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11-13-2008, 11:32 AM
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Who needs to be THE MAN on this team?
If you're honest with yourself, you'll realize that for years we've been trying to fit a square peg in a round hole... That is, we're (fans, front office, mavs teammates) trying to make Dirk (easily our most talented player) the leader of this team. The Man. The one who without a doubt we can go to in the crunch. The one who WANTS the ball in those situations. The one who has that killer instinct and lives for the pressure...That dude!
The fact is, Dirk is none of these. Crucial game after crucial game we expect Dirk to single-handedly put the team on his back and carry us to victory... and the majority of the time we're let down and come away dissapointed. Our expectations are too high for Dirk and frankly he's just not built that way... as talented and supremely gifted as he is... he aint THAT DUDE! SO, with the current roster as it is today, who do you think has the mental strength, the talent, the guts, and the killer instinct to be THE MAN on this team going forward?
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11-13-2008, 11:38 AM
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There's only one guy on this squad talented enough to be THE MAN - better force that square peg into that round hole a lot harder!
(or find yourself another THE MAN, because nobody else on this squad comes close...)
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11-13-2008, 11:42 AM
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I'm so tired of this discussion. Dirk can not single handedly carry a team to victory night in and night out. He is not MJ. Granted.
But if you're making the argument that Dirk does not want big shots, and does not make big shot, and does not carry the load offensively down the stretch of big games, you're not making any sense. Such tired head. Perhaps a list of who "The Dudes" are in the NBA would help.
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11-13-2008, 11:47 AM
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11-13-2008, 11:50 AM
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Can someone ask Silk if people who don't think Dirk can be "the man" are racist?
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11-13-2008, 11:51 AM
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Yes, Lemarcus Aldridge is our answer to scoring in crunch time.
*giant eyeroll*
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11-13-2008, 11:57 AM
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These days being a fan is a competition to see who can be the most upset when your team loses. That proves you love winning more. That's how it works. Last edited by Underdog; 11-13-2008 at 11:58 AM. |
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11-13-2008, 11:59 AM
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Also, isn't asking the question "who needs to be THE MAN on this team" a bit sexist?
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These days being a fan is a competition to see who can be the most upset when your team loses. That proves you love winning more. That's how it works. Last edited by Underdog; 11-13-2008 at 12:00 PM. |
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11-13-2008, 12:01 PM
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Teams like the Mavericks don't have enough talent on the roster to even make this a legitimate discussion.
The Mavs are "Dirk and Co.", and its been that way for quite some time.
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11-13-2008, 12:16 PM
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Gerald Green. No joke. We've seen recently that swingmen that can get to the line at will REALLY boost a team in the playoffs. Green is athletic enough and has many offensive tools that he can really break guys down and draw fouls. He needs to mature and stop making silly turnovers (which I think he will take care of very soon) and I think he can be a Batman in the final minutes of a game. He's got the determination of JET in the waning moments with an offensive potential of Dirk, Kobe, etc.
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11-13-2008, 12:19 PM
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Also, Green is playing like he's pissed off. He's hungry. Easily the hungriest player we have on our team. Don't get me wrong, Dirk can be the man, but he needs big help. I just think Green is the guy that's going to really elevate this team and be a difference maker. We already know what Dirk, Kidd, and Josh bring. Josh can give us a boost, but he has not shown the ability to carry us late in a game to a win. Terry has shown this, but he's really not skilled/athletic enough to count on consistantly.
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11-13-2008, 12:20 PM
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11-13-2008, 12:28 PM
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this guy should be the man:
suns- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i3ZNoeCTP-4 raptors- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VsezSLdYcik clippers- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cLxOz1YbZC4 spurs- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n_NEzPfVOEs jazz- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x3TDVx1MctI lakers- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DjXxq5lHUHI and many others.
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11-13-2008, 12:32 PM
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I'm ok with whatever happens to this team as long as were not chasing our tails in circles until Dirk is unable to perform at at high level. But here is my prediction of the future of this team as it is currently constructed:
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11-13-2008, 01:19 PM
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Dirk is absolutely "the Man." Just because he's not a super agile guard doesn't mean he's not cut out for end-game scenarios.
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I think Green has to become Robin if Dirk is batman, they need to take pressure off each other. Especially if one of them is having a bad game. Dirk is the MAN on this team but sometimes he struggles because hs main strength is jumpshooting, Green's ability to get to the freethrow line and also shoot will help us tremendously in close games.
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Gerald Green doesn't have to be Batman or Robin - he just needs to be that solid 2-guard we've lacked for the last few seasons and this team will have already improved significantly...
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Just have all 3 of them on the damn court in the 4th Qrtr, that would be a great start.
Carlisle has failed to notice the trend of us not being able to make up for the late 3rd and early 4th qrtr runs by the other teams. We need wins, not well-rested players right now. He has to stop allowing our leads to be depleted by the time our starters get back in for the 4th. They need that cushion to keep the pressure on these teams. Seems like Dirk and the other starters are back to square 1 when they re-enter. Last edited by SMC0007; 11-13-2008 at 02:40 PM. |
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11-13-2008, 02:34 PM
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Green is no Robin... he's like a batgirl.
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11-13-2008, 02:36 PM
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Gotta be Dirk.
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11-13-2008, 02:42 PM
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So help me God if Green is our Robin...
Let's hope he keeps it up. but if he's the #2 option on a team with aspirations, there's problems. |
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This site makes my ears and eyes bleed so much... the level of stupidity at times is unfathomable.
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11-13-2008, 03:42 PM
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I vote NVE
...my last shot still goes to Jet
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11-13-2008, 03:47 PM
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Dirk is the man, but he's no motivator.
Dirk is super-highly skilled and a giant and all that, but a team leader needs some other qualities. His will to win has to be contagious. Batman has it, I don't know if Dirk does. We certainly learned that you can't rely on the coach to bring that for too long. and Robin is a goof sometimes, and Batman saves him more often than he saves Batman, but he's always reliable, and usually comes through in the clutch. I think JHo is effectively ruled out. |
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JHO >>>>GREEN. but like so many have said before, were only 7 games into the season.
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Umm actually I think Green is a lot more talented then Josh. I think if Green can settle down and work on his game with this team. At 25 he will be way ahead of where Josh was. Just saying
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even though I disagree with that statement, that's not even what we're talking about.
We're talking about right now... not where Green could be 3 years from now. You're a fool if you'd play Green over Howard right now. I'm not saying they can't both find playing time, because I'm on the record saying Green should be getting a lot of playing time, but let's not go overboard. |
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Green is not more talented than Josh. Come on. I've got to wonder if anybody who says that ever watched Josh play basketball in college (or anytime before the 06-07 season, really).
Josh has some issues, including a seemingly low aptitude for the game, but talent simply is not one of them.
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I don't doubt that Green has more talent/potential/athleticism than Josh, but Josh is the better player.
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