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SMC0007 · 11-14-2008, 12:06 AM

I'm not sure I can see this getting any better on a long term basis. How long will we try to drive on this flat? Will it end with a few trades, a major trade (Dirk) or will it just get so humiliating and heart-wrenching as it sets a record on being one of the more talented teams that failed beyond belief. I fear the thought of rolling this mess out there for the rest of the season.

erdubya · 11-14-2008, 12:34 AM

My crystal ball tells me Dirk is gonna get traded for someone of perceived similar value this season... and we go from a potentially 46 win team to a 35 win team. Then we'll resign Dirk for the MLE this summer for 2009/10 and it gets even worse.

Dirkadirkastan · 11-14-2008, 12:36 AM

jthig32 · 11-14-2008, 08:09 AM

It certainly won't be the whole season. If this thing still looks like this in January, at the very least Kidd and Stack will be moved. I have no idea whether teh team has the nuts to go all in and move Dirk, but this roster certainly won't look the same if they continue to suck past Christmas.

And as painful as it feels right now, it's still way to early to even think about trading away the best player your franchise has ever seen. As bleek as things seem right now, 8 games is not enough time to make a decision like that.

seelenjaeger · 11-14-2008, 08:55 AM

We still have a better starting record than this other season...

basketballgirl25 · 11-14-2008, 08:58 AM

if the Mavericks go into panic mode and start trading now I'd laugh at the Mavericks. It's only like what 8 games. If they aren't doing good by December or so, it's time for them to start looking for trades for all the players the only way for this team to get better is to look into all the options, even Dirk if trading him is the best thing. For the future it would be better to trade Dirk when he is still good instead of getting nothing for him, maybe thy won't trade Dirk and will do something with Kidd, Stack or everyone else on the team, but I have a gut feeling it might be Dirks year to be talked about to be traded and maybe even traded if Mavericks aren't doing well. I mean Mavericks have good players, but they all just don't go together

alexamenos · 11-14-2008, 10:38 AM

come trade deadline, it's time to blow this bastard to pieces. I wonder if they can get a fairly young point guard with a little upside and a couple of picks for kidd? and dirk...hate to see it, but you gotta get what you can for the dude while the gettin' is good. j-ho - trade him for a dime bag....nobody else is worth any damn thing.

BGMaverick9 · 11-14-2008, 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by jthig32

It certainly won't be the whole season. If this thing still looks like this in January, at the very least Kidd and Stack will be moved. I have no idea whether teh team has the nuts to go all in and move Dirk, but this roster certainly won't look the same if they continue to suck past Christmas.

And as painful as it feels right now, it's still way to early to even think about trading away the best player your franchise has ever seen. As bleek as things seem right now, 8 games is not enough time to make a decision like that.

I agree. Say he gets back into form next week, then most will be forgotten or people will say NOW trade him. Everyone has slumps in their game, I don't get why he isn't allowed to. He looked pretty bad to start the year last season as well. It might've been in a different way, but it was still a slump and he battled back. I'm a Dirk fan, I'll live with Dirk and die with him. It's too early to think about that kind of big deal because you're giving up for the next few years. I think you still have assets and talent around to still make a push for now and start working for the future.

You have to try to stay cautiously optimistic right now and just hope something can happen positively with the current team or find a way to make it better and avoid a blowup.

seelenjaeger · 11-14-2008, 11:29 AM

I wonder why everybody is so surprised. Most of the people who are around on this board KNEW that this team would suck to start with when we announced that adding Diop and signing Greene and Shawne Williams were all moves we´d do for now.

What do you expect? A new system to turn Stackhouse, George and all our mega-scrubs into superstars?

We have some decent players (Terry, Howard), we have some great ones (Dirk, Kidd), and we have a bunch of overrated homers (Bass, Damp, Diop) along with some new guys (Greene, Williams, Wright (kinda new aswell)) and a huge load of crappy benchers (Stackhouse, Barea).

If you have a team going well, the homers will shine and everything is fine, but they are for sure not the guys to get us out of the misery.

This team relies on Dirk as every year, and a new system / coach won´t change that overnight.

Our GM is unwilling to get in the help needed or even to DROP the unnecessary weight, so all we have to do is play the waiting game and cross our fingers that Dirk catches fire somehow and the flaechenbrand will light up Terry and Howard and Bass and Damp...

SMC0007 · 11-14-2008, 11:54 AM

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Originally Posted by BGMaverick9

I agree. Say he gets back into form next week, then most will be forgotten or people will say NOW trade him. Everyone has slumps in their game, I don't get why he isn't allowed to. He looked pretty bad to start the year last season as well. It might've been in a different way, but it was still a slump and he battled back. I'm a Dirk fan, I'll live with Dirk and die with him. It's too early to think about that kind of big deal because you're giving up for the next few years. I think you still have assets and talent around to still make a push for now and start working for the future.

You have to try to stay cautiously optimistic right now and just hope something can happen positively with the current team or find a way to make it better and avoid a blowup.

I hear ya. I'm not sure what the right move is at this point. I could easily imagine we could very well chug along to 9-21 record and then see some rumors flying around. IMO Dirk is allowed to have slumps, it's happened before and it will happen again as with all players. Just seems different this time. It's not just him.

Even if this turns around as mentioned, is it going to be enough to win in the end? I'm not sold we have the team makeup to win it all. If we get to the playoffs and lose first round, I'm not sure I would be much happier than if we were making obvious moves to retool. I would rather just rip the band aid off quickly instead of slowly and painfully..IF it is what is going to happen. While I haven't given up on what we got, I am more puzzled than ever about whats rolling out there. JThis is probably right, I guess come January things should get interesting one way or another.

BTW if/when things turnaround hopefully the DAMP of the last 2 games will be there waiting!

BGMaverick9 · 11-14-2008, 12:00 PM

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Originally Posted by SMC0007

I hear ya. I'm not sure what the right move is at this point. I could easily imagine we could very well chug along to 9-21 record and then see some rumors flying around. IMO Dirk is allowed to have slumps, it's happened before and it will happen again as with all players. Just seems different this time. It's not just him.

Even if this turns around as mentioned, is it going to be enough to win in the end? I'm not sold we have the team makeup to win it all. If we get to the playoffs and lose first round, I'm not sure I would be much happier than if we were making obvious moves to retool. I would rather just rip the band aid off quickly instead of slowly and painfully..IF it is what is going to happen. While I haven't given up on what we got, I am more puzzled than ever about whats rolling out there. JThis is probably right, I guess come January things should get interesting one way or another.

BTW if/when things turnaround hopefully the DAMP of the last 2 games will be there waiting!

I hear ya too

I'm loyal to 41. I believe it's a slump and like you said everyone is entitled to it...especially him since he does the heavy lifting night in and night out when no one else does and he's never shown that he'll do what he can for the team, like playing with a busted ankle.

Even at the end of this month you'll start to see something...16 games will be up and you'll be pretty close to that first quarter phase of the season. Either way, you need to start making serious decisions by then. You're either dead in the water, hovering at 500 or barely above it. That suggests that something would need to be done.

alby · 11-14-2008, 12:11 PM

We need another trade. Simple as that.

BGMaverick9 · 11-14-2008, 12:19 PM

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Originally Posted by alby

We need another trade. Simple as that.

Within reason, I'm for that.
What are your thoughts specifically?

Underdog · 11-14-2008, 12:24 PM

2-6

8 games = 10% of the season...

We better turn things around quickly because we're currently on pace for a 22-60 record this season!

BGMaverick9 · 11-14-2008, 12:41 PM

stat junkies will like this.
It talks about Josh and Dirk for their careers, and the past 3 years...quarter by quarter

http://sturminator.blogspot.com/2008....html#comments

LonghornDub · 11-14-2008, 01:55 PM

I'm still down for Mike Miller.

Underdog · 11-14-2008, 01:59 PM

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Originally Posted by LonghornDub

I'm still down for Mike Miller.

I was down for Mike Miller a year ago...

FINtastic · 11-14-2008, 02:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Underdog

2-6

8 games = 10% of the season...

We better turn things around quickly because we're currently on pace for a 22-60 record this season!

Sigh, I remember the days when the opposite of that record seemed like no big deal (60-22).