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rmacomic · 02-01-2013, 02:00 AM

I have really given it a try with this bunch. I pulled for them time and again when the games were close. I don't hate the organization or even the dry powder plan. I just cannot stand this group of Mavs. The collective IQ is so low that you can't help but think that they will blow every close game at this point. Additionally I see no chemistry. They don't seem to be improving in the slightest, if anything they are regressing with every game. Finally, I feel no investment with these players. I would be willing to forgive a lot of Collison and Mayo's mistakes if I thought they were our future, but they are not. I highly doubt either will be on the roster next season.

More than anything that I hate about this team is that it is no longer Dirk's team. We have gone from being the team of a Finals MVP to the Vince Carter retirement team. I don't hate Carter, but I am not interested in watching the Mavs spend the last of Dirk's window on Carter hyuck-yucking it up every night. We got rid of Delonte because he was a bad influence on the young guys? Yet, we allow Carter to clown it up after every flub, this guy is our leader now?

The worst thing about all of this is that every game we drop with this approach just makes it that much harder to sign any free agent this summer. We have no potential. And our team leader has been relegated (somewhat due to injuries) to a spectator. I wouldn't want to sign on to this team.

This team needs to decide if they are pushing for the playoffs or tanking. Me, I would call it a season, bench or trade any assets and just let Dirk go out there and fill out the stat sheet as much as possible. Maybe if he has a few 40 - 50 point nights, the Mavs can trick a few decent free agents into believing this team is going anywhere but downhill.

p.s. I am ok with tanking a season. If you looked at our payroll the last few years, this was supposed to be that "tank" year. I hate that we are being so indecisive about that. I think that will really hurt us in both the short and long run.

TNT · 02-01-2013, 08:13 AM

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Originally Posted by rmacomic

I have really given it a try with this bunch. I pulled for them time and again when the games were close. I don't hate the organization or even the dry powder plan. I just cannot stand this group of Mavs. The collective IQ is so low that you can't help but think that they will blow every close game at this point. Additionally I see no chemistry. They don't seem to be improving in the slightest, if anything they are regressing with every game. Finally, I feel no investment with these players. I would be willing to forgive a lot of Collison and Mayo's mistakes if I thought they were our future, but they are not. I highly doubt either will be on the roster next season.

More than anything that I hate about this team is that it is no longer Dirk's team. We have gone from being the team of a Finals MVP to the Vince Carter retirement team. I don't hate Carter, but I am not interested in watching the Mavs spend the last of Dirk's window on Carter hyuck-yucking it up every night. We got rid of Delonte because he was a bad influence on the young guys? Yet, we allow Carter to clown it up after every flub, this guy is our leader now?

The worst thing about all of this is that every game we drop with this approach just makes it that much harder to sign any free agent this summer. We have no potential. And our team leader has been relegated (somewhat due to injuries) to a spectator. I wouldn't want to sign on to this team.

This team needs to decide if they are pushing for the playoffs or tanking. Me, I would call it a season, bench or trade any assets and just let Dirk go out there and fill out the stat sheet as much as possible. Maybe if he has a few 40 - 50 point nights, the Mavs can trick a few decent free agents into believing this team is going anywhere but downhill.

p.s. I am ok with tanking a season. If you looked at our payroll the last few years, this was supposed to be that "tank" year. I hate that we are being so indecisive about that. I think that will really hurt us in both the short and long run.

I almost agree about everything. Mayo, Collison, Roddy, Wright, Kaman.. they don't play with passion and commitment we are used to while watching kidd, terry and chandler. I think they don't give a fuck about our success. Everybody are looking out for them self.

But i like Carter. He is opposite of them. He gives a fuck and wants to win. He just tries to much because almost everybody else are thinking about them self. It's just sad to watch that there is no energy no chemistry and most of all no IQ to win close games. And the saddest thing is that Nowitzki and Marion have to watch all this happening; Going for the best team almost to the worst team in the NBA.

markus1234 · 02-01-2013, 08:43 AM

I finally stopped watching the MAVS (2nd game in a row). No need to waste my time for this crap.

And you are 100% right about everything.

Esp. about Carter

http://mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?s=268&f...t=11140648&p=2

and how he "kidnapped" our team....

chumdawg · 02-01-2013, 09:02 AM

I was hoping for an epic rant!

jacktruth · 02-01-2013, 09:46 AM

Dirk was out for the first 27 games. He has been DIRK for one game (Portland), then set out against Golden State. So, far, this had to be somebody's team. Mayo and Carter were first to apply.

However, I agree that I'm not committed to these players. I like Brand, but he's too vertically limited to play center.

I do think Mayo is a solid mav. He's Carlisle's kind of player. Even though he's not a superstar, it's hard to upgrade his level. I also think Carter is a great guy to have on your team. He plays good defense these days and will do anything you ask on the floor. He can still put it in the basket.

However, the one that has really held this team together this year is Marion. If they trade him, they better get a lot in return.

spreedom · 02-01-2013, 10:20 AM

I would love to hear Mark come out and say:

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Originally Posted by Aaron Rodgers

"I don't feel I need to sell myself to the fans ... They need to get on board now or keep their mouths shut."

rmacomic · 02-01-2013, 10:59 AM

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Originally Posted by chumdawg

I was hoping for an epic rant!

Not worth it.

xrobx · 02-01-2013, 11:09 AM

Figured I'd swing by for the first time in a couple years to note that the Mavs really suck this year.

They should probably shut Dirk down and tank it.

markus1234 · 02-01-2013, 11:14 AM

Dirk should take 22 shots per game till the end of the season. Let him pad his all time stats and keep his 20ppg streak alive...

Much better than watching Kaman and co. auditioning for new contracts and trying to avoid injuries...

Dale4Saul2Red0 · 02-01-2013, 11:29 AM

Hate your team? Not a fan then bro

xrobx · 02-01-2013, 11:34 AM

We should try to trade Crowder for a 3 point specialist, since that's all he (thinks he) is.

markus1234 · 02-01-2013, 11:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Dale4Saul2Red0

Hate your team? Not a fan then bro

A MAVS jersey does not make a MAVS team. IMO.

Dirk is a MAV, Marion is a MAV....and the rest ? not so much. (yet). Give me at least one solid season till i call you a MAV....

nowhereman · 02-01-2013, 12:08 PM

Man, between quoting yourself and thinking you decide who is called a Mav, you have an awfully hyperinflated ego.

Kante · 02-01-2013, 12:40 PM

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Originally Posted by markus1234

I finally stopped watching the MAVS (2nd game in a row).

Could you also please stop posting?

oilfieldtrash · 02-01-2013, 12:46 PM

This team is like Antoine Walker, Shawn Bradley, Antoine Rigaudeau, and Evan Eschemeyer rolled into one.

markus1234 · 02-01-2013, 12:53 PM

Kante, put me on your ignore list.

There's no need to turn post game frustrations into user flame wars...

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Originally Posted by nowhereman

Man, between quoting yourself

I'm just too lazy to repeat myself.

nowhereman · 02-01-2013, 01:31 PM

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Originally Posted by oilfieldtrash

This team is like Antoine Walker, Shawn Bradley, Antoine Rigaudeau, and Evan Eschemeyer rolled into one.

Poor Eschmeyer.

EricaLubarsky · 02-01-2013, 03:07 PM

I don't hate the Mavs-- they'll always be my team, but this roster stinks like rotten eggs.

At this point, I'd only have the following guys back:
James to see him develop. He's putting up 13pts, 12reb, 3blocks per 40mpg. Can he do it in real/significant min?
Wright if he'll get PT. Dude is a versatile offensive center with an above average ability to guard the rim from the 4 (2.5blocks per 40)
Dirk
Marion is still a rebounding force and decent defensively. He just needs to be a 4th or 5th option on offense.
Carter (as a niche player)
Dahntay - high-energy guy with passion. Good towel-waver and niche defensive player.
Cunningham - I wanna see what he has. He's shown Devin Harris/Roddy quickness and fluidity, but none of the defense or shooting, I'd hope for.
Brand at the right price is a solid backup. He rebounds and occasionally hits a jumper.
Crowder to continue development if he's still practicing hard

Guys I'd leave
Kaman-- love the guy, hate the player. He has no place on the roster.
Mayo-- he'll get a big offer from someone else who sees potential in him and it won't make sense to match. If he was only a shooter, he'd be great if we picked up a PG that could run an offense. I just don't see us picking up Paul, Nash, Calderon or others that could transform him from an above-average SG with poor on-the-ball decision making into a Mike Miller type.
roddy-- I could go either way, but I am completely lukewarm on the player and just like the guy. Decent backup but no passion and inconsistent skill.
Collison-- Seems like a good guy, but just makes too many mistakes and can't be the facilitator we need. Can't defend, is streaky on offense and doesn't rebound particularly well.
DoJo Doesn't have a jumper and can't make things happen without it.
M. James decent vet, but no outstanding skills at all. A dime a dozen for a 3rd stringer.

We go hard for a starting center and guards in the offseason.

rmacomic · 02-01-2013, 04:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Dale4Saul2Red0

Hate your team? Not a fan then bro

Love the Mavs, hate this team. If you had been around, you might remember the Walker, Jamison year . . . then you would understand hating your own team.

DevinHarriswillstart · 02-01-2013, 05:31 PM

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Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

I don't hate the Mavs-- they'll always be my team, but this roster stinks like rotten eggs.

At this point, I'd only have the following guys back:
James to see him develop. He's putting up 13pts, 12reb, 3blocks per 40mpg. Can he do it in real/significant min?
Wright if he'll get PT. Dude is a versatile offensive center with an above average ability to guard the rim from the 4 (2.5blocks per 40)
Dirk
Marion is still a rebounding force and decent defensively. He just needs to be a 4th or 5th option on offense.
Carter (as a niche player)
Dahntay - high-energy guy with passion. Good towel-waver and niche defensive player.
Cunningham - I wanna see what he has. He's shown Devin Harris/Roddy quickness and fluidity, but none of the defense or shooting, I'd hope for.
Brand at the right price is a solid backup. He rebounds and occasionally hits a jumper.
Crowder to continue development if he's still practicing hard

Guys I'd leave
Kaman-- love the guy, hate the player. He has no place on the roster.
Mayo-- he'll get a big offer from someone else who sees potential in him and it won't make sense to match. If he was only a shooter, he'd be great if we picked up a PG that could run an offense. I just don't see us picking up Paul, Nash, Calderon or others that could transform him from an above-average SG with poor on-the-ball decision making into a Mike Miller type.
roddy-- I could go either way, but I am completely lukewarm on the player and just like the guy. Decent backup but no passion and inconsistent skill.
Collison-- Seems like a good guy, but just makes too many mistakes and can't be the facilitator we need. Can't defend, is streaky on offense and doesn't rebound particularly well.
DoJo Doesn't have a jumper and can't make things happen without it.
M. James decent vet, but no outstanding skills at all. A dime a dozen for a 3rd stringer.

We go hard for a starting center and guards in the offseason.

Not a bad list, but I disagree with the following:

Guys you'd have back- Wright I like, but he really isn't a Carlisle player. Not a great defender or rebounder and is limited as a player.

Dahntay Jones- No way unless it is for the min and even then I probably wouldn't.

Cunningham- Too early to tell since he is raw but still is a bigger disappointment than anticipated. His game seems very immature.

Guys to leave behind- Mayo is the toughest one. If he commands a starting salary of 9+ then I say no. Just can't pay that kind of price when the team isn't good. We'd slowly become the Suns if those kinds of contracts are handed out. I'd keep him though if the price is right.

Otherwise, I'd be good with the rest of that. We know the team will look completely different next season either way.

Rick41 · 02-01-2013, 07:14 PM

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Originally Posted by spreedom

I would love to hear Mark come out and say:

Wait, Aaron Rodgers posted on this board?

Where was I for this?!!?

samoan-maverickII · 02-01-2013, 07:56 PM

It's hard watching this team struggle in pressure situations. We were spoiled by the brilliance of Kidd. Weird to say that because I would scream when he would miss every single layup he ever attempted with us. But his leadership and court vision are noticeably being missed.

Dirk has started to look great in his past few games. But seeing another "out" next to his name is making me feel like we should "shut it down." I'm not on board for breaking this man down just so this crap roster can get swept in the 1st round.

Only reason I haven't fully said "shut it down" is because of the whole "bank of Cuban" statement. So I'm always gonna keep a positive mind. Although it has been difficult. I love my team.

DTownKidd · 02-01-2013, 08:19 PM

While this team will not win a championship, it really isn't as bad as it looks. 1-8 in overtime? So that is a FT away from 8 more wins. That right there puts us in the playoffs...at least currently. And I forget the other stat about games by 3 points or less but there are a lot.

LonghornDub · 02-02-2013, 10:11 AM

Tell you what, I don't like several aspects of the Mavs' personnel this year, but one thing I do like is Marion. That guy is playing his tail off pretty much every night and is a consummate pro.

j0Shi · 02-02-2013, 10:53 AM

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Originally Posted by LonghornDub

Tell you what, I don't like several aspects of the Mavs' personnel this year, but one thing I do like is Marion. That guy is playing his tail off pretty much every night and is a consummate pro.

that's what's up

JeffViggiano · 02-02-2013, 05:06 PM

i forever love the Mavs...

ReDirkulous Tyme · 02-02-2013, 07:18 PM

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Originally Posted by jacktruth

Dirk was out for the first 27 games. He has been DIRK for one game (Portland), then set out against Golden State. So, far, this had to be somebody's team. Mayo and Carter were first to apply.

However, I agree that I'm not committed to these players. I like Brand, but he's too vertically limited to play center.

I do think Mayo is a solid mav. He's Carlisle's kind of player. Even though he's not a superstar, it's hard to upgrade his level. I also think Carter is a great guy to have on your team. He plays good defense these days and will do anything you ask on the floor. He can still put it in the basket.

However, the one that has really held this team together this year is Marion. If they trade him, they better get a lot in return.

this is the only post in this thread that is anywhere close to actually be factual. The rest of you (for the most part) are knee-jerking morons who are ridiculously short-sighted and are incredibly terrible judges of talent. Its almost laughable how unintelligent some of the analysis' are.

GermanDunk · 02-02-2013, 09:02 PM

We must have the believe !

ReDirkulous Tyme · 02-02-2013, 09:40 PM

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Originally Posted by LonghornDub

Tell you what, I don't like several aspects of the Mavs' personnel this year, but one thing I do like is Marion. That guy is playing his tail off pretty much every night and is a consummate pro.

2nd this notion. Marion is absolutely awesome, and I respect the hell out of the guy, as both a player, and as a person. He is the consummate pro, and is only undervalued this year because of how poor our record has been. In my opinion, he hasn't declined hardly at all. I think both he and VC could be pieces of this team going forward. IF Carter can actually get in the kind of physical shape to maintain consistency throughout an entire season, then I'd love to have him back next year. I think when he's not depended on to put up 15ppg he'll be far wiser with his shot selection. But back to Marion, he has been the best Mav throughout the season, and when it comes to consistency no one else comes remotely close.

rmacomic · 02-02-2013, 10:08 PM

Wow, some of you guys are getting pretty butthurt in your pms and neg reps. Of course I want the Mavs to win and make the playoffs and even win the championship. I do not see that happening and frankly this squad underwhelms me. Don't agree, give me some evidence or argument to support that. And yes I am starting to hate this squad of mercenaries and how little they reflect the team and product that I have proudly supported.

dude1394 · 02-03-2013, 12:09 AM

Squad of mercenaries about nails it.

The Ghost of Championship · 02-04-2013, 12:57 AM

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Originally Posted by rmacomic

I have really given it a try with this bunch. I pulled for them time and again when the games were close. I don't hate the organization or even the dry powder plan. I just cannot stand this group of Mavs. The collective IQ is so low that you can't help but think that they will blow every close game at this point. Additionally I see no chemistry. They don't seem to be improving in the slightest, if anything they are regressing with every game. Finally, I feel no investment with these players. I would be willing to forgive a lot of Collison and Mayo's mistakes if I thought they were our future, but they are not. I highly doubt either will be on the roster next season.

More than anything that I hate about this team is that it is no longer Dirk's team. We have gone from being the team of a Finals MVP to the Vince Carter retirement team. I don't hate Carter, but I am not interested in watching the Mavs spend the last of Dirk's window on Carter hyuck-yucking it up every night. We got rid of Delonte because he was a bad influence on the young guys? Yet, we allow Carter to clown it up after every flub, this guy is our leader now?

The worst thing about all of this is that every game we drop with this approach just makes it that much harder to sign any free agent this summer. We have no potential. And our team leader has been relegated (somewhat due to injuries) to a spectator. I wouldn't want to sign on to this team.

This team needs to decide if they are pushing for the playoffs or tanking. Me, I would call it a season, bench or trade any assets and just let Dirk go out there and fill out the stat sheet as much as possible. Maybe if he has a few 40 - 50 point nights, the Mavs can trick a few decent free agents into believing this team is going anywhere but downhill.

p.s. I am ok with tanking a season. If you looked at our payroll the last few years, this was supposed to be that "tank" year. I hate that we are being so indecisive about that. I think that will really hurt us in both the short and long run.

Well that was boring and pointless to read.

Hi, I'm Ghost and I hate the Mavs... Yawn.

rmacomic · 02-04-2013, 11:04 AM

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Originally Posted by The Ghost of Championship

Well that was boring and pointless to read.

Hi, I'm Ghost and I hate the Mavs... Yawn.

Yet, you responded to it. But then again you have been an expert on boring and pointless.

DirkFTW · 02-04-2013, 11:56 AM

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Originally Posted by The Ghost of Championship

Well that was boring and pointless to read.

Hi, I'm Ghost and I hate the Mavs... Yawn.

Dude, there is more to life than garnering attention & making everything about your personal needs.

ReDirkulous Tyme · 02-04-2013, 01:00 PM

In case you guys don't remember, there hasn't been a time in the last decade when a mavs squad minus Dirk Nowitzki, much less a healthy Dirk, looked anywhere CLOSE to competitive against even the most mundane and lackluster teams. Dirk has been the only reason the Mavs have been relevant over the past 12 years or so....this is what it would like without him no matter what our supporting cast looked like. Most of you posters I can forgive, knowing there is no possible way you played basketball in high school, because if you did you would know how much of an impact one player can make on both ends of the floor, regardless of his individual prowess at either end. Even though Dirk has been absolutely horrendous on defense, we've been a better defensive team with him on the floor, at least that was the case last time i took a look at the metrics.

SMC0007 · 02-04-2013, 11:30 PM

Ok, I'll preface this with the fact that I can't turn away...fully. I will continue to tune in, just like I have for the last 15+ years.

It's time to:

Claim Dirk has a lingering injury and allow him to go visit Germany or maybe even not show up to games if he doesn't want. Whatever is allowed. I won't even pretend to know how it works and I know it's not gonna happen, but he isn't needed here and isn't doing very well either. Bottom line is; What's happening is beyond his control and isn't his fault.

Give plenty of minutes for Collison, Roddy, James and Wright. They will go all out each game playing for their future so technically we're not "tanking" but clearly we would rapidly slip off the fringe and out of the picture into the lottery. You may not like what there is in the draft but it's better up top than where we would be midpack - upper midpack. Bight side is:
a) maybe something clicks and grows in one or two of these guys and we can know what we have going into next year. b)maybe we hit on some draft talent that can contribute immediately for a change.

This is going nowhere and it sucks but sooner or later we were going to miss the playoffs, eventually. Dirk is aging and I worry we are gonna have a longer lapse between franchise camels. No one here is able to carry us and it's clear he isn't what he was and Imo he won't ever be again. I think he has some magic in the bag still no question but it's not as full as it once was. I love Dirk but wishing and hoping he can be the number one dude with a group of decent players just can't get it done anymore. He has to have some damn talent.

markus1234 · 02-04-2013, 11:35 PM

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Originally Posted by SMC0007

It's time to:

Claim Dirk has a lingering injury

'03-'04 .462 .341
'07-'08 .479 .359
'08-'09 .479 .359
'12-'13 .425 .357

His injury is called "ball in the wrong spots at the wrong time". Been there done that....

SMC0007 · 02-04-2013, 11:44 PM

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Originally Posted by markus1234

'03-'04 .462 .341
'07-'08 .479 .359
'08-'09 .479 .359
'12-'13 .425 .357

His injury is called "ball in the wrong spots at the wrong time". Been there done that....

Sure, I don't disagree and I'll re-iterate that "this is not his fault and he can't do a damn thing about this."

Budapest Maverick · 02-05-2013, 09:07 AM

You guys need to accept that we're already in the next cycle, and nobody knows how long that's going to last, but it is absolutely needed. That decade long run was only achievable, because we had Dirk, that's what some of you always forget. It was not simply deep rosters, it was Dirk, our superstar, and deep rosters...

But he is not capable of turning a roster like that into contenders anymore. We need to find our next elite impact player, that is the most important thing, and Cuban knows this. Actually even Dirk knows this, and he said it numerous times. Chances are, we're not gonna trade for that player because a, we don't have the assets, b, those guys rarely get traded.

So this leaves 2 options, drafting that theoretical guy, or sign him as an FA. Guess what, we're gonna try exactly that. All of you that argue that we are waiting on a miracle, are wrong imo. We are leaving the necessary options open, because building a deep team around Dirk for the next 2 years with average players - what many of you argue we should be doing - is what would actually be waiting on a miracle.

Just look at the NBA landscape at the moment. Cuban is doing the one thing that can result winning another championship in the next 3-4-5-6-7-8 years, and yes, at the moment, that means not doing anything. I would argue, not doing anything will still be the best move in 2-3 weeks, and i hope Cuban doesn't crumble under the pressure, and do another Wizards trade, just so Dirk, and a couple fans who lost their perspective, can feel themselves better. The most important thing is the franchise, not Dirk.

I'm also not interested as a fan in a treadmill team. That is the worst. I rather watch bad play, or even horrible play for a season or two, than watch a treadmill team.

Budapest Maverick · 02-05-2013, 09:11 AM

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Originally Posted by SMC0007

Ok, I'll preface this with the fact that I can't turn away...fully. I will continue to tune in, just like I have for the last 15+ years.

It's time to:

Claim Dirk has a lingering injury and allow him to go visit Germany or maybe even not show up to games if he doesn't want. Whatever is allowed. I won't even pretend to know how it works and I know it's not gonna happen, but he isn't needed here and isn't doing very well either. Bottom line is; What's happening is beyond his control and isn't his fault.

Give plenty of minutes for Collison, Roddy, James and Wright. They will go all out each game playing for their future so technically we're not "tanking" but clearly we would rapidly slip off the fringe and out of the picture into the lottery. You may not like what there is in the draft but it's better up top than where we would be midpack - upper midpack. Bight side is:
a) maybe something clicks and grows in one or two of these guys and we can know what we have going into next year. b)maybe we hit on some draft talent that can contribute immediately for a change.

This is going nowhere and it sucks but sooner or later we were going to miss the playoffs, eventually. Dirk is aging and I worry we are gonna have a longer lapse between franchise camels. No one here is able to carry us and it's clear he isn't what he was and Imo he won't ever be again. I think he has some magic in the bag still no question but it's not as full as it once was. I love Dirk but wishing and hoping he can be the number one dude with a group of decent players just can't get it done anymore. He has to have some damn talent.

Great post. This, 1000x.