PGT: RockBottom@Nuggets: Where being stupid happens

[markus1234]

This is how Toronto, Charlotte, Washington, New Orleans and co. lose games.

Welcome to the club. Your membership card should arrive soon...Mr. Mark Cuban.

Chandler turned into - Kaman/Odom/Curry/Wright/BernardJames

Brewer turned into - Carter/Mayo

Kidd/JJB turned into - Collison/Mike James/Derek Fisher/Justin Dentmon/Jared Cunningham/Josh Akognon/Chris Douglas-Roberts/Anthoy Morrow...to be contiuned

And our franchise turned into a laughing stock. Let's see how long it lasts...


2yrs ago Jet/Dirk/Chandler/Marion/Kidd would sleepwalk and still win this game.

[nowhereman]

I turned the game off at halftime to watch Game of Thrones with the gf.

Best call ever. And an easy one to make. As a sidenote, I haven't turned a Mavs game off at halftime since 1999.

[yahyes]

I'm calling this the starting Kaman jinx.

[DevinHarriswillstart]

Originally Posted by yahyes

I'm calling this the starting Kaman jinx.

Too bad he played well.

I'm sorry, but anyone blaming the season on Kaman...well yeah....

Injuries have certainly hurt Kaman's game this season, and he was never a great defender or rebounder to begin with. Not sure what people were expecting.

[markus1234]

Originally Posted by nowhereman

I turned the game off at halftime to watch Game of Thrones with the gf.

Best call ever. And an easy one to make. As a sidenote, I haven't turned a Mavs game off at halftime since 1999.

Good choice.


And now there's not even a need to turn it on...season's over.

ps: Kaman is a non factor. Does not help, but does not hurt either.

What sucks is our backcourt.

"2013 MAVS" have the DNA of Mayo/Collison/Carter/MikeJames 90% of the time the ball was in their hands. And it led us to 36-39

[yahyes]

Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

Too bad he played well.

I'm sorry, but anyone blaming the season on Kaman...well yeah....

Injuries have certainly hurt Kaman's game this season, and he was never a great defender or rebounder to begin with. Not sure what people were expecting.

I expected him to at least rebound 10 a game. But he turns into a bogus decision maker and clumsy. Maybe the jinx can be lifted if they win tomorrow.

[xrobx]

This isn't rock bottom. Wait until next year when we win 20 games.

[markus1234]

Earl K. Sneed ‏@EKS_MavsNBA 40m

Marion: "It went from sugar to s--- that quick."

2yrs...that quick.

[Melonhead]

Good to see I had to work tonight.

I've never turned off a mavs game until Tues night against the Lakers. Sad times

[Ninkobei]

I blame Ross Perot for demanding Cubes spend his money more carefully. Cubes not signing Chandler is something that 0tts Cubes would never have done. Sigh.

[fluid.forty.one]

We would not be a contender with Chandler.

[yahyes]

Originally Posted by fluid.forty.one

We would not be a contender with Chandler.

Don't think so with this new CBA. Mavs wouldn't have much rotations in other positions.

[JeffViggiano]

this season is an epic fail for Mark Cuban.no doubt.

[yahyes]

Not really. I consider it an earn your contract than epic fail.

[sefant77]

Originally Posted by markus1234

Chandler turned into - Kaman/Odom/Curry/Wright/BernardJames

Brewer turned into - Carter/Mayo

Kidd/JJB turned into - Collison/Mike James/Derek Fisher/Justin Dentmon/Jared Cunningham/Josh Akognon/Chris Douglas-Roberts/Anthoy Morrow...to be contiuned

And our franchise turned into a laughing stock. Let's see how long it lasts...


2yrs ago Jet/Dirk/Chandler/Marion/Kidd would sleepwalk and still win this game.

And we would be stuck in LT hell. You do realize that teams dump players like Harden or Gay because of the new CBA. There was no way in hell to keep the 2011 team. Deal with it.

[markus1234]

Yes, keeping the whole team together made no sense. But that's not the point.

It is about Chandler and what happened AFTER we decided to let all those guys go. Wasting one single -lock out- season is OK, but 2 ? not so much. And i fear there will be a 3rd wasted season...and a 4th. Till we become relevant again.

[sefant77]

Keeping Chandler meant having no shot at all at Dwight/Deron/Paul.

And in a interview few months ago Paul stated that he and Dwight pretty much agreed to team up in Dallas but then Dwight couldnt decide with all the Dwightmare crap and Paul got sick of waiting.

And after this we missed out on Deron, pretty close. It was ok not to pay Chandler this kind of money.

[Rick41]

Originally Posted by sefant77

And after this we missed out on Deron, pretty close. It was ok not to pay Chandler this kind of money.

I think I read somewhere that Deron said he was actually going to sign here until Billy King traded for Joe Johnson.

The fact that Deron believes he has a better chance at winning with JJ over Dirk made me lol.

[Sportstudi]

Couldn't watch the game. In retrospective I'm glad about it. Since following the Mavs in all these years I have to go back to the 90's to remember such a sh*tty team...

[SMC0007]

We were in the damn game and had it won if our super star hadn't coughed the ball up in the very most crucial time.

Being a contender and making the playoffs is two completely different things. With Chandler, we would be a playoff team. Contender, obviously not.

[nowhereman]

Originally Posted by SMC0007

Being a contender and making the playoffs is two completely different things. With Chandler, we would be a playoff team. Contender, obviously not.

Exactly the prevailing 'wisdom' about the Mavericks from January to April 2011. Playoff team but clearly not a contender.

[Dirk's Knee]

So, Cubes and co are able to through trades/FA (because their drafting sucked) put together 12 seasons of competitive teams and now everyone's predicting unending suck for the foreseeable future? Some of you guys are bball chicken littles. This season has been frustrating, no question. There are 3 issues as I see it:

1. Dirk hasn't played a real full season since 2011. Next year he'll be there from game one and in shape. It's a contract year for him and even though he's a vet and knows his next contract will be less, many players perform above expectations in contract years.

2. PG sucked incredibly this year. I have no doubts in my mind we can pick up a FA PG a thousand times more effective than what we were working with this year.

3. The low post. Chis Kaman will be gone and we will grab a more traditional defensive center. Also Sarge (if he doesn't get traded) will pick up more minutes. A more firm defensive role stressed at center will ensure more shots for Dirk. We will re-sign Wight to supplement/rotate Dirk for the offensive pow.

Boom. We make the playoffs, and most likely a higher seed. Don't forget, with Dirk healthy we hung with most the upper echelon teams in the league, even beat a few. There are some serious problems at 1 and 5, but nothing which can't easily be addressed as we are not locked into the players at those positions.

[EricaLubarsky]

Originally Posted by fluid.forty.one

We would not be a contender with Chandler.

If the 2011 team was frozen and didn't age a day from the championship parade, they wouldn't be a contender.

[dude1394]

Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

If the 2011 team was frozen and didn't age a day from the championship parade, they wouldn't be a contender.

Just do not agree and I do not understand by what reasoning you can state this.

[SMC0007]

Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

If the 2011 team was frozen and didn't age a day from the championship parade, they wouldn't be a contender.

Well, Parades will take a lot out of you.

[SMC0007]

Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

If the 2011 team was frozen and didn't age a day from the championship parade, they wouldn't be a contender.

Well, Parades will take a lot out of you.

[saclare]

I gave up about an extra hour or two of sleep to watch this game. It was bad all around. I really didn't see one bright spot. Maybe Wright's first half, when you could see the potential oozing out of him. But then his second half wiped that even. No one stayed aggressive on either side of the ball in the second half. It was hard to watch when something so well worked in the first half, and part of the 3rd, that you abandon it in the 4th.

Not one player last night deserved kudos for their game in its entirety.

[saclare]

Originally Posted by dude1394

Just do not agree and I do not understand by what reasoning you can state this.

If they were frozen in time, maybe they could compete.

You have an older/slower Kidd, Marion has clearly lost a step. Chandler and Terry look to have been playing just as well. Dirk, due to his injuries, has lost a step.

Then, a vast amount of teams improved significantly from the 2011 season. Spurs are better, even with aging stars. Nuggets are better. OKC is better. The Heat are better, the Clippers, the Warriors, the Rockets, the Knicks. The 2011 team would, no doubt, make the playoffs, but they wouldn't be contending for anything. They would be done before the conference final, if they got to the 2nd round.

[nowhereman]

Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

If the 2011 team was frozen and didn't age a day from the championship parade, they wouldn't be a contender.

I'm about ready for you to assert that if the 2011 team was frozen, didn't age a day, was unfrozen, returned to 2011, they wouldn't be a contender.

[chumdawg]

Originally Posted by nowhereman

I'm about ready for you to assert that if the 2011 team was frozen, didn't age a day, was unfrozen, returned to 2011, they wouldn't be a contender.

Brilliant!

[dude1394]

Originally Posted by saclare

If they were frozen in time, maybe they could compete.

You have an older/slower Kidd, Marion has clearly lost a step. Chandler and Terry look to have been playing just as well. Dirk, due to his injuries, has lost a step.

Then, a vast amount of teams improved significantly from the 2011 season. Spurs are better, even with aging stars. Nuggets are better. OKC is better. The Heat are better, the Clippers, the Warriors, the Rockets, the Knicks. The 2011 team would, no doubt, make the playoffs, but they wouldn't be contending for anything. They would be done before the conference final, if they got to the 2nd round.

And you have a more complete brewer, a better jjb. OKC is not better without Harden... The heat are the heat, if we are playing them then we DAMN WELL WOULD BE CONTENDING...dontcha' think?

I think sweeping the 57 win lakers counts for a little bit as well as beating the Thunder 4-2 and the Heat 4-2 count for something.

Amazing how much revisionist history goes on around here to try and justify this cluster-**** of a dry powder strategy. Good thing none are running their own companies. That team would be playing Golden State this year in the first round, if you don't think that team beats crap out of GS you are nuts.

[BGMaverick9]

/Headdesk

[saclare]

Originally Posted by dude1394

And you have a more complete brewer, a better jjb. OKC is not better without Harden... The heat are the heat, if we are playing them then we DAMN WELL WOULD BE CONTENDING...dontcha' think?

I think sweeping the 57 win lakers counts for a little bit as well as beating the Thunder 4-2 and the Heat 4-2 count for something.

Amazing how much revisionist history goes on around here to try and justify this cluster-**** of a dry powder strategy. Good thing none are running their own companies. That team would be playing Golden State this year in the first round, if you don't think that team beats crap out of GS you are nuts.

I think '13 OKC is better than '11 OKC. Same with the teams I've mentioned. We (as the 2011 team) would beat the Warriors, I agree, but they aren't getting past the 2nd round.

It counted for something in 2011. It was great, but it's over. The strategy hasn't worked yet. I think that's painfully obvious. But long term, and even closer than you guys seem to think, it will pay off in so many ways to have the flexibility.

I'll also add that I'll give Cuban more credit that he is way too smart to completely gamble on a possible "collusion." I've generally agreed with some of the others posts surrounding that point, but I don't think that was 100% his plan at all.

[saclare]

Honestly, that's the last I really wish to discuss that, though. I'd be contradicting myself elsewhere in saying it is completely foolish to keep harping on the past and bringing up outlandish scenarios. So, let's move forward and start discussing the future of this franchise as is. What has happened, happened.

[chumdawg]

Originally Posted by BGMaverick9

/Headdesk

Is that shorthand for "Frustrated that not everyone realizes how correct all the moves were?"

[markus1234]

http://espn.go.com/blog/dallas/maver...fourth-quarter

“I thought actually I could quick dribble it and spin before Brewer gets the ball,” Nowitzki said. “I saw him right there, but as soon as I put it down, he’s so quick. That’s what he does. He dove in there and got his hands on it. At that point, probably the wrong move. It was so clogged, the only thing I had was just the spot-up shot. I probably should have just shot over him.”

It was clogged because the Mavs had poor spacing on the play. Instead of overloading one side to give Dirk room to work, the Mavs had two players on each side of the court.

“That’s on me,” Carlisle said.

With 2.8 seconds remaining and the Mavs trailing by one, Carlisle didn’t want rarely used reserve Anthony Morrow shooting a contested 3-pointer off the dribble. That’s what happened,

Carlisle said. “Again, I’m responsible for that. That’s as far as I’m going to go with it.”

Nowitzki, who had a nice view from the opposite side of the court, shed some light on what was supposed to happen.

“The play was for Vince (Carter) coming off and curling to the corner, but Andre Miller was right there and took that away,” Nowitzki said.

[TNT]

was it like the 20th game which was ours to win but we chocked???
story of this season.

some nice wins giving us hope for better things to come and then again those stupid loses... just end this season..

I can but all my hopes to knicks to win the trophy.. Kidd & Chandler..

[SMC0007]

Originally Posted by markus1234

http://espn.go.com/blog/dallas/maver...fourth-quarter

Quote:
“I thought actually I could quick dribble it and spin before Brewer gets the ball,” Nowitzki said. “I saw him right there, but as soon as I put it down, he’s so quick. That’s what he does. He dove in there and got his hands on it. At that point, probably the wrong move. It was so clogged, the only thing I had was just the spot-up shot. I probably should have just shot over him.”

It was clogged because the Mavs had poor spacing on the play. Instead of overloading one side to give Dirk room to work, the Mavs had two players on each side of the court.

“That’s on me,” Carlisle said.

It has to be hard to perform under last possession scenarios, and maybe harder to call the right play. But you could look and see that no matter how far the offense tried to separate from Dirk, the defense was never going far enough away so they couldn't collapse when he made his move. He has to be able to get position closer to the basket, period. I don't give a damn how good of a shooter he is.

[dude1394]

Originally Posted by saclare

I think '13 OKC is better than '11 OKC. Same with the teams I've mentioned. We (as the 2011 team) would beat the Warriors, I agree, but they aren't getting past the 2nd round.

It counted for something in 2011. It was great, but it's over. The strategy hasn't worked yet. I think that's painfully obvious. But long term, and even closer than you guys seem to think, it will pay off in so many ways to have the flexibility.

I'll also add that I'll give Cuban more credit that he is way too smart to completely gamble on a possible "collusion." I've generally agreed with some of the others posts surrounding that point, but I don't think that was 100% his plan at all.

Sacremento, Milwaukee, Minnesota, Charlotte, New Orleans have had flexibility for decades. Flexibility is as worthless as dry powder. The only thing that counts is assets. On the court and in the draft. The Mavs don't have much of either. And you don't get to skate on a prediction of
" the strategy hasn't worked yet.... "even closer than you guys seem to think....pay off in so many ways""

Lay out something concrete. How many years before the Mavs are in the conference finals again...because they damn sure would have been competing for it last year with that same team.

[dude1394]

Originally Posted by chumdawg

Is that shorthand for "Frustrated that not everyone realizes how correct all the moves were?"

I think so.