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Rick41 · 04-29-2008, 10:51 PM

Lets face it, this dude has got to go. He had one good season in our finals run but other than that, he simply lacks the sense of knowing what to do out there.

What can we get for him? What are the chances you think of him being shipped out this summer? Does his dumba$$ move of saying he tokes it up hurt his value? (if any is left)

Opinions people, i need to make myself feel better!

cinemablend · 04-29-2008, 10:55 PM

Should have traded him after the loss to Golden State in the first round last year... or maybe mid-season this year.

He had a LOT of value then.

Mavs should have traded him for a 2 guard and kept Devin Harris.

Now, who knows. Trade him for some first round picks.

cinemablend · 04-29-2008, 11:03 PM

Interesting idea... ESPN here: http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/playof...le-Suns-080429

Is suggesting that the Suns need to trade Leandro Barbosa and their Number 15 pick for a 3.

Leandro Barbosa and a 15 for Josh Howard?

What do you folks think of that?

Dtownsfinest · 04-29-2008, 11:04 PM

He's at the worst value he'll ever be in his career right now. Factor in his horrible play and his comments made last week and you have someone who has no trade value right now. I think at this point your best bet is to keep him and hope he gets some guidance in the offseason and turns his game up. Right now I can't imagine what you'd get for him. An aging veteran? Guy in the 31-33 age range? I guess if you feel this team is 1 guy away from a championship but its not. This team needs to start from scratch.

Dtownsfinest · 04-29-2008, 11:06 PM

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Originally Posted by cinemablend

Interesting idea... ESPN here: http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/playof...le-Suns-080429

Is suggesting that the Suns need to trade Leandro Barbosa and their Number 15 pick for a 3.

Leandro Barbosa and a 15 for Josh Howard?

What do you folks think of that?

I wouldn't trade Grant Hill for Josh Howard at this point. If they'd give us Barbosa for Josh I say bring it. Give us a #15 too? Where do I sign? Who knows. Josh would probably have his best season of his career playing alongside Nash.

chumdawg · 04-29-2008, 11:09 PM

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Who knows. Josh would probably have his best season of his career playing alongside Nash.

Haven't you heard him tell it? He just HAD the best season of his career!

BGMaverick9 · 04-29-2008, 11:15 PM

That's an interesting deal but it's questionable too. The pick definitely helps make it interesting. Barbosa is quick and can get to the rim. He definitely isn't a 2, and he hasn't taken the big step yet to be a border-line all-star.

It's not terrible, but also not great.
I would think about it, but I would hope to get some better offers.

Dtownsfinest · 04-29-2008, 11:18 PM

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Haven't you heard him tell it? He just HAD the best season of his career!

LOL. I guess statistically he'd be right but his play was so good the 1st half of the season it gives a skewed view of how bad he was for the majority of the season.

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That's an interesting deal but it's questionable too. The pick definitely helps make it interesting. Barbosa is quick and can get to the rim. He definitely isn't a 2, and he hasn't taken the big step yet to be a border-line all-star.

It's not terrible, but also not great.
I would think about it, but I would hope to get some better offers.

Barbosa isn't a 2 or did you mean he is a 2? I don't think he's a point and he's another undersized 2 but unlike Terry he attacks the basket. But the Suns would never do a deal with a rival. Not in a million years.

BGMaverick9 · 04-29-2008, 11:22 PM

Sorry, I meant he is NOT a 2. Phoenix is in a bind though so they sometimes put him there.
For improvement, I don't think they have a lot of legit options for trading partners. People are going to have to take bigger risks and trade in conference.

Dtownsfinest · 04-29-2008, 11:27 PM

The Suns would have to be desperate. I don't understand why they don't try Diaw at the 3. He's not a 4 is he?

Rick41 · 04-29-2008, 11:35 PM

They use him at the 4 since they hardly have any size.

fluid.forty.one · 04-30-2008, 12:10 AM

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Originally Posted by chumdawg

Haven't you heard him tell it? He just HAD the best season of his career!

yeah, but he was high when he said that.

antoinewalker · 04-30-2008, 12:13 AM

let's trade him for tracy mcgrady!

ghazi · 04-30-2008, 12:26 AM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=14wICbAqX9E

I miss Josh

Rick41 · 04-30-2008, 01:44 AM

Is that so ghazi? You think J-Ho really gives a sh!t about this team?

"The final straw came Monday, when coach Avery Johnson canceled that day’s practice after learning that Josh Howard held his 28th birthday party at a Dallas nightclub after Sunday’s Game 4 defeat."

cinemablend · 04-30-2008, 03:22 AM

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But the Suns would never do a deal with a rival. Not in a million years.

Er... they have Nash. They got him from us.

Granted it was a three team deal... but ultimately... ?

Dtownsfinest · 04-30-2008, 03:30 AM

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Er... they have Nash. They got him from us.

Granted it was a three team deal... but ultimately... ?

They got Nash through free agency. They didn't get him from us.

mqywaaah · 04-30-2008, 03:38 AM

What could we possibly get for Josh Howard? If Shaq was traded, then he could too!

alby · 04-30-2008, 03:40 AM

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let's trade him for tracy mcgrady!

don't we want to get out of the first round?

MavsX · 04-30-2008, 07:23 AM

I hope we keep Josh Howard. Look, if he goes somewhere else, he is going to excel..we all know it. Then every guy on this board is going to never let Cuban forget it. Just like with Nash, and Harris. I say keep josh howard.

horse900703 · 04-30-2008, 08:06 AM

I agree!!!!!
Trade him for Sean Marion!!!

nikeball · 04-30-2008, 08:55 AM

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I agree!!!!!
Trade him for Sean Marion!!!

Whotf is Sean Marion? Is that Shawn Marion's alter ego? A crime fighter of the NBA?

Underdog · 04-30-2008, 09:00 AM

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Whotf is Sean Marion? Is that Shawn Marion's alter ego? A crime fighter of the NBA?

Sean Marion is fair trade value for Josh Howard - we certainly couldn't get Shawn Marion for him!

sike · 04-30-2008, 09:12 AM

I'm very interested to see what they will be get in return for Josh...would anyone want him at anything other than a huge discount?

littlelibo · 04-30-2008, 09:53 AM

I know this is going to sound crazy given Josh's actions of the past week, but hear me out.

Is it possible that Josh's problem was Avery? I have always thought that Josh was not the smartest player in the world. His mental mistakes have always been there (remember the time out against Miami). It has also been said many times that he is very emotional player (evidenced by the way he carries himself on the court). I do not think these attributes are new. His play has always compensated for it. Over the last few weeks, it sounds like Avery was becoming more and more abusive to his players. He has for years thrown various players under the bus... Devin and Dirk have always played through it because they are mentally strong people and they saw Avery for what he was.

Is it possible that recently Josh has drawn Avery's rath and he just collapsed under the pressure. My wife is a huge hoosier fan and she always told me how certain players could play for Coach Knight and some could not. Some people are mentally up to that type of abuse and some aren't. Is it possible that Josh is still the same player we saw the last few years and just needs a different coach that he trusts?

I just think trading a player at his all time low value may not be the solution. Maybe Josh would rally with the right leadership. Let's not forget that he was the last player taken in the draft, and built himself to a 20 point 7 rebound player...

Let's see who the coach is before we dump him.

Kidd Karma · 04-30-2008, 11:18 AM

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Originally Posted by littlelibo

I know this is going to sound crazy given Josh's actions of the past week, but hear me out.

Is it possible that Josh's problem was Avery? I have always thought that Josh was not the smartest player in the world. His mental mistakes have always been there (remember the time out against Miami). It has also been said many times that he is very emotional player (evidenced by the way he carries himself on the court). I do not think these attributes are new. His play has always compensated for it. Over the last few weeks, it sounds like Avery was becoming more and more abusive to his players. He has for years thrown various players under the bus... Devin and Dirk have always played through it because they are mentally strong people and they saw Avery for what he was.

Is it possible that recently Josh has drawn Avery's rath and he just collapsed under the pressure. My wife is a huge hoosier fan and she always told me how certain players could play for Coach Knight and some could not. Some people are mentally up to that type of abuse and some aren't. Is it possible that Josh is still the same player we saw the last few years and just needs a different coach that he trusts?

I just think trading a player at his all time low value may not be the solution. Maybe Josh would rally with the right leadership. Let's not forget that he was the last player taken in the draft, and built himself to a 20 point 7 rebound player...

Let's see who the coach is before we dump him.

I think this could be true, given that after Harris was dealt, AJ needed a new whipping boy, and it sure wasn't going to be Kidd. I think that explains why Howard was a dominant figure in 05-06 under Johnson, versus Howard in 2008. Harris is gone, Howard is AJ's new focus. If we can some how get Redd, whether it's with Howard, Terry or any other piece, I say do it.

Murphy3 · 04-30-2008, 11:19 AM

I wish the Mavs would have called me about what to do with the Mavs. I would have traded that piece of shit after he made the all-star game. He is one of the dumbest players I've ever seen in my life. The guy has a negative basketball IQ. It is difficult to believe that an NBA player can have so little concept of how to play the game of basketball... but, it's no wonder when you look at how freaking stupid the guy is off the court.

No, I'm not saying that he's not a good player. I'm saying that his stupidity on the court has always negated much of the good that he does that shows up in the box score. And now that his game has taken several steps back, what are the Mavs left with? They're left with a selfish, mediocre, and stupid player that's worth pennies on the dime.

littlelibo · 04-30-2008, 12:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Kidd Karma

I think this could be true, given that after Harris was dealt, AJ needed a new whipping boy, and it sure wasn't going to be Kidd. I think that explains why Howard was a dominant figure in 05-06 under Johnson, versus Howard in 2008. Harris is gone, Howard is AJ's new focus. If we can some how get Redd, whether it's with Howard, Terry or any other piece, I say do it.

But why would Mil trade Redd? Has that been rumored?

Tokey41 · 04-30-2008, 01:09 PM

Remember when we used to talk about Terry for Maggette? Well, now it's been downgraded to talks like Howard for Maggette. We shouldn't trade him in the summer... we should hope that he boosts his value up at the start of the season, find a sucker, and don't look back.

Ben Gordon and filler for Howard?

BGMaverick9 · 04-30-2008, 01:09 PM

I think they see him as expendable now. Then people are tying the quotes to Redd saying he loved playing with Kidd with Team USA.

sike · 04-30-2008, 01:13 PM

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I think they see him as expendable now. Then people are tying the quotes to Redd saying he loved playing with Kidd with Team USA.

Mike Miller, Corey Maggette, Michael Redd, Ron Artest, Elton Brand...I like these names...they are nice to say.

Usually Lurkin · 04-30-2008, 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Tokey41

We shouldn't trade him in the summer... we should hope that he boosts his value up at the start of the season, find a sucker, and don't look back.

for this reason, shouldn't we be trying to trade Terry?

Dirkenstien · 04-30-2008, 01:28 PM

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Originally Posted by littlelibo

But why would Mil trade Redd? Has that been rumored?

Milwuakee is trying to unload Redd and from what I've read from multiple Bucks fans they would entertain the idea of swapping these two straight up for each other.

MavsX · 04-30-2008, 01:28 PM

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Originally Posted by littlelibo

I know this is going to sound crazy given Josh's actions of the past week, but hear me out.

Is it possible that Josh's problem was Avery? I have always thought that Josh was not the smartest player in the world. His mental mistakes have always been there (remember the time out against Miami). It has also been said many times that he is very emotional player (evidenced by the way he carries himself on the court). I do not think these attributes are new. His play has always compensated for it. Over the last few weeks, it sounds like Avery was becoming more and more abusive to his players. He has for years thrown various players under the bus... Devin and Dirk have always played through it because they are mentally strong people and they saw Avery for what he was.

Is it possible that recently Josh has drawn Avery's rath and he just collapsed under the pressure. My wife is a huge hoosier fan and she always told me how certain players could play for Coach Knight and some could not. Some people are mentally up to that type of abuse and some aren't. Is it possible that Josh is still the same player we saw the last few years and just needs a different coach that he trusts?

I just think trading a player at his all time low value may not be the solution. Maybe Josh would rally with the right leadership. Let's not forget that he was the last player taken in the draft, and built himself to a 20 point 7 rebound player...

Let's see who the coach is before we dump him.

this is exactly what i was saying earlier. Keep Josh Howard. Get a new coach. do it.

vjz · 04-30-2008, 02:21 PM

Keep Josh for now... trade him before the deadline next year, hopefully his trade value would've picked up by then.

LonghornDub · 04-30-2008, 02:24 PM

The decision of whether or not to keep Josh has nothing to do with a new coach. The only factor that comes into play is who we can get for him.

If, say a Mike Miller for Josh trade comes up, you do that without ever looking back.

jacktruth · 04-30-2008, 02:30 PM

I would normally say keep him and see how he responds to a new coach, but I think that all the crap that went on. . .there must be bad blood with the team. No matter how crazy your coach is, you do what he says. That's the way the world works. You don't go home, suck down a blunt and half-ass it in the playoffs. That just weak character.

Dirk, Terry, Bass, and Kidd are the only players that showed up in this series. If Josh made 10% more of his shots in this series, we may still be in it. But his attitude left. Trade him to Indiana with half the roster fo JO. Then he can be reunited with sleepy Daniels and they can share "off-season" doobies.

alby · 04-30-2008, 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Murphy3

I wish the Mavs would have called me about what to do with the Mavs. I would have traded that piece of shit after he made the all-star game. He is one of the dumbest players I've ever seen in my life. The guy has a negative basketball IQ. It is difficult to believe that an NBA player can have so little concept of how to play the game of basketball... but, it's no wonder when you look at how freaking stupid the guy is off the court.

No, I'm not saying that he's not a good player. I'm saying that his stupidity on the court has always negated much of the good that he does that shows up in the box score. And now that his game has taken several steps back, what are the Mavs left with? They're left with a selfish, mediocre, and stupid player that's worth pennies on the dime.

This is the reason why I go to d-m.com

Murph for the win

alby · 04-30-2008, 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Dirkenstien

Milwuakee is trying to unload Redd and from what I've read from multiple Bucks fans they would entertain the idea of swapping these two straight up for each other.

one makes 14 million
one makes 9 million

we are over the cap
doesn't work

Knickfan · 04-30-2008, 02:35 PM

It's ironic how people thought Michael Finley was expendable once Josh Howard came into the picture and now after only having him for two years as one of the team's leaders, he's worthless and only in his fourth or fifth season in the league? What's ironic about it is Finley probably only has about two or three years at the MOST in the league and I'd take him in a HEART BEAT over Howard right now. I heard Finley wouldn't do all the things Avery wanted him to do but Howard would, well maybe Finley knew better...