Dirk for Kobe, LeBron, and someone else - Dallas-Mavs.com Forums

AxdemxO · 01-20-2009, 01:28 PM

http://www.realgm.com/src_wiretap_ar...t_at_deadline/

Cuban Expecting Movement At Deadline?

Jan 20, 2009 5:37 AM EST

Mavericks' owner Mark Cuban believes that the economy could lead to an interesting trade deadline as teams may try to make moves to cut salary, the Dallas Morning News is reporting.

"That's the way it works every year," Cuban said. "You never know. This year will probably be a little more interesting because of the economy, as teams make adjustments to try and cut payroll. Maybe it won't be, but I'm guessing it will be."

"If there's just a deal I can't pass up, I'm not going to be religious about cap room," Cuban said. "If I could trade Dirk for Kobe, LeBron, and someone else, you'd have to consider it. When teams call about players, they all want bargains. We don't give bargains. We try to get bargains."

Flacolaco · 01-20-2009, 01:32 PM

And that's what you chose to name the thread...

craggmac · 01-20-2009, 01:34 PM

SMC0007 · 01-20-2009, 01:34 PM

haha.

And cue the "tags"

AxdemxO · 01-20-2009, 01:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Flacolaco

And that's what you chose to name the thread...

Yesss because I found that the funniest : )

He didnt even say that he would do it, he said "consider it'...lol

grndmstr_c · 01-20-2009, 01:36 PM

That Dirk bit is fluff. The more interesting part was just before:

"This year will probably be a little more interesting because of the economy, as teams make adjustments to try and cut payroll. Maybe it won't be, but I'm guessing it will be."

Does that sound like the perspective of a seller or a buyer to you?

AxdemxO · 01-20-2009, 01:39 PM

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Originally Posted by grndmstr_c

That Dirk bit is fluff. The more interesting part was just before:

"This year will probably be a little more interesting because of the economy, as teams make adjustments to try and cut payroll. Maybe it won't be, but I'm guessing it will be."

Does that sound like the perspective of a seller or a buyer to you?

To me it sound like a guy whose got a lot of money but understands that other owners dont have as much so that it will be natural for them to cut salary. I think he was talking about other owners in that statement more then himself

ty · 01-20-2009, 01:44 PM

Why?

SMC0007 · 01-20-2009, 01:45 PM

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Originally Posted by grndmstr_c

That Dirk bit is fluff. The more interesting part was just before:

"This year will probably be a little more interesting because of the economy, as teams make adjustments to try and cut payroll. Maybe it won't be, but I'm guessing it will be."

Does that sound like the perspective of a seller or a buyer to you?

Buyer/Trader. He thinks this team can compete, he's not giving up guys for money or for future. e thinks the future is now. Probably referring to other teams rebuilding or trying to clean house for free agency and maybe we can get a deal on someone we need.

basketballgirl25 · 01-20-2009, 01:49 PM

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Originally Posted by SMC0007

Buyer/Trader. He thinks this team can compete, he's not giving up guys for money or for future. e thinks the future is now. Probably referring to other teams rebuilding or trying to clean house for free agency and maybe we can get a deal on someone we need.

that's what I thought when I read that.

grndmstr_c · 01-20-2009, 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by AxdemxO

To me it sound like a guy whose got a lot of money but understands that other owners dont have as much so that it will be natural for them to cut salary. I think he was talking about other owners in that statement more then himself

I wasn't suggesting he was talking about himself, but rather that what he says about others may be a clue to how the Mavs are approaching the trade deadline. If they're expecting a lot of other teams to be sellers, that means they're expecting it to be a buyers' market. Mark's thinking like a buyer.

AxdemxO · 01-20-2009, 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by grndmstr_c

I wasn't suggesting he was talking about himself, but rather that what he says about others may be a clue to how the Mavs are approaching the trade deadline. If they're expecting a lot of other teams to be sellers, that means they're expecting it to be a buyers' market. Mark's thinking like a buyer.

Soo we all agree

rabbitproof · 01-20-2009, 02:02 PM

I hope the someone else is Devin Harris.

SIKEEEEE.

Cubes is just trying to the conversation flowing. Dirk is his "you can look but you can't touch" honey baby. He'll try to sell the other models though.

Underdog · 01-20-2009, 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by grndmstr_c

I wasn't suggesting he was talking about himself, but rather that what he says about others may be a clue to how the Mavs are approaching the trade deadline. If they're expecting a lot of other teams to be sellers, that means they're expecting it to be a buyers' market. Mark's thinking like a buyer.

Need a sign that says: Dump (Talented) Salary Here

Re-Dirk-ulous · 01-20-2009, 03:48 PM

The funniest part was, "they all want bargains. We don't give bargains. We try to get bargains."

I LOL'd

mac222b · 01-20-2009, 03:52 PM

great news for Mavs fans . hope there's someone available out there.

DevinHarriswillstart · 01-20-2009, 04:20 PM

My dark horse is still VC. Mainly because of our relationship with Kiki and New Jersey. If New Jersey keeps slumping, watch for that.

fluid.forty.one · 01-20-2009, 04:23 PM

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Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

My dark horse is still VC. Mainly because of our relationship with Kiki and New Jersey. If New Jersey keeps slumping, watch for that.

How many aging stars can this team handle?

basketballgirl25 · 01-20-2009, 04:27 PM

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Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

My dark horse is still VC. Mainly because of our relationship with Kiki and New Jersey. If New Jersey keeps slumping, watch for that.

If Nets keep slumping NJ could trade VC, but NJ is looking for young talent, who do the mavs have that is young that could be traded?

mac222b · 01-20-2009, 04:39 PM

Would have to be J-Ho/Stack. Maybe they'd throw in Jarvis Hayes if we're lucky. I still think Cleveland could offer a better deal w/ Sczerbiak, Hickson, 1st round pick. If we could get them a pick i think they'd do it and we'd get someone else back(Boone, Hayes)too.

horse900703 · 01-20-2009, 04:41 PM

that's crazy!

mac222b · 01-20-2009, 04:49 PM

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Originally Posted by fluid.forty.one

How many aging stars can this team handle?

One more?

DevinHarriswillstart · 01-20-2009, 04:57 PM

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Originally Posted by fluid.forty.one

How many aging stars can this team handle?

Boston handled three of them last season just fine...

fluid.forty.one · 01-20-2009, 05:00 PM

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Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

Boston handled three of them last season just fine...

yeah, but I'd take any of those three over Vince Carter.

SMC0007 · 01-20-2009, 05:01 PM

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Originally Posted by fluid.forty.one

How many aging stars can this team handle?

More importantly, his contract is gross.

DevinHarriswillstart · 01-20-2009, 05:07 PM

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Originally Posted by fluid.forty.one

yeah, but I'd take any of those three over Vince Carter.

So exactly who would you want then that is semi-feasible?

Name some young studs that you think teams would give us for Josh/Stack and maybe Bass....

fluid.forty.one · 01-20-2009, 05:10 PM

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Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

So exactly who would you want then that is semi-feasible?

Name some young studs that you think teams would give us for Josh/Stack and maybe Bass....

I'd rather have Gerald Wallace than Vince Carter.

SMC0007 · 01-20-2009, 05:14 PM

It's likely No team will give us anything for him. Teams aren't really into a guy that can be a duece head. There are several equal talents around but I don't tihnk we will get his talent back. We will take a hit on getting rid of him. Hopefully Hollins can counter that, LOLIN @Charlotte :P

MaVs 41 BaLler · 01-20-2009, 05:38 PM

It's just Mark using an example, and exaggerating.

monty55555 · 01-20-2009, 06:37 PM

I don't know if this deserves its own thread or not, so I just thought I'd put this article here. If a Mod feels it should be moved, please feel free to do so.

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Donnie On Mavs Trades: 'We Won't Go Down Looking'
DB.com Checks Nelson's Mood With Exclusive Visit With Dallas GM
By Mike Fisher -- DB.com

Donnie Nelson is sitting anxiously in the driver’s seat of his nondescript pickup truck – the one with the collection of John Deere gimme caps on the dashboard -- and his point-tipped right boot is perched above the accelerator. The engine is running and it is more than metaphoric when I say that the Mavs GM/Urban Cowboy is wishing to ride Ol’ Paint off into the sunset … or anywhere else he can escape my probing questions regarding the team’s needs as the NBA trade deadline approaches.

Finally – after many Donnie taps on that gas pedal and many Donnie fistbump-handshakes, both intended as nonverbal punctuation marks to indicate his desire the end this parking-lot Duel In The Sun – I break the code. It is a baseball analogy that aligns the tumblers.

“Last year, the Kidd trade was a swing for the fences,’’ I say, adding, “forgetting the critics, it would’ve been easier to not take that swing. Which brings me to this year: If you take that swing last year, doesn’t it logically follow that you take another swing this year?’’

Donnie is a sportsman and an educated man, a wordsmith who I think likes analogies. So he warms to the question.

“Let me put it this way,’’ Donnie says, and he takes his cowboy boot off the gas pedal. “We will step back into that batter’s box. And we won’t go down looking.’’

That is neither a guarantee of a brilliant trade or a trade at all. I do, however, take that remark and the rest of my conversation with Donnie and other members of the Mavs organization as confirmation that the Triangle of Trust is not gun-shy as a result of last February’s trade of Devin Harris-for-Jason Kidd that hasn’t had the desired top-tier-contender effect.

In this decade during the Cuban/Nelson Era, the Mavs have charged down every possible path in search of a title. Youth. Experience. Manic change. Stability. The moving, re-moving, and moving again of puzzle pieces. (DeSagana Diop’s participation in 2008 “notable transactions’’ may be the only category in which he ever leads the NBA.)

We are at the midway point of the NBA season and the Mavs have no traction. They have a decent record and they have strengths; an MVP-caliber star in Dirk Nowitzki and a Sixth Man of the Year leader in Jason Terry and a Hall-of-Fame point guard in Jason Kidd and, if Josh Howard can round back into form (after a year-and-a-half wait) a Four Horsemen collection of talent. They have pedigree; 8X50 and there is enough about their present pace to suggest they’ll flirt with 50 wins against this season. And they have a not-unenviable position in the Western Conference standings; one hot streak and they can vault into the milk-and-honey top four.

They have strengths and pedigree and positioning. But they do not have traction.

“Well, everything is relative,’’ Donnie tells me. “In the West, nobody is doing what the Lakers are doing. So the rest of the field – and it’s a good field – looks the way it does because the comparisons are made to what LA is.’’

But it’s too early and quite foolish to concede. A playoff berth gives a team a chance and a top-four seed in the West gives a team more than a chance. It gives a team momentum. Traction. A chance to hit a home run.

The full-fledged return of Howard would help. “Josh is a guy we believe in,’’ Donnie recently told the media at-large. “He’s an important weapon who makes us that much more dangerous. …’’

But one more piece via trade would help, too. The so-far results have proven that. The upcoming schedule – visits to Detroit and Boston this week, games against Orlando and Portland and Utah to start February -- will probably prove it, too.

The Mavs have their eye on the ball that is the Summer of 2010, as owner Mark Cuban acknowledged this week.

"If there's just a deal I can't pass up, I'm not going to be religious about cap room," Cuban said. "If I could trade Dirk for Kobe, LeBron and someone else, you'd have to consider it. When teams call about players, they all want bargains. We don't give bargains. We try to get bargains."

In other words, they try to hit home runs.

I think the Mavs will step back into the batter’s box. I think Donnie Nelson will step on his accelerator. I think Dallas will not go down looking.

1215pm jan 20 2009

http://www.dallasbasketball.com/fullColumn.php?id=1255

MavsWiLLHaVeRinGs · 01-20-2009, 06:40 PM

Why wasn't this simply put as a post in the time to trade Dirk thread?

alby · 01-21-2009, 10:29 AM

props to monty on the signature... as far as the tread goes? meh.

bernardos70 · 01-21-2009, 10:54 AM

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Originally Posted by OP

Dirk for Kobe, LeBron, and someone else

Pull the trigger on it! Now! Seriously, what is the mavs FO waiting on? That's perhaps the two the best players in the league. I mean, I <3 Dirk, but Kobe AND Lebron on the same team? We'll be a dynasty!

In other news, I miss the little blue moon (and no, you can'ts has tabloid jobs).

Tokey41 · 01-21-2009, 08:56 PM

The Mavs want something for nothing, we haven't been getting that at all as of late. But this year could be different, as Cuban said, lots of teams might want to deal because of the economy.

Well I think it's just great we don't make trades for the sake of making them (sarcasm).