Layton again targeting Nick... - Dallas-Mavs.com Forums

pepperfletch · 07-31-2002, 12:11 PM

I am a new member, and I know from following you all for some time that many of you do not like newby's to propose trades, but I just could not help re-discovering trades with New York...given the fact everyone is reporting that they are once again targeting Nick from us. I would simply keep him, but with Cubes and Nellie's you never know...

If NY wants Nick, what do you guys think of this:

Nick, TAW and Esch to NY
Thomas and Spree to Mavs

The math works for the trade and here is the reasoning:

Dallas gains muscle in middle for the big man rotation.
Help at the 2 and 3 position to assist Finley.
Dallas gets to move out two large contracts in TAW and Nick
but has only one huge one back, Spree's. We are basically
in a little better shape contract wise.

New York gets their starting Point to feed their new power forward the ball
They get a servicable back up big man who plays better in the east
TAW is the balance for the math, but does give them a defensive stopper when needed

Well let the hazing of a new member begin, WHAT DO YOU THINK....PF

madape · 07-31-2002, 12:20 PM

I think the Mavs would take that deal, no question about it. Whether NY would take on TAW is another thing... I do NOT think the Mavs are going to make any major moves until they know what's going to happen with Lewis. If we are able to land him, our small forward problem would be solved and we really wouldn't need a guy like Sprewell.

Murphy3 · 07-31-2002, 12:25 PM

pepper, please apologize for your first post being about a proposed trade

pepperfletch · 07-31-2002, 12:39 PM

Sure thing, sorry! but it has been slow on the board so I thought I could get some of you going. Murphy, I knew you would surely reply as you did. Madape, I see no reason that this effects Lewis, other than maybe questioning minutes for himself, but I still see plenty of minutes given TAW and Buck would be gone. Either way Lewis seems to be sayoing we will know later this week...so lets cross our fingers...

Thanks, Pepper

Murphy3 · 07-31-2002, 12:41 PM

i'm just giving you a hard time..
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if the mavs do not acquire lewis, then i think i'd make your proposed trade.

Murphy3 · 07-31-2002, 12:42 PM

actually, if the mavs sign lewis, i don't see any reason to have spree involved in a trade. they would have a huge glut at the 2-3 spot

Dooby · 07-31-2002, 12:45 PM

<< actually, if the mavs sign lewis, i don't see any reason to have spree involved in a trade. they would have a huge glut at the 2-3 spot >>

Yup.

But, generally, I think the Mavs' plan is to keep everything on hold until the Lewis thing is cleared up, including deals for Wang and Najera.

Evilmav2 · 07-31-2002, 12:48 PM

The original NY Post article does not link Sprewell with any prospective Nick Van Exel trade... Spree and Thomas for Nick and Evan would be nice but so would tagging a pair of Swedish stewardesses and winning the lottery this weekend... It's all pie in the sky...

pepperfletch · 07-31-2002, 12:50 PM

All we ever hear is how horrible it is to have Bradley and Eschmeyer as centers and that TAW's contract sucks as well. Here is a way to move two out of the three. I would rather have a two year huge Spree contract to deal with than the 4 and 5 years of Esch and TAW. If it is true that NY want's Nick, I am only saying lets make this a win win. We need to wait on the Lewis signing to be sure either way.

I khew you were just giging me a hard time, as you do every trade post. Trade posts just seem to bring out more of the players on the board which is fun!

Thanks, Pepper

Dooby · 07-31-2002, 12:52 PM

Actually, if a Lewis deal falls through, I would look at Sprewell. Although, with 2 years on his contract, I expect he would only be here one to 1.5 years before he was traded again.

pepperfletch · 07-31-2002, 12:55 PM

EvilMav2, it was not that article that links Spree. It has come from a number of articles on a number of sights that Knicks would love to unload the Spree contract. I only proposed to tie them together if THEY come calling. The original discussions a few weeks ago had only Knick going to NY for Ward and Thomas, I just feel it is not enough to help them get better, we need to gain a as well, large trade does it for both, IF you believe NY does wish to move Spree...

#1MavsFan · 07-31-2002, 12:58 PM

they were thinking about giving up spree for wally. They want to trade kurt and ward for nick and dont want to take on more salary.

pepperfletch · 07-31-2002, 01:05 PM

The larger trade would not cause any new salary for NY, just a couple years longer as the money part is a wash. Spree contract is huge!

Also any reason Spree can not play the 2 more than the 3? I believe he was a 2 longer than a 3. He must know it is time to take on less minutes and if we would lose TAW to go with Buck it only leave Griff at the 2/3 to back Finley. I think the minutes would be there reguardless if Lewis signs..just a thought to secure some return comments folks...

#1MavsFan · 07-31-2002, 01:13 PM

Taws long contract expires like in 5 years and same with esh. Plus Nicks contract is big as sprees. They would get alot more saleries and longer years. Plus they only want Nick.

Nellie · 07-31-2002, 01:43 PM

This could be real good for us. If Layden wants Nick and is running out of options, given Layden's history of deal making, we could come away like bandits!!

Drbio · 07-31-2002, 02:28 PM

welcome pepper.

I think the Mavs have been shopping NVE as well under the radar. I agree about the Mavs not wanting to move until Lewis makes up his mind. I f I were Cubes, I might try to light a small fire under Lewis and tell him what they are thinking and ask him to hurry up a bit.

DIRK BRASIL · 07-31-2002, 02:37 PM

Trade accept!!!
Raef
Dirk
Sprewell
Finley
Nash

Backcourt Nash??? El Amin, Greg Anthony, Travis Best?
Best is the best option!

DirkNash1341 · 07-31-2002, 04:01 PM

Nice pun.

Nellie · 07-31-2002, 04:25 PM

<< Trade accept!!!
Raef
Dirk
Sprewell
Finley
Nash

Backcourt Nash??? El Amin, Greg Anthony, Travis Best?
Best is the best option! >>

This line-up would be quite titular.

Lvubun1 · 07-31-2002, 08:51 PM

Mark these words: NOBODY WILL TAKE TAW, UNLESS THEY ARE ON X.

Even Layden isn't that dumb. Reading about the whole Buckner-76ers deal, the main reason why a sign and trade wasn't done was because Cube said any trade would have to involve TAW, obviously Philly said no-no. I don't think any team would take a TAW-Bradley Package for 5 Porn DVDs.

Fidel · 07-31-2002, 09:13 PM

I like the other trade including Bradley and a NY first rounder much better.

toucandave · 07-31-2002, 11:54 PM

what about getting spree for nve and then shipping spree off to new jersey for van horn. that is, if the lewis deal falls through.

if we can get lewis then i say keep nve.

jayC · 08-01-2002, 07:40 PM

Look the mavs haven't even talked to the Knicks. Who wants a max out player like spree who doesn't do anything that we already have. Van Exel gives us depth until we sign Rashard don't even think about trading finley or Vanexel. This group has only played 30 games together. If any trade if we sign Rashard who can play a two or three than trade Finley and Van Exel for Alonzo Morning. Kurt Thomas and the rest of the Knicks are Role players. They were in 14th place in the East no one the Knicks has interests me.

Drbio · 08-01-2002, 07:51 PM

There is no reason to trade with the Knicks. no reason at all.

Evilmav2 · 08-02-2002, 12:44 AM

I usually think that David Aldridge isn't the brightest of fellows, but I think he is on the ball with the following "Nick for NY" statement:

"Nick (Van Exel) is a better-than-average point who can score and who'll pass the ball more than people give him credit for. But the question is the same as it's been all summer: What does New York have (besides Sprewell, who the Mavs don't need) that anyone would want?"
David Aldridge

Drbio · 08-02-2002, 08:37 AM

absolutely evilmav2. Absolutely.

pepperfletch · 08-02-2002, 10:13 AM

Back to the original point, trades happen not only for what you get, but what you get rid of. Moving Esch and TAW's awful long contracts with little play time in return, filling back up needs with most likely better floor time with Thomas and Spree, both with shorter contracts may be enough. I do not wish to see Nick go, but if NY insists, lets take them....

I still say lets stand pat, sign Lewis if possible, BUT FOR SURE resign WANG and Eddie. We will find someone to help in the 3, no matter what happens, as that is the easiest position to fill of the 5 anyway. GO MAVS, just do something August is slow....