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DGM · 03-12-2013, 10:58 PM

If Mavs get Montae they will be better off than if they had gotten Deron Williams. He will take pressure off Dirk and he costs less.

mavs777 · 03-12-2013, 11:07 PM

This is a stupid thread. If you think Monta Ellis is a net positive for any team I have very little time for you. To put it simply high volume extremely inefficient players that do not play defense and are expensive are the worst players to have in the NBA.

mavs777 · 03-12-2013, 11:09 PM

If there is one not Bynum,Dwight, CP3 free agent the Mavs should target it is Andre Iguodala if he opts out, he is a top 3 defender in this league and absolutley changes the game on that end in a positive way.

DGM · 03-12-2013, 11:56 PM

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This is a stupid thread. If you think Monta Ellis is a net positive for any team I have very little time for you. To put it simply high volume extremely inefficient players that do not play defense and are expensive are the worst players to have in the NBA.

Stupid? Volume Shooter. 12 for 24 with 32points vs. Mavs tonight without much big man help. Mavs don't want that talent? Stupid?

Please, spout off some of your other brilliant observations.

samoan-maverickII · 03-13-2013, 12:04 AM

Why not target Allen Iverson?

DGM · 03-13-2013, 12:11 AM

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Why not target Allen Iverson?

Hell yes! AI would have been great with Dirk when both were in their primes.

grndmstr_c · 03-13-2013, 12:12 AM

You're not seriously going to try to argue that Monta's not a volume shooter? I mean, it's not like I'd never want him playing on the Mavs regardless of price, but his usage unquestionably far outstrips his efficiency.

Also higher on Iggy, who's an excellent passer in addition to being a top-notch defender, though I sort of expect that Denver will overspend to keep him. I'll be content with a fair value re-signing of OJ and some savvy re-shuffling at starting point guard and starting center.

DGM · 03-13-2013, 12:29 AM

Didn't comment on Iggy, just D Will because I think that he cost too much. Montae plus Dirk plus $$$ buy other players is the point. I am looking at players who the Mavs might be able to sign. Nugs paid a lot to get Iggy. They won't let him get away.

yahyes · 03-13-2013, 12:29 AM

No thanks.

bobdole22 · 03-13-2013, 12:38 AM

I'm not sure about this thread, but I was thinking about it during today's game. Montae Ellis has never been on an actual good team. Can you image what would happen if he didn't have to ball hog? It could be nutz, the guy is insanely athletic.

He is one of those guys that makes a bad team look good sometimes. But then again, maybe he is incapable of passing and will ruin a good team by being a ball hog.

SMC0007 · 03-13-2013, 12:56 AM

Wtf... Without Monta, Milwalky would have lost by 40. He's a serious threat. Paired with Dirk and a decent PG, it would be nice.

I question, would OJ still be able to get enough minutes?

mavs777 · 03-13-2013, 01:01 AM

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Wtf... Without Monta, Milwalky would have lost by 40. He's a serious threat. Paired with Dirk and a decent PG, it would be nice.

I question, would OJ still be able to get enough minutes?

He's a serious threat to miss a lot of shots, agreed.

yahyes · 03-13-2013, 01:33 AM

[QUOTE=SMC0007;1307427]Wtf... Without Monta, Milwalky would have lost by 40. /QUOTE]

Ellis is pretty much a poor mans JJ Barea. Although, Barea actually took the next step in helping Dallas win an title. Ellis can show fine spurts of shooting. But then he becomes the true chucker. Also, Ellis has a tendency to play great against Dallas. 2007 nightmares.

nowhereman · 03-13-2013, 02:26 AM

He's ranked 26th among Point Guards with a 16.1 PER. And no team he's ever been on has been a good team. I'll pass.

oilfieldtrash · 03-13-2013, 09:12 AM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7G9yS2-x5sA

Monta Ellis have it all...

SMC0007 · 03-13-2013, 09:20 AM

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He's a serious threat to miss a lot of shots, agreed.

You've changed my mind and refuted facts with your points.

Murphy3 · 03-13-2013, 10:12 AM

As far as his shooting...well, he a career 45.7% shooter. He could shoot the 3 a little better, but he's not nearly as bad of a shooter as someone would make him out to be.

escobar317 · 03-13-2013, 10:20 AM

Mayo is a big target for detroit this offseason. If we lose him I would love Ellis to take his place. A change in system and surrounding cast can do a lot for a player. Hell, look at Blatche from the Brooklyn Nets.

DevinHarriswillstart · 03-13-2013, 10:39 AM

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7G9yS2-x5sA

Monta Ellis have it all...

He could have made that argument a few season ago except that winning does weigh heavily in that discussion. The stats were very strong though. Hard to argue with 25 ppg at 45% shooting. Turnovers are the main issue with his game imo.

I do think a few of you are underrating him. I actually see him playing pg here in the unlikely scenario of acquiring him. So...is he better than Mike James, Roddy, and Collison combined? Um...yes. He said recently that he might not opt out. We'll see about that.

Jon Avalon · 03-13-2013, 01:39 PM

If it's possible, i'd actually be interested in him as a 6th man. He would be perfect providing energy and shooting off the bench. Could be like Crawford in LAC, Smith in NYK or JET. Offense from both him and VC sounds like a deadly combo.

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Originally Posted by mavs777

If there is one not Bynum,Dwight, CP3 free agent the Mavs should target it is Andre Iguodala if he opts out, he is a top 3 defender in this league and absolutley changes the game on that end in a positive way.

I would love to get Iggy, been wanting him in a Mavs uni for the last few years.

Melonhead · 03-13-2013, 06:59 PM

Have always liked monta Ellis, and didn't know he was so hated on this board. But I've wanted him for years as a mav. Call me crazy.

LonghornDub · 03-13-2013, 07:16 PM

Problem with Monta Ellis on the Mavs is that he would never get to play against the Mavs, which will surely cripple his productivity.

SMC0007 · 03-13-2013, 09:45 PM

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Problem with Monta Ellis on the Mavs is that he would never get to play against the Mavs, which will surely cripple his productivity.

You act as if that were the only variable in play... When it's obvious that he excels merely by being on the same court as our guys, especially Dirk.

grndmstr_c · 03-13-2013, 10:12 PM

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You act as if that were the only variable in play... When it's obvious that he excels merely by being on the same court as our guys, especially Dirk.

I'll see your Dirk, and raise you one Mike James. Re-sign MJ, go hard after Montaiyerez, and the Mavs will be Invincible!

SMC0007 · 03-13-2013, 10:36 PM

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I'll see your Dirk, and raise you one Mike James. Re-sign MJ, go hard after Montaiyerez, and the Mavs will be Invincible!

You raise my Dirk

tgfan · 03-14-2013, 07:57 AM

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If there is one not Bynum,Dwight, CP3 free agent the Mavs should target it is Andre Iguodala if he opts out, he is a top 3 defender in this league and absolutley changes the game on that end in a positive way.

+1 on Iggy. The dude is incredible.

LonghornDub · 03-14-2013, 09:26 AM

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You act as if that were the only variable in play... When it's obvious that he excels merely by being on the same court as our guys, especially Dirk.

Well, let's not rule out that he really likes the concessions at the AAC.

SMC0007 · 03-14-2013, 09:49 AM

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Well, let's not rule out that he really likes the concessions at the AAC.

True, them hot dogs are silly good.

mavs777 · 03-14-2013, 05:13 PM

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You've changed my mind and refuted facts with your points.

He is 266th amongst 334 qualified players in TS% which is currently the best efficiency metric available.

SMC0007 · 03-14-2013, 06:46 PM

Lols

Dirk's Knee · 03-15-2013, 09:30 AM

He's earning 11 mil with an early termination option. Even if I wanted him (which is very questionable) why would a player opt out of 11 mil unless he was going to get a much larger payday? So we over pay for him allowing less salary for our PG and C positions? No thanks. SG isn't the issue with the team IMHO...

SMC0007 · 03-15-2013, 09:47 AM

I'm fine with Mayo in context of having an upgrade at PG and Center.

Dirk's Knee · 03-15-2013, 11:02 AM

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I'm fine with Mayo in context of having an upgrade at PG and Center.

If we had some depth at PG and a stronger starting center, I think the Mavs could build a solid rotation with Carter and Mayo at SG and Marion/Crowder (or an upgrade) at SF. PG is going to be tricky this year as talent wise there's not a whole bunch of players who are way, way better than Collison (Paul being the huge exception, and perhaps Calderon), though there are maybe a handful more traditional point guards which is what we need in our system. But we should have zero issues upgrading in a huge way at center.

SMC0007 · 03-15-2013, 11:42 AM

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If we had some depth at PG and a stronger starting center, I think the Mavs could build a solid rotation with Carter and Mayo at SG and Marion/Crowder (or an upgrade) at SF. PG is going to be tricky this year as talent wise there's not a whole bunch of players who are way, way better than Collison (Paul being the huge exception, and perhaps Calderon), though there are maybe a handful more traditional point guards which is what we need in our system. But we should have zero issues upgrading in a huge way at center.

Yea on the center upgrade.

Building that involves Marion and Carter I don't care about.

I consider what Carter is doing this year yummy icing. I don't expect it (much longer) going forward.

Marion is a nice intangibles guy, but he is losing steps defensively every year and the fact that he can't help space the floor offensively makes him much less important to me.

spreedom · 03-15-2013, 12:10 PM

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He's earning 11 mil with an early termination option. Even if I wanted him (which is very questionable) why would a player opt out of 11 mil unless he was going to get a much larger payday? So we over pay for him allowing less salary for our PG and C positions? No thanks. SG isn't the issue with the team IMHO...

I think most guys would give up 1yr/$10m for 4yrs/$30m... and I think Ellis would get at least that much on the open market.

Dirk's Knee · 03-15-2013, 04:35 PM

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Yea on the center upgrade.

Building that involves Marion and Carter I don't care about.

I consider what Carter is doing this year yummy icing. I don't expect it (much longer) going forward.

Marion is a nice intangibles guy, but he is losing steps defensively every year and the fact that he can't help space the floor offensively makes him much less important to me.

Agree. I didn't mean build in the typical long term sports sense. I meant we have several effective pieces in place for next season. If we lock down at C and PG this season, 2014 when Dirk's salary gets renegotiated we will have money to spend on any position which needs an upgrade and there is some serious UFA talent available at SG if we end up not going long term with Mayo: Bryant, Iguodala, JR Smith, Ben Gordon, Monta Ellis, and a handful or so of very good bench options. If we were to target Ellis, it will be in 2014 not this year.

sike · 03-15-2013, 06:36 PM

I'm not sure Ellis is the right option, but I think the days of waiting for the perfect player end THIS off season.

The Mavs MUST add serious talent before next season.

One thing I've been thinking a lot about recently is how desperately this team needs a guard or small forward who can create his shot by breaking down a defense. Seems that other teams have those guys...its about dang time that we have one!

Have we had a high level guy who could break down a defense to create his own shot since Nash? (And don't say Terry.)

escobar317 · 03-15-2013, 06:39 PM

mmmm icing *homer voice*

SMC0007 · 03-15-2013, 09:34 PM

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I'm not sure Ellis is the right option, but I think the days of waiting for the perfect player end THIS off season.

The Mavs MUST add serious talent before next season.

One thing I've been thinking a lot about recently is how desperately this team needs a guard or small forward who can create his shot by breaking down a defense. Seems that other teams have those guys...its about dang time that we have one!

Have we had a high level guy who could break down a defense to create his own shot since Nash? (And don't say Terry.)

Right... no one comes to mind. You could toss around Barea at times, Roddy at times, perhaps Jet at times, but we have needed that type of player for a long time. Mayo is not that player, but as long as he continues to play similar to Jet, catch and shoot and occasionally mix it up, I'd love for him to stay.

Dirk is getting to the catch and shoot age, so we really do need a *consistent* creator that can finish from anywhere. One that also knows when and how to give it up to the best shooter in the game too tho.

We also need to hit in the draft again. A GM that sticks around when the last great move he made is well on the downswing of his full career is interesting. How many others have lasted this long? Goes to show how great Dirk is

Carrying Donnie since '98...talk about golden parachute.

sig · 03-16-2013, 11:46 AM

I think the Mavs need to get another star player as their FA priority at any position other than PF. Then build around that.

PG is in obvious need. I'm OK with Ellis but would prefer the Mavs get more of a PG upgrade. I think Ellis is a JET type player and not so much a PG. I hope Ellis exercises his option to stay in Milwaukee and they concentrate on getting Redick resigned. Meanwhile the Mavs steal Jennings away from them. Jennings is really starting to get good as a PG who sets up his teammates. I'd try to get Bledsoe first though. A Bledsoe or Jennings and Mayo backcourt is fine with me next year.