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tcat075 · 03-17-2011, 02:37 PM

Dirk used to be a very mobile for a 7 footer. He was not a stiff. He was not a great athlete either.

b_o_r · 03-17-2011, 02:54 PM

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Originally Posted by iella

A few observations from Oakland:

4. Roddy is a lot bigger in person than he looks on TV. He's also gotten bulkier since last year.

You think so. To me when I saw him in Philly, his physique looks exactly the same as it does on the TV--he looks very teenage like compared to his contemporary Holiday. Barea looks like a munchkin. Tyson Chandler is surprisingly very slender. His shoulders give the allusion that he is wider than what he really is. Dirk is way bigger than what he appears on TV. He's skinny but wider than Tyson.

iella · 03-17-2011, 02:59 PM

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Originally Posted by b_o_r

You think so. To me when I saw him in Philly, his physique looks exactly the same as it does on the TV--he looks very teenage like compared to his contemporary Holiday. Barea looks like a munchkin. Tyson Chandler is surprisingly very slender. His shoulders give the allusion that he is wider than what he really is. Dirk is way bigger than what he appears on TV. He's skinny but wider than Tyson.

Yeah, well I'm a 5'3" asian woman, so... I think he looks huge.

Murphy3 · 03-17-2011, 03:49 PM

I find the term "Asian" offensive.

Underdog · 03-17-2011, 03:56 PM

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I find the term "Asian" offensive.

Huh?

SMC0007 · 03-17-2011, 04:00 PM

I find the term "huge" offensive.

CadBane · 03-17-2011, 04:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Dtownsfinest

Give Dirk credit for doing what he's SUPPOSE to do?

Really? He's supposed to average over 10 RPG in 32 minutes, all while scoring 20 + points? You realize only three guys in the NBA do that, right?

CadBane · 03-17-2011, 04:11 PM

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Dirk's rebounding numbers pick up in the playoffs, but he certainly still doesn't show the lift he had his first four or five years in the league.

Which is not surprising. He's bigger than he was then, he's older and he's had injuries to his knees and ankles.

I agree that Dirk can rebound more when he wants to, but there's certainly no doubt in my mind that Dirk has different physical abilities now then he did when he was 24 or so.

This. It is flat out laughable to say Dirk hasn't lost any vertical lift. He has. There's really no arguing that. Look at his old dunks and dunks today.

Underdog · 03-17-2011, 04:12 PM

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Really? He's supposed to average over 10 RPG in 32 minutes, all while scoring 20 + points? You realize only three guys in the NBA do that, right?

Demigods live by a higher set of standards...

CadBane · 03-17-2011, 04:12 PM

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Originally Posted by tcat075

Dirk used to be a very mobile for a 7 footer. He was not a stiff. He was not a great athlete either.

You were like 5 years old in Dirk's early days. Dirk was indeed a great athlete in his younger years, esp. for a 7 footer. I don't think you realize how athletic you have to be to do some of the things he did at 7 feet. We're talking coast to coast dunks. Besides Dirk, only David Robinson consistently did that in his athletic prime.

Bayliss · 03-17-2011, 04:30 PM

There are three levels of (so far) of Dirk's carrer:

18-21--The young SF stage
22-28--The lean PF stage
29-present--The older PF stage

The major difference between the 3 is what he does on the court.
The first stage is the youtube vid of him crossing over on Samaki. That was when he was a young gazelle out there.

The second stage is that dunk of Vlade stage. The stage where he still has hops, can dunk on guys in traffic (find the youtube video of him taking the ball at midcourt against Denver and literally dunks on a the Nugget and then pushes him away afterwards).

Now he is in that stage where he can only dunk if he has a setup and space. And yes that is because of the lack of lift. He finishes well around the rim because he uses angles, up and unders, etc. He is craftier around the rim.

The last stage (and the one which will break my heart if he stays too long) is the past your prime anst just becomes a glorified Steve Kerr. Sam Perkins with Seattle, Steve Kerr with the Bulls, Clifford Robinson....

But how does that relate to rebounding? It has affected him. He can not longer just "go up" and snatch th board like he could a few years ago. He has to wait. nd that split second, guys are more apt to knock it away.

CadBane · 03-17-2011, 04:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Bayliss

There are three levels of (so far) of Dirk's carrer:

18-21--The young SF stage
22-28--The lean PF stage
29-present--The older PF stage

The major difference between the 3 is what he does on the court.
The first stage is the youtube vid of him crossing over on Samaki. That was when he was a young gazelle out there.

The second stage is that dunk of Vlade stage. The stage where he still has hops, can dunk on guys in traffic (find the youtube video of him taking the ball at midcourt against Denver and literally dunks on a the Nugget and then pushes him away afterwards).

Now he is in that stage where he can only dunk if he has a setup and space. And yes that is because of the lack of lift. He finishes well around the rim because he uses angles, up and unders, etc. He is craftier around the rim.

The last stage (and the one which will break my heart if he stays too long) is the past your prime anst just becomes a glorified Steve Kerr. Sam Perkins with Seattle, Steve Kerr with the Bulls, Clifford Robinson....

But how does that relate to rebounding? It has affected him. He can not longer just "go up" and snatch th board like he could a few years ago. He has to wait. nd that split second, guys are more apt to knock it away.

Well said. Dirk gets most of his rebounds because he's very gifted at it. He does a good job at boxing out and getting proper position. But because he can't jump too high anymore, guys can sometimes leap over him for the board...which is why it's particularly vexing when refs won't call over the back fouls, because sometimes Dirk has position, and someone will leap over his back for the board.

sefant77 · 03-17-2011, 05:21 PM

Barea vs Law was really sad to watch.

I hope we dont overpay him. Earl Watson is a FA this summer, i prefer to sign him and let Barea walk. Or sign Watson for the minimum and keep Barea too.

Rick41 · 03-17-2011, 05:49 PM

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I hope we dont overpay him. Earl Watson is a FA this summer, i prefer to sign him and let Barea walk

No thanks.

JeffViggiano · 03-17-2011, 07:47 PM

i prefer a really good PG

Murphy3 · 03-18-2011, 08:26 AM

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Huh?

..wasn't being serious.. just being wrongly overly sensitive in a PC world. If you're from the Dallas area, do you remember a couple of years back when John Wiley Price got offended when someone referred to potential revenue disappearing into an abyss as a "black hole".. well, he claimed that it was a racist remark and asked "why's it gotta be a black hole?"

Anyways, it was a "joke" on my part... just being random easily offended guy.

Underdog · 03-18-2011, 09:24 AM

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..wasn't being serious.. just being wrongly overly sensitive in a PC world. If you're from the Dallas area, do you remember a couple of years back when John Wiley Price got offended when someone referred to potential revenue disappearing into an abyss as a "black hole".. well, he claimed that it was a racist remark and asked "why's it gotta be a black hole?"

Anyways, it was a "joke" on my part... just being random easily offended guy.

Oh. I think that joke either needed tone of voice (hard to convey in the written word) or a little context (like if you said it to Silk"race baiter"Smoov...)

My momma always said that a joke that needs to be explained isn't funny.

xrobx · 03-18-2011, 09:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Murphy3

..wasn't being serious.. just being wrongly overly sensitive in a PC world. If you're from the Dallas area, do you remember a couple of years back when John Wiley Price got offended when someone referred to potential revenue disappearing into an abyss as a "black hole".. well, he claimed that it was a racist remark and asked "why's it gotta be a black hole?"

Anyways, it was a "joke" on my part... just being random easily offended guy.

i find the word "guy" offensive.

Murphy3 · 03-18-2011, 10:12 AM

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Oh. I think that joke either needed tone of voice (hard to convey in the written word) or a little context (like if you said it to Silk"race baiter"Smoov...)

My momma always said that a joke that needs to be explained isn't funny.

I was about to say... If I have to explain it..well, it's obviously not funny at that point.

Basically, I was expecting someone to pick up on the what I was doing...but I pretty much got swatted out to half court.

Murphy3 · 03-18-2011, 10:13 AM

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i find the word "guy" offensive.

It's too late..the bad joke has already run its course.

Usually Lurkin · 03-18-2011, 10:23 AM

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It's too late..the bad joke has already run its course.

The joke was a letdown with your first reply, which wasn't "that's what she said"

rabbitproof · 03-18-2011, 10:45 AM

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I think the fact that he had that game against a bad defensive team actually makes it more impressive. By that I mean that he probably could have scored 25 if he wanted to. Instead he did his best job to date of getting his within the flow of the offense. He passed up 3's and floaters to hit the open man. He even looked comfortable running the point for short stretches.

I didn't see the game and so I can't directly argue these points though I'd say it's easier to find the open man and run the point against a bad defensive team. It's just more curious his two "game of the years" have been against the Warriors.

grndmstr_c · 03-18-2011, 11:44 AM

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I didn't see the game and so I can't directly argue these points though I'd say it's easier to find the open man and run the point against a bad defensive team. It's just more curious his two "game of the years" have been against the Warriors.

Actually, I think at least one of his games-of-the-year came against the Spurs in the playoffs.

FWIW, I'm with dirno on this. This wasn't a one-dimensional scoring outburst from beyond the arc. It was just a high-minute, complete game. He's got to build on it or it won't mean anything in the long run, but it was definitely one of his more encouraging efforts if you're watching him with an eye to see if he can channel all that talent and skill into a winning brand of NBA basketball.

JeffViggiano · 03-18-2011, 05:36 PM

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Originally Posted by rabbitproof

I didn't see the game and so I can't directly argue these points though I'd say it's easier to find the open man and run the point against a bad defensive team. It's just more curious his two "game of the years" have been against the Warriors.

that's wrong.

SMC0007 · 03-18-2011, 06:45 PM

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Actually, I think at least one of his games-of-the-year came against the Spurs in the playoffs.

FWIW, I'm with dirno on this. This wasn't a one-dimensional scoring outburst from beyond the arc. It was just a high-minute, complete game. He's got to build on it or it won't mean anything in the long run, but it was definitely one of his more encouraging efforts if you're watching him with an eye to see if he can channel all that talent and skill into a winning brand of NBA basketball.

You are only as good as your last game, at this stage in his career. If he doesn't have at least a decent game tonight people will continue to say he isn't capable of being consistent yet. If he is solid tonight, it's that he is having a coming out party just in time for the playoffs! If he can just continue to stay in the flow taking good shots and feeding the open players from his creations, that will go a long way.