Dallas-Mavs.com Forums

Go Back   Dallas-Mavs.com Forums > Everything Else > Political Arena

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 10-28-2008, 08:25 AM   #1
Silk Smoov
Banned
 
Silk Smoov's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Posts: 2,885
Silk Smoov is a splendid one to beholdSilk Smoov is a splendid one to beholdSilk Smoov is a splendid one to beholdSilk Smoov is a splendid one to beholdSilk Smoov is a splendid one to beholdSilk Smoov is a splendid one to beholdSilk Smoov is a splendid one to beholdSilk Smoov is a splendid one to beholdSilk Smoov is a splendid one to beholdSilk Smoov is a splendid one to beholdSilk Smoov is a splendid one to behold
Default Obama opposes slavery reparations, apology!

Lets put a end to the slandering of what Obama stands for. Lets take the time to really know how Obama thinks on this issue. Here it is for you that have another agenda, rather than telling the truth on Obama. Cut right to the chase on this issue. Another example of Obama just gets it. This is not about COLOR, it is just about what is right, and what it takes to turn America around in our times. Obama speaks to the soul of EVERY American. America deserves Obama !!!!

Obama opposes slavery reparations, apology

SPRINGFIELD, Ill. - US Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama opposes offering reparations to the descendants of slaves, putting him at odds with some black groups and leaders.
The man with a serious chance to become the nation's first black president argues that government should instead combat the legacy of slavery by improving schools, health care and the economy for all.

"I have said in the past -- and I'll repeat again -- that the best reparations we can provide are good schools in the inner city and jobs for people who are unemployed," the Illinois Democrat said recently.
Some two dozen members of Congress are co-sponsors of legislation to create a commission that would study reparations -- that is, payments and programs to make up for the damage done by slavery.

The National Association for the Advancement of Colored People supports the legislation, too. Cities around the country, including Obama's home of Chicago, have endorsed the idea, and so has a major union, the American Federation of State, County and Municipal Employees.

Obama has worked to be seen as someone who will bring people together, not divide them into various interest groups with checklists of demands. Supporting reparations could undermine that image and make him appear to be pandering to black voters.

"Let's not be naive. Sen. Obama is running for president of the United States, and so he is in a constant battle to save his political life," said Kibibi Tyehimba, co-chair of the National Coalition of Blacks for Reparations in America. "In light of the demographics of this country, I don't think it's realistic to expect him to do anything other than what he's done."

But this is not a position Obama adopted just for the presidential campaign. He voiced the same concerns about reparations during his successful run for the Senate in 2004.

There's enough flexibility in the term "reparations" that Obama can oppose them and still have plenty of common ground with supporters.

The NAACP says reparations could take the form of government programs to help struggling people of all races. Efforts to improve schools in the inner city could also aid students in the mountains of West Virginia, said Hilary Shelton, director of the NAACP's Washington bureau.

"The solution could be broad and sweeping," Shelton said.

The National Urban League -- a group Obama is to address Saturday -- avoids the word "reparations" as too vague and highly charged. But the group advocates government action to close the gaps between white America and black America.

Urban League President Marc Morial said he expects his members to press Obama on how he intends to close those gaps and what action he would take in the first 100 days of his presidency.

"What steps should we take as a nation to alleviate the effects of racial exclusion and racial discrimination?" Morial asked.

The House voted this week to apologize for slavery. The resolution, which was approved on a voice vote, does not mention reparations, but past opponents have argued that an apology would increase pressure for concrete action.

Obama says an apology would be appropriate but not particularly helpful in improving the lives of black Americans. Reparations could also be a distraction, he said.

In a 2004 questionnaire, he told the NAACP, "I fear that reparations would be an excuse for some to say, 'We've paid our debt,' and to avoid the much harder work."

Taking questions Sunday at a conference of minority journalists, Obama said he would be willing to talk to American Indian leaders about an apology for the nation's treatment of their people.

Pressed for his position on apologizing to blacks or offering reparations, Obama said he was more interested in taking action to help people struggling to get by. Because many of them are minorities, he said, that would help the same people who would stand to benefit from reparations.

"If we have a program, for example, of universal health care, that will disproportionately affect people of color, because they're disproportionately uninsured," Obama said. "If we've got an agenda that says every child in America should get -- should be able to go to college, regardless of income, that will disproportionately affect people of color, because it's oftentimes our children who can't afford to go to college."

One reparations advocate, Vernellia Randall, a law professor at the University of Dayton, bluntly responded: "I think he's dead wrong."

She said aid to the poor in general won't close the gaps -- poor blacks would still trail poor whites, and middle-class blacks would still lag behind middle-class whites. Instead, assistance must be aimed directly at the people facing the after-effects of slavery and Jim Crow laws, she said.

"People say he can't run and get elected if he says those kinds of things," Randall said. "I'm like, well does that mean we're really not ready for a black president?"
Silk Smoov is offline   Reply With Quote
Sponsored Links
Old 10-28-2008, 08:42 AM   #2
Underdog
Moderator
 
Underdog's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: 41.21.1
Posts: 36,143
Underdog has a reputation beyond reputeUnderdog has a reputation beyond reputeUnderdog has a reputation beyond reputeUnderdog has a reputation beyond reputeUnderdog has a reputation beyond reputeUnderdog has a reputation beyond reputeUnderdog has a reputation beyond reputeUnderdog has a reputation beyond reputeUnderdog has a reputation beyond reputeUnderdog has a reputation beyond reputeUnderdog has a reputation beyond repute
Default

Screw reparations - the last thing African-Americans need is another handout... Besides, Obama is offering something much more long-lasting - hope...


Give a man a fish, he'll eat for a day... Teach a man to fish, he'll eat for a lifetime...

(I love that cliché because it's so true!)
__________________

These days being a fan is a competition to see who can be the most upset when
your team loses. That proves you love winning more. That's how it works.
Underdog is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-28-2008, 08:59 AM   #3
Silk Smoov
Banned
 
Silk Smoov's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Posts: 2,885
Silk Smoov is a splendid one to beholdSilk Smoov is a splendid one to beholdSilk Smoov is a splendid one to beholdSilk Smoov is a splendid one to beholdSilk Smoov is a splendid one to beholdSilk Smoov is a splendid one to beholdSilk Smoov is a splendid one to beholdSilk Smoov is a splendid one to beholdSilk Smoov is a splendid one to beholdSilk Smoov is a splendid one to beholdSilk Smoov is a splendid one to behold
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Underdog View Post
Screw reparations - the last thing African-Americans need is another handout... Besides, Obama is offering something much more long-lasting - hope...


Give a man a fish, he'll eat for a day... Teach a man to fish, he'll eat for a lifetime...

(I love that cliché because it's so true!)
Please explain the part in bold..
Silk Smoov is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-28-2008, 09:07 AM   #4
Flacolaco
Rooting for the laundry
 
Flacolaco's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2006
Posts: 21,342
Flacolaco has a reputation beyond reputeFlacolaco has a reputation beyond reputeFlacolaco has a reputation beyond reputeFlacolaco has a reputation beyond reputeFlacolaco has a reputation beyond reputeFlacolaco has a reputation beyond reputeFlacolaco has a reputation beyond reputeFlacolaco has a reputation beyond reputeFlacolaco has a reputation beyond reputeFlacolaco has a reputation beyond reputeFlacolaco has a reputation beyond repute
Default

I think he means Taco Bell's free taco give away today from 2pm to 6pm.

(seriously don't answer him UD, there is no good answer to that question )
__________________
Flacolaco is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-28-2008, 09:52 AM   #5
Underdog
Moderator
 
Underdog's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: 41.21.1
Posts: 36,143
Underdog has a reputation beyond reputeUnderdog has a reputation beyond reputeUnderdog has a reputation beyond reputeUnderdog has a reputation beyond reputeUnderdog has a reputation beyond reputeUnderdog has a reputation beyond reputeUnderdog has a reputation beyond reputeUnderdog has a reputation beyond reputeUnderdog has a reputation beyond reputeUnderdog has a reputation beyond reputeUnderdog has a reputation beyond repute
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Flacolaco View Post
I think he means Taco Bell's free taco give away today from 2pm to 6pm.

(seriously don't answer him UD, there is no good answer to that question )
No need to answer the obvious...

If Silk doesn't realize that African-Americans receive a disproportionate amount of welfare because they suffer from a disproportionate lack of opportunities, then he doesn't understand the root problem of his culture's suffering... Also, if he wasn't so quick to jump on the defensive every time a white person made an observation about black culture, then maybe he'd be able to recognize an ally when he sees one...
__________________

These days being a fan is a competition to see who can be the most upset when
your team loses. That proves you love winning more. That's how it works.
Underdog is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-28-2008, 10:31 AM   #6
Silk Smoov
Banned
 
Silk Smoov's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Posts: 2,885
Silk Smoov is a splendid one to beholdSilk Smoov is a splendid one to beholdSilk Smoov is a splendid one to beholdSilk Smoov is a splendid one to beholdSilk Smoov is a splendid one to beholdSilk Smoov is a splendid one to beholdSilk Smoov is a splendid one to beholdSilk Smoov is a splendid one to beholdSilk Smoov is a splendid one to beholdSilk Smoov is a splendid one to beholdSilk Smoov is a splendid one to behold
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Underdog View Post
No need to answer the obvious...

If Silk doesn't realize that African-Americans receive a disproportionate amount of welfare because they suffer from a disproportionate lack of opportunities, then he doesn't understand the root problem of his culture's suffering... Also, if he wasn't so quick to jump on the defensive every time a white person made an observation about black culture, then maybe he'd be able to recognize an ally when he sees one...
Ok, now I get it. Black reparations is welfare. So, lets do away with welfare because we have more whites on welfare than blacks, so that program does not work for reparations. Can you find something to where only blacks are getting hand-outs so that way I can better recognize slavery reparations? I think as an ally you can help in this effort.

Please allies like that, I dont need enemies. Please also dont try to tell me the root problem of MY culture, because you cant be farther from the truth about MY culture. Yes, I will ALWAYS be defensive when you make a statement that says "Blacks have been given enough hand-outs."

Then Mr.Moderator stepped in because he knew your statement was very wrong, and your reply back from my question was going to be bad, since your initial statement was very much wrong..And dont forget, as others have posted, there is no way for me to know if a poster is white or black. I asked you a very simple question, and now you want to claim foul??? Go figure, even Flac knew your statement was going to lead to a question due to what you said.

Last edited by Silk Smoov; 10-28-2008 at 10:36 AM.
Silk Smoov is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-28-2008, 10:57 AM   #7
mavsgirl4134
Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Cocoa, Florida
Posts: 296
mavsgirl4134 is a splendid one to beholdmavsgirl4134 is a splendid one to beholdmavsgirl4134 is a splendid one to beholdmavsgirl4134 is a splendid one to beholdmavsgirl4134 is a splendid one to beholdmavsgirl4134 is a splendid one to beholdmavsgirl4134 is a splendid one to beholdmavsgirl4134 is a splendid one to beholdmavsgirl4134 is a splendid one to beholdmavsgirl4134 is a splendid one to beholdmavsgirl4134 is a splendid one to behold
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Silk Smoov View Post
Ok, now I get it. Black reparations is welfare. So, lets do away with welfare because we have more whites on welfare than blacks, so that program does not work for reparations. Can you find something to where only blacks are getting hand-outs so that way I can better recognize slavery reparations? I think as an ally you can help in this effort.

Please allies like that, I dont need enemies. Please also dont try to tell me the root problem of MY culture, because you cant be farther from the truth about MY culture. Yes, I will ALWAYS be defensive when you make a statement that says "Blacks have been given enough hand-outs."

Then Mr.Moderator stepped in because he knew your statement was very wrong, and your reply back from my question was going to be bad, since your initial statement was very much wrong..And dont forget, as others have posted, there is no way for me to know if a poster is white or black. I asked you a very simple question, and now you want to claim foul??? Go figure, even Flac knew your statement was going to lead to a question due to what you said.
That is true. Hasn't anyone seen those "rednecky" places? Bobbie Sue sure is poppin out kids like it's nobodies business. Do ya think she works? Nah, She's pretty content living in her nice 2 bedroom trailer on wheels. When it's time to get food fer all her youngins, she'll load 'em up in her old beat down Ford van and drive 'em into town to the discount grocery store and buy everything with her welfare checks.

So to be fair, African Americans aren't the only ones getting "handouts." Those "rednecky" people draw unemployment and get welfare checks more than you think. In fact, I think the "rednecks" get more of a handout than African Americans. Those rednecks can get up off their lazy asses and stop popping out kids and go get a freakin job.
mavsgirl4134 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-28-2008, 11:01 AM   #8
Flacolaco
Rooting for the laundry
 
Flacolaco's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2006
Posts: 21,342
Flacolaco has a reputation beyond reputeFlacolaco has a reputation beyond reputeFlacolaco has a reputation beyond reputeFlacolaco has a reputation beyond reputeFlacolaco has a reputation beyond reputeFlacolaco has a reputation beyond reputeFlacolaco has a reputation beyond reputeFlacolaco has a reputation beyond reputeFlacolaco has a reputation beyond reputeFlacolaco has a reputation beyond reputeFlacolaco has a reputation beyond repute
Default

Quote:
Those rednecks can get up off their lazy asses and stop popping out kids and go get a freakin job.
I agree. Excellent conservative view point.
__________________
Flacolaco is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Tags
race bait


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump




All times are GMT -5. The time now is 07:56 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.