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jthig32 · 11-13-2008, 11:03 PM

Bleah. I got nothing.

You know what? That mini-run at the end of the game just pissed me off more. Because it was the first intensity they had shown since the early second quarter.

I'm honestly stunned by the effort tonight.

Sorry Murph, Dirk did not just miss shots tonight. He was poor in every phase of the game for the second game in a row.

Thanks to Damp for showing up and playing his ass off.

Everyone else, I can't remember the last time I was this disappointed in a team.

I have no interest in discussing this further. Night all.

Bayliss · 11-13-2008, 11:05 PM

Dirk justn't can't jump anymore. Even when he drives to the bucket, he can't jump to "finish." And that has affected his rebounding too. Guys can bat the ball out of his hands before he can jump and secure it.

Zki41 · 11-13-2008, 11:06 PM

Trade Dirk to LA so he can win a ring.. then pray we can win LeBron in 2010.

Dtownsfinest · 11-13-2008, 11:08 PM

I have no problem with guys just missing shots. But this team shows no effort. And Carlisle doesn't even look as if he knows what he's doing. How far can the "experiment" get him? At what point do you deal Kidd? Seriously, i'm laughing at all these idiots in the league who are trying to clear cap space for 2 years down the road when the Bosh, Melo, 'Bron free agent race begins but dammnit maybe the Mavs should think about getting in on the mix. I don't even want to see this team win anything. They're heartless. I'm sick of watching them. I don't blame them too much. We have a handful of good players. Donnie Nelson deserves some blame. He's been getting a pass ever since his dad left. I'm done. I think i've lost about 20 years off my life this year messing with the Mavs, Rangers and Cowboys.

fluid.forty.one · 11-13-2008, 11:08 PM

This is the first time I've ever considered a Dirk trade. Not considering it very strongly at all, but still.

If he ever wants to be successful in the NBA again, he's going to have to stop playing international basketball. I hope it's not too late already.

Dtownsfinest · 11-13-2008, 11:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Zki41

Trade Dirk to LA so he can win a ring.. then pray we can win LeBron in 2010.

Trading Dirk to LA won't do that. Dirk to NY for Marbury might do it. I'd actually like to see a Knick team with Dirk on it.

fluid.forty.one · 11-13-2008, 11:11 PM

I just imagined Dirk in LA. I think I'd trust their other 3 point shooters more. He sure wouldn't improve that team if he keeps playing like he has the past two games.

rmacomic · 11-13-2008, 11:11 PM

How did it get this bad?

DubOverdose · 11-13-2008, 11:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Dtownsfinest

Trading Dirk to LA won't do that. Dirk to NY for Marbury might do it. I'd actually like to see a Knick team with Dirk on it.

I only would because of D'Antoni. He'd probably get a lot out of Dirk. Then again, I also thought Carlisle would be able to integrate Kidd really well in to the offense and Dirk would never have nights like this.

DubOverdose · 11-13-2008, 11:14 PM

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Originally Posted by rmacomic

How did it get this bad?

Well, we were a top team last year when we had Devin, the he got injured and we dropped some. Then, we traded Devin and got worse....then this season we got even worse. This is not just a few games that have been piss poor, we're in a 50 game downward spiral.

Dtownsfinest · 11-13-2008, 11:16 PM

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Originally Posted by DubOverdose

I only would because of D'Antoni. He'd probably get a lot out of Dirk. Then again, I also thought Carlisle would be able to integrate Kidd really well in to the offense and Dirk would never have nights like this.

Yea D'Antoni is my reasoning for wanting to see him. Dirk would be the 1st superstar they've had there since.....damn Ewing? Was LJ a superstar his last days there? I feel like crap right now. If we do decide to get rid of Dirk I want numerous draft picks in return. If we could get Kidd for some draft picks I want just as many if not more for Dirk.

GermanDunk · 11-13-2008, 11:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Dtownsfinest

Trading Dirk to LA won't do that. Dirk to NY for Marbury might do it. I'd actually like to see a Knick team with Dirk on it.

wat

Zki41 · 11-13-2008, 11:19 PM

I don't think any of this can be blamed on Kidd. He makes our offense great and he flirts with a triple double every night, unless he actually gets one. It's everyone else not responding to him, and when Kidd is out where we have problems. That's just the beginning.

twistaeffect2004 · 11-13-2008, 11:19 PM

I don't think it's knee jerking to admit that this team has looked old, and uninspired.

sike · 11-13-2008, 11:21 PM

this is the worst post game thread in a long time...

Itachi · 11-13-2008, 11:21 PM

Trading Dirk isn't the answer IMO.

LonghornDub · 11-13-2008, 11:23 PM

It's funny how the titles for the post-game threads have gotten progressively more depressing.

Tokey41 · 11-13-2008, 11:23 PM

It's not Kidd's fault personally, it's the trade's fault as a whole. I don't know how many times that needs to be said.

Anyway, trading Dirk? Really? It's still quite early but if this team is finished by the trade deadline (way below 500.) then I'd assume major shakeups would be in order. That is one hell of a powerful trade chip and if they consider it I hope they get something incredible (unlikely).

Zki41 · 11-13-2008, 11:24 PM

If we traded him, we would trade Dirk for us to start re-building and giving up on this season, not to try to win.

Mavs Rule · 11-13-2008, 11:24 PM

So much for the AAC's consecutive sellout streak. I don't blame them. Who wants to pay to see what we saw tonight? Hopefully they will turn this thing around.

mavsjunkie · 11-13-2008, 11:24 PM

All I can do is laugh at this circus called the Dallas Mavericks and our strange fan-base. We completely run the only guy that's taken us to a championship series out of town, and we pray for a guy like the one we have now, and same if not worse results.

WAKE UP MAVERICK FANS, WE DON'T HAVE TALENT. We didn't have talent when Avery was here, same thing now. Dirk is a 1 dimensional player, NOT A SUPER STAR, but keep your love for him please.

Howard is no where near a super star player, he's very very average. The Jet is playing un inspired and has never brought consistancy to the table, he'll tease you with a great game every once in a blue moon.

Damp is 1 dimensional, no offense at ALL, including Diop.

These other guys are scrubs, we have a team of softies on this squad, nothing on this team is championship caliber, except maybe grandpa Kidd. Which by the way, we got rid of our only true slasher, true game changer just based on his speed and finishing skill set.

So you got what you wanted Mavs fan, Johnson is gone as you wanted, and we're worse off. Go ahead and curse me out, show off in front of your Board buddies, but when you get off the computer tonight, you will KNOW i'm telling the truth.

Congrats.

fluid.forty.one · 11-13-2008, 11:25 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lSatHkX63Fg

whens the last time dirk looked like ANY of the plays in this video

Mavs Rule · 11-13-2008, 11:27 PM

I wonder if the writing was on the wall, when Dirk was talking about playing out his contract, and maybe playing for Germany after that.

sike · 11-13-2008, 11:28 PM

you have a rather misleading profile name.

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Originally Posted by mavsjunkie

All I can do is laugh at this circus called the Dallas Mavericks and our strange fan-base. We completely run the only guy that's taken us to a championship series out of town, and we pray for a guy like the one we have now, and same if not worse results.

WAKE UP MAVERICK FANS, WE DON'T HAVE TALENT. We didn't have talent when Avery was here, same thing now. Dirk is a 1 dimensional player, NOT A SUPER STAR, but keep your love for him please.

Howard is no where near a super star player, he's very very average. The Jet is playing un inspired and has never brought consistancy to the table, he'll tease you with a great game every once in a blue moon.

Damp is 1 dimensional, no offense at ALL, including Diop.

These other guys are scrubs, we have a team of softies on this squad, nothing on this team is championship caliber, except maybe grandpa Kidd. Which by the way, we got rid of our only true slasher, true game changer just based on his speed and finishing skill set.

So you got what you wanted Mavs fan, Johnson is gone as you wanted, and we're worse off. Go ahead and curse me out, show off in front of your Board buddies, but when you get off the computer tonight, you will KNOW i'm telling the truth.

Congrats.

GermanDunk · 11-13-2008, 11:29 PM

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Originally Posted by fluid.forty.one

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lSatHkX63Fg

whens the last time dirk looked like ANY of the plays in this video

You´re right f41. Something must have happened meanwhile.

ghazi · 11-13-2008, 11:31 PM

Sad days in Mavsland.
Sad sad days.

Thoughts:

Dampier- 2 consecutive good games

Defense- terrible, couldn't stop penetration whatsoever. Got a slew of blocks, but irrelevant.

Dirk- Body language is terrible. Seems very uninterested, apathetic, uncomfortable, slow, tired etc. Just looks terrible out there. Now I don't know what goes on in Dirk's mind, so I won't go as far as to say he's quit or something. But something is wrong right now... and I'm very concerned about it.

If we lose to the Magic tommorow night, its time to bustout the emergency panic button... 9 games into the season, I don't care. You have to draw the line somewhere. 15 games? 20 games? 30 games? Nah, 9 games

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Go Mavs.

Tokey41 · 11-13-2008, 11:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Zki41

If we traded him, we would trade Dirk for us to start re-building and giving up on this season, not to try to win.

If NJ can get Harris, Diop, and two first rounders for Jason Kidd then we could get a nice package for Dirk. Of course that's probably one of the best packages i've ever seen received for an all-star. I mean aside from Kwame Brown...

But even despite that raping of Memphis the worst would have to be Vince Carter for Eric Williams, Aaron Williams, Alonzo "No Show" Mourning, and a couple draft picks.

ghazi · 11-13-2008, 11:33 PM

If we're done by the trade deadline, I wouldn't mind seeing Dirk traded at all. Even though his body language has been very uninspiring the past few games, I still love the Dirkster and wanna see him go somewhere where he can contend. Dunno if that makes me a bad fan or not, but whatever.

In any case, I feel we have nowhere to go but up. But it has to start some place, some time. That time is tommorow, that place is at the AAC.

Another note, a lot of sloppy play/turnovers yetr again tonight. What's with all the missed "bunnies" too?

Jeez.

Dtownsfinest · 11-13-2008, 11:33 PM

I don't want to trade Dirk but honestly what else is there left to do? We've gotten rid of Finley and Nash. We got rid of Nellie. We got rid of AJ. I just don't know what else is there to do other than rebuild. We're just getting older. Does anyone have any other opinions on what this team should do in order to have some form of future?

GermanDunk · 11-13-2008, 11:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Mavs Rule

I wonder if the writing was on the wall, when Dirk was talking about playing out his contract, and maybe playing for Germany after that.

That´s nonsens ! He would lash the whole league with one hand. That´s no challenge for Dirk.

dude1394 · 11-13-2008, 11:35 PM

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Originally Posted by fluid.forty.one

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lSatHkX63Fg

whens the last time dirk looked like ANY of the plays in this video

Man that was a fun night at the arena.. He sorta had that step when jkiddo first got here but I haven't seen it this year at all.

sike · 11-13-2008, 11:39 PM

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Originally Posted by dude1394

Man that was a fun night at the arena.. He sorta had that step when jkiddo first got here but I haven't seen it this year at all.

something tangible is wrong with him...

Zki41 · 11-13-2008, 11:39 PM

Honestly the two players I would keep right now would be Josh and Green if the Mavs were to rebuild. Everyone else is old, expiring, or valuable in a rebuilding trade, or a mix of these. If what Dirk said about his future is true, and that he may retire after this contract is up, then I'm not sure what to expect except that although I'd like to see him end his career in Dallas, just letting him walk would be bad for our future.

LonghornDub · 11-13-2008, 11:39 PM

GermanDunk made some off-hand remark about Dirk's dad in another thread. Wonder what that's all about.

Flacolaco · 11-13-2008, 11:44 PM

Just because I like this jpeg....

DevinHarriswillstart · 11-13-2008, 11:46 PM

I don't think this is Dirk's fault. The guy has put the team on his back for so long that it's finally worn on him. What would everyone expect?

I think I found the fatal flaw of the team. I was just going to go off on Jason Terry but I realize that it's not really his fault (even though he does suck). The problem is that this team for some reason can only win when 4-5 players play really well, if not great. It's something that I'm not even sure I get but it always seems that to win, Dirk, Kidd, Howard, Terry and probably someone else all need to have spectacular games to win or just be in the game. That means that a team game is not being played. If you look at the Bulls' stats, they only had three players play big. But the rest of the team chipped in and filled in the holes enough to ensure victory. Why can't we ever get a win like that? These f***ing iso plays are still happening whether they are being called or not. Players just stand around and then it's a one-on-one game on offense. Sad. Pathetically sad. Kidd's poor stats tonight were a reflection of the rest of the team not understading how to get easy baskets.

Oh and Stackhouse playing is just a flat our representation of the team right now. He played 2 more minutes than Green. I just feel sorry more for Carlisle practially begging to look like an idiot in regards to that. So long as this guy plays more than 10 mpg, we are going to lose.

A trade has to be made sooner or later so....why not sooner? I'm not ready to give up on the season and neither should management. Something has to be done.

SMC0007 · 11-13-2008, 11:46 PM

Man it's crazy that when I brought up trading Dirk as a newcomer here a few months ago, I got blasted for the thought of it. Now I'm reading the exact thing I said several times and by some that wouldn't have even entertained the idea. I also said that even though it was pre-season you can't allow a team like Chicago to come back and get a win like they did and I caught BS for that too. They sure looked comfy against us tonight. But lately what team doesn't...

Bookit · 11-13-2008, 11:47 PM

Sad to say but Dirk just doesn't look like the same player. Maybe he looks good every few games but not every night. Jet looks like a good player about every 5 games. Josh looks good still but has fallen off also. Damp and Diop have always relied on the others scorers stay in the NBA. Our scrubs don't look that good either. The ony positive is Gerald Green who doesn't get big minutes for whatever reason. The game is much more fun to watch when Green is in there because he is the future if they can re-sign him.

They just aren't fun to watch anymore. They really want to win and try really hard. They just aren't very good. I feel sorry for Carlilse.

Bookit · 11-13-2008, 11:49 PM

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Originally Posted by DubOverdose

Well, we were a top team last year when we had Devin, the he got injured and we dropped some. Then, we traded Devin and got worse....then this season we got even worse. This is not just a few games that have been piss poor, we're in a 50 game downward spiral.

That pretty much sums it up.

sike · 11-13-2008, 11:50 PM

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Originally Posted by SMC0007

Man it's crazy that when I brought up trading Dirk as a newcomer here a few months ago, I got blasted for the thought of it. Now I'm reading the exact thing I said several times and by some that wouldn't have even entertained the idea. I also said that even though it was pre-season you can't allow a team like Chicago to come back and get a win like they did and I caught BS for that too. They sure looked comfy against us tonight. But lately what team doesn't...

the difference is context. When you said it, it was goofy (New coach, getting acclimated to Kidd, Howard needing a retrenching year). Now it may be a bitter reality. You may turn out to be right though.