Drew Gooden appreciation thread - Dallas-Mavs.com Forums

SMC0007 · 10-16-2009, 10:22 AM

Too soon?

He is gonna help this team tremendously!

DirkFTW · 10-16-2009, 11:01 AM

Thank you for shaving.

DevinHarriswillstart · 10-16-2009, 11:06 AM

I'm on board. His offense is so much better than I thought that I care a lot less about his defense. And that has somewhat impressed me too. He is a decent man defender just a poor helpside one. Oh well, you can't have everything. Offensively he can be relied on when needed. He carried the team in the first half against Detroit. He can also fill stats in areas that aren't his strengths, like the four steals against the Grizzlies. Nice to see that when you have a somewhat subpar game.

mavs777 · 10-16-2009, 03:39 PM

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I'm on board. His offense is so much better than I thought that I care a lot less about his defense. And that has somewhat impressed me too. He is a decent man defender just a poor helpside one. Oh well, you can't have everything. Offensively he can be relied on when needed. He carried the team in the first half against Detroit. He can also fill stats in areas that aren't his strengths, like the four steals against the Grizzlies. Nice to see that when you have a somewhat subpar game.

understatement he refuses to step in, that being said I agree with what you have to say his offense is going to be a nice addition to the team

DevinHarriswillstart · 10-16-2009, 06:06 PM

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understatement he refuses to step in, that being said I agree with what you have to say his offense is going to be a nice addition to the team

Remember though that help-side often means that the second defender has to be there because the first defender couldn't cover his man. An example of this happened last night when Dirk couldn't cover his man and Gooden didn't really do anything to help once the man got by. This probably will be the achilles heal of the team when those two are out there. However, I'd like to see as much accountability on the first defender that let their man drive on them, whoever that may be. If Dirk or Kidd or whoever can't cover their man then they are as much to blame. This is why I'm getting a little tired of the constant nagging on Gooden's defense since there are other players on the team with defensive deficiencies.

Mavericknyc1980 · 10-17-2009, 02:23 PM

How old is Drew Gooden???

Underdog · 10-17-2009, 02:35 PM

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How old is Drew Gooden???

The answer you seek is in this video...

tcat075 · 10-18-2009, 08:05 PM

UD, that was lame.

Underdog · 10-18-2009, 08:29 PM

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UD, that was lame.

Lamer than not looking up Drew Gooden's age on Google?

fluid.forty.one · 10-18-2009, 09:02 PM

I don't think Murph appreciates this appreciation thread one bit.

chumdawg · 10-18-2009, 10:03 PM

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I don't think Murph appreciates this appreciation thread one bit.

We'll probably get away with it, because most of the time Murph is busy...sucking a d.

darkwitzki · 11-16-2009, 10:40 PM

Time to light up the thread !

tcat075 · 11-16-2009, 10:42 PM

Gooden played just how he should. Scrappy around hte basket, getting tip ins, getting boards. Great game for him.

DevinHarriswillstart · 11-16-2009, 10:42 PM

Yep. Lotsa posters 'round here need to be eatin' some crow.

monty55555 · 11-16-2009, 10:48 PM

He played really well. He was amazing.

Jon Avalon · 11-16-2009, 10:51 PM

Well he sure came out of his shell tonight, big time. Happy he had a great game, but he must continue to play that well. Hope he does, regardless when damp comes back.

SMC0007 · 11-16-2009, 11:28 PM

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Yep. Lotsa posters 'round here need to be eatin' some crow.

damn right. Lap it up people.

Underdog · 11-16-2009, 11:30 PM

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Yep. Lotsa posters 'round here need to be eatin' some crow.

I'll eat a heapin' helpin' if he can play like he did tonight with any consistency (<--- key word...)

CadBane · 11-16-2009, 11:31 PM

I'd like to see the PoTC beard return.

Dirkadirkastan · 11-16-2009, 11:31 PM

My position hasn't changed. When his head is in the game, he contributes. When it isn't, his mind wanders and he'll do stuff like walk around out of bounds for no reason.

LonghornDub · 11-17-2009, 12:08 AM

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I'll eat a heapin' helpin' if he can play like he did tonight with any consistency (<--- key word...)

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My position hasn't changed. When his head is in the game, he contributes. When it isn't, his mind wanders and he'll do stuff like walk around out of bounds for no reason.

Ditto both of these remarks. Further, I'm going to say that I'm still a long way away from eating any crow. We've had several players play isolated good games from time to time (remember when Croshere dropped 34 on the Sonics?). My problem with Gooden was never that he doesn't ever play well, it's that he is far too inconsistent for his level of talent.

Like I said in the GDT, if, over the rest of the season, he plays this well once every handful of games and doesn't play like an asshole in the majority of the other games, I will retract everything I said about him.

sike · 11-17-2009, 12:33 AM

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if he plays this well once every handful of games and doesn't play like an asshole in the majority of the other games, I will retract everything I said about him.

this is very fair for a guy who when Damp is healthy will only be playing half the game.

jthig32 · 11-17-2009, 08:04 AM

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Yep. Lotsa posters 'round here need to be eatin' some crow.

He had a great game. I'm very happy about that. I never said the guy didn't have talent. But he's a knucklehead and is known to be incredibly inconsistent.

If you expect him to start rolling out games like this on a consistent basis you're going to be sorely disappointed.

DevinHarriswillstart · 11-17-2009, 08:26 AM

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He had a great game. I'm very happy about that. I never said the guy didn't have talent. But he's a knucklehead and is known to be incredibly inconsistent.

If you expect him to start rolling out games like this on a consistent basis you're going to be sorely disappointed.

It's the expectations that are flat-out ridiculous. If Gooden doesn't have a game like last night, then everyone thinks he sucks.

jthig32 · 11-17-2009, 08:59 AM

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It's the expectations that are flat-out ridiculous. If Gooden doesn't have a game like last night, then everyone thinks he sucks.

Well I can't speak for everyone but I certainly don't feel that way. But before the last two games, he HAS sucked. Horribly.

sike · 11-17-2009, 10:11 AM

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If you expect him to start rolling out games like this on a consistent basis you're going to be sorely disappointed.

while I agree about the frequency of such a high quality game, I would also offer that he will not be getting so many minutes except on rare occasions when Damp is either out or the match up demands that Damp sit.

I wouldn't be surprised if he could average 12 and 8 and a block and a half per for this team given starters minutes. Which I would be happy with.

SMC0007 · 11-17-2009, 11:49 AM

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He had a great game. I'm very happy about that. I never said the guy didn't have talent. But he's a knucklehead and is known to be incredibly inconsistent.

If you expect him to start rolling out games like this on a consistent basis you're going to be sorely disappointed.

Since when have we ever had consistency at the center position around here? I can't remember. The expectations of Damp are so damn low it would blow peoples mind if he had a game like that. The only thing he does consistently is set great picks and grab some boards. Now that isn't the only things he can do, but its the only things he brings consistently.

I just hope that the minutes between them are managed to get the best from both of them, and roll with whos hot. I can't complain about either one of them this season.

sike · 11-17-2009, 11:53 AM

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Since when have we ever had consistency at the center position around here? I can't remember. The expectations of Damp are so damn low it would blow peoples mind if he had a game like that. The only thing he does consistently is set great picks and grab some boards. Now that isn't the only things he can do, but its the only things he brings consistently.

I just hope that the minutes between them are managed to get the best from both of them, and roll with whos hot. I can't complain about either one of them this season.

Damp plays very good post defense.

bernardos70 · 11-17-2009, 12:22 PM

I'll stop blocking out the fact that we acquired this guy once he starts averaging a double-double for the season, how about that?

jthig32 · 11-17-2009, 12:24 PM

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Since when have we ever had consistency at the center position around here? I can't remember. The expectations of Damp are so damn low it would blow peoples mind if he had a game like that. The only thing he does consistently is set great picks and grab some boards. Now that isn't the only things he can do, but its the only things he brings consistently.

I just hope that the minutes between them are managed to get the best from both of them, and roll with whos hot. I can't complain about either one of them this season.

As Sike already noted, what Damp does very consistently (other than rebound) is play quality defense in the post. Not only on his man (assuming it's a good matchup, which is not nearly as rare as people make it out to be), but also as a help side defender.

And it just so happens that this is the very most important aspect for a center on this team, for most matchups.

So what Damp does well, he does consistently well.

My low view of Gooden is rooted in my opinion that he's a very inconsistent (and often very inefficient) scorer, and that's what he's supposed to bring to the table that makes him a better matchup than Damp in certain situations.

SMC0007 · 11-17-2009, 01:10 PM

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As Sike already noted, what Damp does very consistently (other than rebound) is play quality defense in the post. Not only on his man (assuming it's a good matchup, which is not nearly as rare as people make it out to be), but also as a help side defender.

And it just so happens that this is the very most important aspect for a center on this team, for most matchups.

So what Damp does well, he does consistently well.

My low view of Gooden is rooted in my opinion that he's a very inconsistent (and often very inefficient) scorer, and that's what he's supposed to bring to the table that makes him a better matchup than Damp in certain situations.

What you get from Damp is different from game to game depending on who we're playing. What he can do well can be considered consistent but the effect that it has on every game is going to vary depending on matchups and possibly if he needs a new contract or not.

What Gooden should bring to the table should be more about staying in front of Nene types out on the floor than providing offense. That is where Damp struggles. The type of offense that Gooden provided last night was great with exception of a bad shot or two, but hey everyone takes a few of those every night. I don't think he was out of control for two consecutive games now, which has been a worry of mine about him.

What they each bring is a nice balance that makes up a great center. It's just too bad it takes two guys to do it.

DevinHarriswillstart · 11-19-2009, 12:50 AM

Mmmm crow, num num num.

So those who said he sucks look like pretty big idiots right now.

bernardos70 · 11-19-2009, 12:54 AM

Gooden's making me eat my words...... and my words taste like jelly beans! Go Gooden! Gooooooooooooooooo........

Underdog · 11-19-2009, 01:02 AM

Still looking for more consistency - if he's still producing like this in a month I'll eat the fattest crow you can find...

DevinHarriswillstart · 11-19-2009, 01:09 AM

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Still looking for more consistency - if he's still producing like this in a month I'll eat the fattest crow you can find...

The problem with that argument is the fact that Damp will eventually take some minutes from him. I think both Gooden and Damp suffer from a lack of consistency that seems wane when one of them is injured. It definitely seems like Gooden is a better 30 minute player then he is a 19 minute one.

sike · 11-19-2009, 01:20 AM

I like being at least somewhat right on this one...

dude1394 · 11-19-2009, 03:42 AM

I'm starting to like Drew more and more. I think it was against the pistons or bucks. JJB went for a layup and got hammered by someone. There was an open mic when Drew went to give JJB a hand up. He said "I'll f*** him up for you next time".

Made me smile...

edit: Now I recall the particulars. It was against Minnesota and the player was Brian Cardinal.

sefant77 · 11-19-2009, 06:30 AM

Gooden is showing exactly why they got him.

He is able to score 20 around the basket when we miss main players or when the shoters are stonecold. Same time he can play way better the 5 than Bass could.

His defense is nothing great, but not bad either. He knows since Damps great start into the season that he wont get minutes if he doesnt play his ass off in defense.

jthig32 · 11-19-2009, 08:17 AM

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Mmmm crow, num num num.

So those who said he sucks look like pretty big idiots right now.

This is so tiresome. Were you eating crow after he sucked for three games? No? So why are we eating crow after he's been great for three games?

Consistency. That's what we need.

Having said that, there's no doubt he's been darn good these last few games. Most importantly, he's contributed defensively and the team hasn't gotten killed at the rim when he's been in the game.

DevinHarriswillstart · 11-19-2009, 09:25 AM

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This is so tiresome. Were you eating crow after he sucked for three games? No? So why are we eating crow after he's been great for three games?

Consistency. That's what we need.

Having said that, there's no doubt he's been darn good these last few games. Most importantly, he's contributed defensively and the team hasn't gotten killed at the rim when he's been in the game.

Erick Dampier is the most inconsistent player to play in the NBA in the last four years so you can eat your consistency bs for breakfast.