves on my Mavericks.

[jthig32]

The fact remains that this team went further than it ever had once the philosophy was changed.

You can't deny that.

[Darth Ape]

Originally Posted by jthig32

The fact remains that this team went further than it ever had once the philosophy was changed.

You can't deny that.

I liken that to Barry Switzer taking Jimmy Johnson's team to an NFL championship, only Avery didn't win jack shit. The truth is that the Mavs were poised to win the trophy. The Nelsons had built an incredible team with the best talent in the league, centered around the two best players ever to suit up in a Mav uniform. Both Dirk Nowtizki and Steve Nash played the greatest basketball of their careers last year. The only thing that could screw it up was bad coaching and the inconceivable decision to let one of our franchise players walk for nothing. What was your point again?

[jthig32]

Originally Posted by Darth Ape

I liken that to Barry Switzer taking Jimmy Johnson's team to an NFL championship, only Avery didn't win jack shit. The truth is that the Mavs were poised to win the trophy. The Nelsons had built an incredible team with the best talent in the league, centered around the best player ever to suit up in a Mav uniform. Dirk Nowtizki was playing the greatest basketball of his career. The only thing that could screw it up was bad coaching. And guess what? Bad coaching cost us a championship. What was your point again?

Except that Avery was behind bringing Damp and Diop to this team, and they were the anchors of the defense that made us the team we were.

I realize I'm beating my head against a brick wall here, but to claim that Avery took Nellie's team to the Finals is ridiculous.

I'm not claiming that Avery is the answer here. In fact if we lose this series I want him fired, but to discount what Avery did to get this team further than Nelson ever did is asinine.

But, you're one of the people that gives Nelson a free pass for quitting but not really quitting on this team until Cuban agreed to pay him, so this argument is pointless.

[FINtastic]

Originally Posted by Darth Ape

I liken that to Barry Switzer taking Jimmy Johnson's team to an NFL championship, only Avery didn't win jack shit.

This would would be a relevant point if Switzer outdid Jimmy in the same way that Avery outdid Nellie. That didn't happen.

[rabbitproof]

Let's save these recycled arguments for the offseason.

[alexamenos]

Originally Posted by Darth Ape

...on my Mavericks.

On your Mavericks? Funny, I was under the impression you were Golden State Warriors fan.

Your posts and your points are nonsense as usual--knee-jerking cuban-contrarian nonsense....

[Darth Ape]

Originally Posted by jthig32

Except that Avery was behind bringing Damp and Diop to this team, and they were the anchors of the defense that made us the team we were.

I realize I'm beating my head against a brick wall here, but to claim that Avery took Nellie's team to the Finals is ridiculous.

I'm not claiming that Avery is the answer here. In fact if we lose this series I want him fired, but to discount what Avery did to get this team further than Nelson ever did is asinine.

But, you're one of the people that gives Nelson a free pass for quitting but not really quitting on this team until Cuban agreed to pay him, so this argument is pointless.

Diop was a Donnie Nelson guy. Avery had almost nothing to do with scouting him and building that relationship. Amadou Fall was a Nelson hired scout and the man who brought him to Oak Hill from Africa.

But yes, Dampier was an Avery guy, and Dampier has been a complete disaster. Trading 2 first round picks, nearly 10 million in expring contracts, Najera for a guy with a 7 year near max contract should be labled as one of the biggest bonehead moves in Maverick history. You could have signed someone off the street that could give you what Dampier has given us... and you have. His name is Dasagna Diop and he's been the best playoff center on the Mavs the past two years.

[Darth Ape]

Originally Posted by FINtastic

This would would be a relevant point if Switzer outdid Jimmy in the same way that Avery outdid Nellie. That didn't happen.

Who's outdoing who? Are you even watching this playoff series? Nelson's making Avery look like the junior varsity coach that he is.

[jthig32]

Originally Posted by Darth Ape

Diop was a Donnie Nelson guy. Avery had almost nothing to do with scouting him and building that relationship. Amadou Fall was a Nelson hired scout and the man who brought him to Oak Hill from Africa.

But yes, Dampier was an Avery guy, and Dampier has been a complete disaster. Trading 2 first round picks, nearly 10 million in expring contracts, Najera for a guy with a 7 year near max contract should be labled as one of the biggest bonehead moves in Maverick history. You could have signed someone off the street that could give you what Dampier has given us... and you have. His name is Dasagna Diop and he's been the best playoff center on the Mavs the past two years.

The point is that Nelson would never have played Diop. Ever.

And we all know your points on Damp, however, for full disclosure it should be pointed out that one of those "first round picks" has since turned into cash because of all its protection clauses. And the other pick was this year's pick, so we traded the 31st pick in the draft.

And your points about Damp are ridiculous as usual. He's our best center, he's head and shoulder better than Diop in most matchups, and you can not higher a player off the street to do his job.

[FINtastic]

Originally Posted by Darth Ape

Who's outdoing who? Are you even watching this playoff series? Nelson's making Avery look like the junior varsity coach that he is.

2 Super Bowls > 1 Super Bowl

1 Finals Appearance > 0 Finals Appearances

Again, it's not a relevant point.

And like thig said, Nellie and Avery pretty much had completely different rosters when both made their deepest runs.

[Flacolaco]

[Mavdog]

Originally Posted by Darth Ape

Ross Perot was smart enough to know that he wasn't a basketball guy. He hired the best guys in the business and let them do their job. The same can't be said for Mark Cuban. As passionate as he is, he is NOT a basketball guy. There are people out there smarter than him, like Don Nelson and Pat Riley. And those people are making a sport out of making Mark Cuban look like a fool.

you seem to be under the misconception that mark cuban is playing or that mark cuban is coaching the mavs. don nelson and pat riley are NOT making cuban look like a fool in ANY way. they may be showing that they are more experienced coaches than avery johnson, but that's the extent of it.

give me a "basketball guy" as an owner of a basketball team that I am a fan of, or for that matter in any sport give me an owner who cares.

Over the past 3-4 years, Cuban has relied less and less on the expertise of those on his payroll and is making most of the basketball decisions on his own.

conjecture on your part.

He let Steve Nash walk, most likely without consulting and/or without the approval of his coach and GM.

disputable revisionist history.

He had the architect of his team escorted out of the building and then subsequently treated him like dirt because his ego couln't stand sharing credit.

really, the divorce between cuban and nelson was about ego? odd but the facts say it was about nelson not caring as much as he should, not being as focused and hard working as his boss wanted. the facts are that he was not actively running all the practices and frankly was just going through the motins most days.

if it was truly about ego (and that is disputable), then why would you let nelson get a free pass on his inflated ego but lay all the blame on cuban? after all it is nelson who worked for cuban not the other way around. in my professional career it has been clear to me that I must follow the directives of my superiors, not that my superiors must follow my desires.

He reversed the team direction from the innovative, cutting edge style that has since taken over WC playoff basketball to a slow, boring style that talk radio windbags told him was the only way to win a championship, but that in fact delivers only embarassing postseason colapses.

"taken over"???? just WHAT team with the supposed "innovative, cutting style" (I take that to mean all offense all the time and defense being secondary) has won the championship?

hint: the answer is NONE. nada.

so much for "taking over".....

His incompetent meddling with this team is the direct cause of what we're seing right now... the crumbling of the Maverick Dynasty that never was. The check has come due. The egg is in the face. It's time for the "benefactor" to leave our Mavss and go fuck up the Pirates or the Cubs, or to run his lame-brain entertainment company into the ground. I'm tired of looking at the man and tired of smelling the stink he leaves on my Mavericks.

good, if you're tired of being a fan of the mavericks there are over two dozen other teams that you can root for. go for it, I hope you find the happiness that you seek.

don't let the door hit you as you leave.

[Murphy3]

I'd love for Cuban to sell the team and take AJ with him...

[DarenG]

WTH would you want Cuban to sell the team? We were a dissaster before he got here. He made the franchise competitive. Do you realize how many cheap ass owners there are in the NBA who could care less about the franchise? Do you realize how many bad owners there are who see the team as an investment and nothing more?

Give me an owner who cares about the team and is willing to spend money over any one of those guys any day of the week. Championship or no. There is no guarantee the next guy that comes in here won't be one of the type mentioned above. Holy crud. People are getting punch drunk in here.

[SeattleMavsFan]

Originally Posted by DarenG

WTH would you want Cuban to sell the team? We were a dissaster before he got here. He made the franchise competitive. Do you realize how many cheap ass owners there are in the NBA who could care less about the franchise? Do you realize how many bad owners there are who see the team as an investment and nothing more?

Give me an owner who cares about the team and is willing to spend money over any one of those guys any day of the week. Championship or no. There is no guarantee the next guy that comes in here won't be one of the type mentioned above. Holy crud. People are getting punch drunk in here.

good post and I agree completely!

[Darth Ape]

Originally Posted by DarenG

WTH would you want Cuban to sell the team? We were a dissaster before he got here. He made the franchise competitive. Do you realize how many cheap ass owners there are in the NBA who could care less about the franchise? Do you realize how many bad owners there are who see the team as an investment and nothing more?

Give me an owner who cares about the team and is willing to spend money over any one of those guys any day of the week. Championship or no. There is no guarantee the next guy that comes in here won't be one of the type mentioned above. Holy crud. People are getting punch drunk in here.

Wrong. Before Cuban came, Nelson had already acquired Dirk Nowitzki and Steve Nash. All Cuban did was spend money on a bunch of spare parts that never worked out. The list is endless... Antawn Jamison, Raef LaFrentz, Alan Henderson, Nick Van Exel, Keith Van Horn. The reason the Mavs turned the corner. The ONLY reason they turned the corner, was because of moves made years before Cuban arrived. Most of the moves since then have been disasters. In my opinion, Mark Cuban inherited a dynasty and did everything he could to make sure it failed.

In addition, the idea that Cuban is still spending freely on this team is flat out wrong. He tried to buy a championship early on in his tenure and failed. Money is only good when its spent wisely, and Cuban spent his money like an idiot. But that was then and this is now. In the last couple of years he's let future 2 time MVP playing in his prime walk just to save a couple million bucks. He's let tens of millions of dollars in contracts expire without getting a single damn thing in return. He earned his reputation in his early years by spending wildly on mediocre players. But he's betrayed that repuation recently by letting good players leave the team simply for money reasons. He's gone from trying to buy a championship to selling the Mavs championship in order to line his pockets... or in Mark's words "to make his dick a couple inches longer"

[kg_veteran]

Hater.

[jthig32]

I question what MadApe would do without the owner that gives him his schtick.

[Darth Ape]

Originally Posted by jthig32

I question what MadApe would do without the owner that gives him his schtick.

answer - buy season tickets

[Nemesis]

Originally Posted by jthig32

I question what MadApe would do without the owner that gives him his schtick.

that is all it is...just ignore the poor chimp and he will go away.

[MAVS DE DE DE]

Or shoot them like a lame horse, cause they are done!

[victornewman]

It is really easy to determine who is a true Mavs fan and who isn't.
ANYONE who would prefer the pre-Cuban/Perot days doesn't know squat and CERTAINLY wasn't a fan back then.

Cuban has made his share of mistakes and he irks me sometimes, but him buying the Mavs was the best thing to ever happen to this organization.
Back in the day, nobody wanted to play in Dallas. The worst thing that could happen to a player was to be traded to the Mavs. The Mavs were at one time considered the worst franchise in the HISTORY OF SPORTS!!!!

Cuban came in and his passion and excitement was addicting. He put butts in seats. He has toned down a lot. I think becoming a family man and father has changed him, which is a good thing.
Cuban is a fan first, owner second type of guy and if he were to ever sell this team, well.... at least you could tell your grandkids about the good 'ole days when the Mavs made the playoffs.

[MAVS DE DE DE]

wHY WOULD YOU BE A Fan PEriod? Oh ya cause you are a deusch bag!!!!

[Gaddabout]

How much power does Donn Nelson have? This guy is so valuable as someone who assesses talent, and he's like Brian Colangelo in that he knew everyone important in the NBA before he had his first job. It seems like Cuban would be the ideal owner if he would let Nelson be the face of the front office. It's telling to me that I had to actually look it up to see if Donnie was still there.

I've covered pro basketball before, and NBA front office types have mucho esteem for Donnie. He's no slouch.

[Windmill360]

This is not Nelsons doing. If we had won the last three games we would all be saying how Nelson is an idiot and how his ploys failed.

[come_on_now]

Originally Posted by MAVS DE DE DE

wHY WOULD YOU BE A Fan PEriod? Oh ya cause you are a deusch bag!!!!

Why does this guy still have an account here?

[Windmill360]

already banned

[SeattleMavsFan]

Originally Posted by victornewman

It is really easy to determine who is a true Mavs fan and who isn't.
ANYONE who would prefer the pre-Cuban/Perot days doesn't know squat and CERTAINLY wasn't a fan back then.

Cuban has made his share of mistakes and he irks me sometimes, but him buying the Mavs was the best thing to ever happen to this organization.
Back in the day, nobody wanted to play in Dallas. The worst thing that could happen to a player was to be traded to the Mavs. The Mavs were at one time considered the worst franchise in the HISTORY OF SPORTS!!!!

Cuban came in and his passion and excitement was addicting. He put butts in seats. He has toned down a lot. I think becoming a family man and father has changed him, which is a good thing.
Cuban is a fan first, owner second type of guy and if he were to ever sell this team, well.... at least you could tell your grandkids about the good 'ole days when the Mavs made the playoffs.

this man knows what he's talking about!