Kristaps Porzingis out for series with meniscus tear - Dallas-Mavs.com Forums

MFFL · 08-28-2020, 10:14 PM

Well everyone who kept saying that he was a wimp can retract those statements

https://www.mavsmoneyball.com/2020/8...el9TG78yqdNEdI

BPo001 · 08-28-2020, 10:42 PM

Curious why the team didn’t announce this after the MRI. Either way it sucks. Luckily it’s not the knee he tore his ACL in. Hope injuries doesn’t become a trend with KP, but history isn’t on his side.

EricaLubarsky · 08-28-2020, 11:11 PM

Is it bad that I hope he is permanently out and we get the tax savings?

At his best, he’s not a max guy in today’s NBA.

sefant77 · 08-28-2020, 11:14 PM

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Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

Is it bad that I hope he is permanently out and we get the tax savings?

At his best, he’s not a max guy in today’s NBA.

He is a classic rookie max player. Even with the injuries. He is young, has the talent and skill to be a great 2nd fiddle. And such guys are getting the max after their rookie contract is up.

There is another huge step between the rookie extension max and giving a 30y old player the max...

EricaLubarsky · 08-28-2020, 11:36 PM

Was listening to the radio and one of the doctors on there predicts for someone as big as KP, they’re predicting the upper end of the 3-4 month recovery. Of course, that’s just historical recovery numbers and KP’s height. The guy hadn’t seen the report.

Could be minor and he could practice with Luka in October, but if he takes the full 3-4 months he could be missing or at least working himself back into shape in training camp

dricas24 · 08-29-2020, 08:56 AM

With his injury history, this just shows you that he'll never be a dependable 2nd guy. We better go get a 2nd guy via trade or free agency.

Dtownsfinest · 08-29-2020, 09:05 AM

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Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

Is it bad that I hope he is permanently out and we get the tax savings?

At his best, he’s not a max guy in today’s NBA.

You don’t think so? For his size he has a elite skill set.

Dtownsfinest · 08-29-2020, 09:06 AM

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With his injury history, this just shows you that he'll never be a dependable 2nd guy. We better go get a 2nd guy via trade or free agency.

Good luck finding one. Teams don’t tend to just give those guys up.

EricaLubarsky · 08-29-2020, 09:24 AM

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You don’t think so? For his size he has a elite skill set.

His size is a huge liability for a PF and he's not a good enough C to anchor any decent defense.

PFs wreck him and he's largely a waste at C other than his Raef LaFrentz-like ability to hit a three-- at 35%

DevinHarriswillstart · 08-29-2020, 09:42 AM

Mavs have actually had such poor management since the KP trade. Draft was a waste, FA was largely a waste, WCS trade was a waste, and then they knowingly? played a guy with a history of knee injuries play with a meniscus tear?

And what are they going to do when KP misses half of next season? Throw Powell, who will never be the same player, to the wolves? Yikes.

DevinHarriswillstart · 08-29-2020, 10:06 AM

LOL anyone still want to defend our glorious medical staff?

https://twitter.com/townbrad/status/1299715260937654272

EricaLubarsky · 08-29-2020, 10:18 AM

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LOL anyone still want to defend our glorious medical staff?

https://twitter.com/townbrad/status/1299715260937654272

I didn't know THJ had a cervix.

DevinHarriswillstart · 08-29-2020, 11:50 AM

Morris strikes again...

https://twitter.com/MFollowill/statu...47050272284672

purplefrog · 08-29-2020, 12:56 PM

What a coincidence! Morris is involved in the injury to KP and twice steps on Luka's hurt ankle in Game 5. On twitter he denies any wrongdoing, and vehemently I might add, so we all know this is just the kind of bad luck that happens in basketball. Aww shucks, what can you do? At least he tweeted that he hoped Luka was ok and not hurt too bad. Thank you Marcus, you are a stand up guy!

FreshJive · 08-29-2020, 01:24 PM

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I didn't know THJ had a cervix.

Titiana McGrath has taught me that lots of men have cervixes and also menstruate. Men is literally in the word menstruate.

tap2390 · 08-29-2020, 09:44 PM

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Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

Mavs have actually had such poor management since the KP trade. Draft was a waste, FA was largely a waste, WCS trade was a waste, and then they knowingly? played a guy with a history of knee injuries play with a meniscus tear?

And what are they going to do when KP misses half of next season? Throw Powell, who will never be the same player, to the wolves? Yikes.

Complaining about FA and the draft without acknowledging the circumstances is an exercise in futility. Should we have handed a max to Brogdon?

DevinHarriswillstart · 08-29-2020, 09:49 PM

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Complaining about FA and the draft without acknowledging the circumstances is an exercise in futility. Should we have handed a max to Brogdon?

You must have been on Neptune last summer. But hey, so was the FO.

mac222b · 08-30-2020, 12:02 AM

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Morris strikes again...

https://twitter.com/MFollowill/statu...47050272284672

Well he was ejected in the early 3rd. So it shouldn’t be too hard to find, assuming cameras caught it.

Thespiralgoeson · 08-30-2020, 07:52 AM

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Good luck finding one. Teams don’t tend to just give those guys up.

Yeah, the way I see it our only real shot at adding another "impact" player is 2021 free agency. We have almost nothing to offer in the way of trades. And we're not likely to get anything other than role players through drafting.

It's easy to complain about management, but the fact is- THIS IS HARD. There's a reason most teams don't have multiple all stars. There are just too many teams and not enough top tier talent to go around. There's 7 billion people on this planet, and at any given time only about 400-450 of them are good enough to play in the NBA. Of that 450, only about 150 of them are good enough to start- even fewer to start consistently. Then you have 6-10 legitimate superstars at any given time that you can build a contender around.

And how many guys are good enough to really be difference-makers? To put a finer point on it, guys who would make this current Mavs roster a title contender? Guys like say Bradley Beal or CJ McCollum or Victor Oladipo? I'd say 25-30 guys like that max in the entire league. And 30 teams, almost all of whom are willing to pay max money to second and third tier players, because that's the only way they can sell tickets and even try to compete.

Thespiralgoeson · 08-30-2020, 08:01 AM

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Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

Mavs have actually had such poor management since the KP trade. Draft was a waste, FA was largely a waste, WCS trade was a waste, and then they knowingly? played a guy with a history of knee injuries play with a meniscus tear?

And what are they going to do when KP misses half of next season? Throw Powell, who will never be the same player, to the wolves? Yikes.

I'm not necessarily disagreeing, but I'm honestly asking- were there better moves to make? I mean, I remember how pissed everyone was over not getting anyone (again) in FA last summer, but seriously, who should the Mavs have signed? Who was realistically attainable? I remember they really, really wanted Kemba, but after that, who was on the table? Were there other players available that the Mavs could have signed, but chose not to?

And it seems odd complaining about the draft and the WCS trade when there were only second round picks involved. Second rounders in the NBA are like seventh rounders in the NFL. There's the occasional gem but those are quite rare. The odds of getting even a remotely decent player are minuscule. The stakes are so low that it seems to me using one to take a "chance" on an established rotation guy like WCS is well worth it. If it doesn't work out, who cares?

tap2390 · 08-30-2020, 11:03 AM

If we throw a max at a slightly-above-average player, everyone complains about how we’ve backed ourselves into a corner.

If we don’t aggressively sign free agents, everyone complains we didn’t do enough to improve the roster.

Who could we have gotten? Kemba, KD, Middleton, Kyrie, Butler, etc. had their own plans and were never going to pick the Mavs.

Horford, Brogdon, etc. proved to be average additions at huge costs.

Bogdanovic was the big miss of the offseason? He’s 32 and on the books for three more seasons at over $20 million.

Arguably the biggest miss was not swinging on the Andre Igouadala trade, but if you’re the Warriors you definitely prefer Memphis has that pick than a young Mavs squad with Luka and Porzingis.

I just don’t see the cost/benefit positive return on most of the deals the Mavs “missed” out on. We just need to hit in the draft. That’s how dynasties are built.

endrity · 09-07-2020, 02:52 AM

Are there any updates on his condition? Wil he go undergo surgery or not?

KillerLeft · 09-07-2020, 09:45 AM

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Originally Posted by tap2390

If we throw a max at a slightly-above-average player, everyone complains about how we’ve backed ourselves into a corner.

If we don’t aggressively sign free agents, everyone complains we didn’t do enough to improve the roster.

Who could we have gotten? Kemba, KD, Middleton, Kyrie, Butler, etc. had their own plans and were never going to pick the Mavs.

Horford, Brogdon, etc. proved to be average additions at huge costs.

Bogdanovic was the big miss of the offseason? He’s 32 and on the books for three more seasons at over $20 million.

Arguably the biggest miss was not swinging on the Andre Igouadala trade, but if you’re the Warriors you definitely prefer Memphis has that pick than a young Mavs squad with Luka and Porzingis.

I just don’t see the cost/benefit positive return on most of the deals the Mavs “missed” out on. We just need to hit in the draft. That’s how dynasties are built.

Replace "the draft" with "every trade from here on, and hopefully next summer" and I'm fully on board with this post. I think it's spot on.

There was nothing for them to do this summer. They went in for Kemba, which a lot of people thought was insane, but now that we've seen what this team looks like together (remember, we hadn't yet) it seems like Kemba would have been a great fit here. I'm encouraged by that, actually. It's not their fault Boston wanted him, and you have to remember that last summer, we in Dallas were the only ones who thought the Mavs were even gong to make the playoffs. If I'm Kemba, I probably choose Boston, too. And honestly, Curry was a great pickup, as was Boban! Wright SHOULD have been great, but wasn't.

And, I don't disagree with the idea that drafting well could help. I just think maybe they've already reached a point where they can't really slow down their progress to depend on someone they're having to train. I think the team needs vets, at this point. Maybe not 32 year olds, but players who've been to the playoffs, etc.

Thespiralgoeson · 09-07-2020, 10:01 AM

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And, I don't disagree with the idea that drafting well could help. I just think maybe they've already reached a point where they can't really slow down their progress to depend on someone they're having to train. I think the team needs vets, at this point. Maybe not 32 year olds, but players who've been to the playoffs, etc.

I see where you're coming from, but at the same time, I think it's a massive mistake to ignore the draft and only go after veterans. That's how we wasted the later years of Dirk's career. You need to bring in youth at some point. The Spurs built a dynasty by finding diamonds in the rough with their late round picks. I realize its probably not realistic to expect the Mavs to find future Hall of Famers the way the Spurs did, but smarter teams can still find value.

Also, it's a bit of a moot point right now, because we can't trade any more first rounders until 2025.

EricaLubarsky · 09-07-2020, 10:04 AM

Older players often get ignored or undervalued in the draft and simultaneously are more ready to contribute in their first two seasons. I think we can get some major value with older players in the draft.

Thespiralgoeson · 09-07-2020, 10:07 AM

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Older players often get ignored or undervalued in the draft and simultaneously are more ready to contribute in their first two seasons. I think we can get some major value with older players in the draft.

I say do what the Spurs did. Look for guys who have been successful in Europe and are NBA ready. If there's one thing Donnie Nelson has proven over 20+ years, its that he has an incredible eye for European talent.

KillerLeft · 09-07-2020, 10:19 AM

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I see where you're coming from, but at the same time, I think it's a massive mistake to ignore the draft and only go after veterans. That's how we wasted the later years of Dirk's career. You need to bring in youth at some point. The Spurs built a dynasty by finding diamonds in the rough with their late round picks. I realize its probably not realistic to expect the Mavs to find future Hall of Famers the way the Spurs did, but smarter teams can still find value.

Also, it's a bit of a moot point right now, because we can't trade any more first rounders until 2025.

I agree, it's a balancing act. I'm just not sure who they get in THIS DRAFT, at 18 or slightly above, who even sees the floor for a playoff team in the next 2-3 seasons. I'm far from a college basketball guy, even during a year when college basketball actually happens, so I could easily be mistaken here.

They can't trade the pick, but they can arrange to draft and move a player with the pick. I predict a draft day trade, where the rights of a player drafted at 18 and one of the current Mavs go out in favor of a guy who's rotation ready.

That's not to say I disagree with your point. I DO agree that they made a habit of blowing off the draft during the Dirk era, and that was a mistake. I'm not signing up for that to be a 15 year method.

Thespiralgoeson · 09-07-2020, 10:33 AM

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I agree, it's a balancing act. I'm just not sure who they get in THIS DRAFT, at 18 or slightly above, who even sees the floor for a playoff team in the next 2-3 seasons. I'm far from a college basketball guy, even during a year when college basketball actually happens, so I could easily be mistaken here.

They can't trade the pick, but they can arrange to draft and move a player with the pick. I predict a draft day trade, where the rights of a player drafted at 18 and one of the current Mavs go out in favor of a guy who's rotation ready.

That's not to say I disagree with your point. I DO agree that they made a habit of blowing off the draft during the Dirk era, and that was a mistake. I'm not signing up for that to be a 15 year method.

Yeah I feel you. I'm not a college basketball guy either, however, I have heard numerous people say that this a really deep draft for 3 and D guys. So there's that at least.

EricaLubarsky · 09-07-2020, 10:54 AM

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Yeah I feel you. I'm not a college basketball guy either, however, I have hear numerous people say that this a really deep draft for 3 and D guys. So there's that at least.

Yeah only 1-4 stars, but probably 20-30 starters/journeymen who will still be in the league in 5+ years.

BigDog63 · 09-13-2020, 03:53 AM

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Are there any updates on his condition? Wil he go undergo surgery or not?

I would think so.

There are 2 types of meniscus surgeries, though...a trim and a repair. In a trim, they just go in and cut 'trim' off the torn piece of meniscus. This doesn't take that much recovery time. In a repair, they try to 'repair' the meniscus by stitching it back together. This is the one that takes longer. The inside of the knee gets very little blood flow, and blood flow is that actually allows things to heal. Same reason ACL's never heal, and have to be replaced.

The time frame they are talking about indicates the surgery will be a repair.

BigDog63 · 09-13-2020, 03:57 AM

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Replace "the draft" with "every trade from here on, and hopefully next summer" and I'm fully on board with this post. I think it's spot on.

... I think the team needs vets, at this point. Maybe not 32 year olds, but players who've been to the playoffs, etc.

That's perfect, because that's what the Mavs FO is good at!

Don't forget they had various pieces that weren't in the bubble, as well. Or that Carlisle is great at working with those pieces, and making them, and the Mavs, better. I wouldn't be surprised if Wright is better next year.

rimrocker · 09-13-2020, 09:11 AM

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That's perfect, because that's what the Mavs FO is good at!

Don't forget they had various pieces that weren't in the bubble, as well. Or that Carlisle is great at working with those pieces, and making them, and the Mavs, better. I wouldn't be surprised if Wright is better next year.

If Wright will be better next season it will be on a different team.

I'll be completely shocked if he is a Mav next season. Rick wouldn't play him in a critical game that we desperately needed his defense and I don't see that relationship mending in the off-season in any way.
Wright simply isn't a good fit for this team so the Mavs should just move on from him and concentrate on finding someone who's skills are more suitable to our system and fill an immediate need.

EricaLubarsky · 09-13-2020, 12:23 PM

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If Wright will be better next season it will be on a different team.

I'll be completely shocked if he is a Mav next season. Rick wouldn't play him in a critical game that we desperately needed his defense and I don't see that relationship mending in the off-season in any way.

See I see it as the complete opposite. I highly doubt teams are looking to trade for Wright and I really think he's here for at least 1-2 years more.

Dude has everything we're looking for -- can defend three positions, can get steals/blocks, can be a secondary ball handler, can hit the three (37% last year, 40% in the playoffs overall and 50% in the Clippers series). He really has the perfect set of physical attributes and skills to contribute for us.

Wright's problem wasn't attitude as far as I can tell-- he just got lost on offense/defense. I think Rick is going to work with him all summer on figuring out our system and I think he could be a "bonus addition" next year when he really gets it. At the very least, I don't think the MBT throws him away. Is he tradable? Yes? Does he have some net value and are we willing to give him away for free or pay to get him gone? I don't think so.

I'd say the odds of him returning next year are 80-90%

KillerLeft · 09-13-2020, 01:24 PM

I think they make Wright available in trades, but not for the sole purpose of getting him off the roster. If they don't find something they like, I think they'll be ok with bringing him back, and that there's a chance he gets better.

DevinHarriswillstart · 09-26-2020, 07:52 PM

Wonder how his knee is doing. Be nice if he didn't require surgery.

Thespiralgoeson · 09-26-2020, 10:14 PM

*wrong thread.* Mods please delete.

BPo001 · 09-28-2020, 09:01 AM

KP’s Instagram shows that he is in the gym working out. No idea how his knee is doing, but good to see he is back in the weight room putting in work. Hopefully we know whether the knee needs surgery or not soon, so they aren’t having it done late in the off-season.

SMC0007 · 10-09-2020, 05:34 PM

KP just had surgery today? I thought that already happened.

DevinHarriswillstart · 10-09-2020, 06:41 PM

He should have had that sooner. He'll likely miss part of next season.

sefant77 · 10-09-2020, 06:58 PM

Probably there was still solid hope he doesnt need surgery and thats why they waited