Jason Kidd for Baron Davis and Marcus Camby? - Dallas-Mavs.com Forums

particleman · 02-03-2009, 01:16 PM

Did anyone read this by Chris Broussard on ESPN? It's part of his "Five Fixes for the Clippers" article, which is an insider thing so I didn't get to read all of it, but this blurb was in today's Daily Dime:

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As great as Baron Davis can be, he's just not motivated playing for a lousy team in his hometown. Plus, his body has been fragile his whole career, so logic says that should only become a bigger problem with age.

So offer Davis ($11.25 million) and Marcus Camby ($10 million) to Dallas for Jason Kidd ($21.372 million). This trade works under the salary cap, immediately puts Dallas near the top of the Western Conference, and saves the Clippers $61.65 million over the next four years.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/dailyd...ge=dime-090203 (Box 8)

Obviously it's pure speculation and not any actual rumors, but I was curious as to what you guys think about this trade.

quietsavant · 02-03-2009, 01:17 PM

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/dailyd...ge=dime-090203

Underdog · 02-03-2009, 01:23 PM

Baron Davis is one of the few guys I'd let go of Kidd for in a heartbeat (throw in Camby and the deal is done yesterday...)

craggmac · 02-03-2009, 01:47 PM

I would hate it and love it at the same time.

nikeball · 02-03-2009, 01:57 PM

i'd hit it. *cue banana dance*

MavsWiLLHaVeRinGs · 02-03-2009, 02:03 PM

uh, yes?

Robillion · 02-03-2009, 02:06 PM

I would trade Kidd for Baron Davis OR Kidd for Marcus Camby.. either in a heartbeat, let alone getting both in return. That would be bammazing. Forget 2010 at that point.. who cares.

quietsavant · 02-03-2009, 02:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Robillion

I would trade Kidd for Baron Davis OR Kidd for Marcus Camby.. either in a heartbeat, let alone getting both in return. That would be bammazing. Forget 2010 at that point.. who cares.

side note, robillion were you on top of the ESPN van throwing little espn basketballs at the mavs vs warriors game?

jthig32 · 02-03-2009, 02:16 PM

You'd take a serious, serious hit in team chemistry and leadership. Baron Davis is a dog that play well only when motivated.

Having said that, you'd probably still have to do it.

Zki41 · 02-03-2009, 02:20 PM

Kaman instead of Camby, but either would do. Camby would be a great defensive presence, but we really need an offensive-minded big man.

Robillion · 02-03-2009, 02:21 PM

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Originally Posted by quietsavant

side note, robillion were you on top of the ESPN van throwing little espn basketballs at the mavs vs warriors game?

No, I was on the side of it in control of the skills challenge wearing a black ESPN tshirt. Giving out shirts/towels and such.

MavsWiLLHaVeRinGs · 02-03-2009, 02:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Zki41

Kaman instead of Camby, but either would do. Camby would be a great defensive presence, but we really need an offensive-minded big man.

I dont think the Clips would do Kaman/Davis. That would be like the Mavs winning the lottery. Teams don't do that for us. Only the Lakers and Celtics could get a deal like that.

Robillion · 02-03-2009, 02:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Zki41

Kaman instead of Camby, but either would do. Camby would be a great defensive presence, but we really need an offensive-minded big man.

Kaman only averages a point or two more than Camby. I am defiitely OK sacrificing that for the extra 4 rebounds, 1 extra block per game, and 1 less turnover per game.

Zki41 · 02-03-2009, 02:28 PM

Camby's defense would be enough to compensate, and Davis would be a huge scoring threat, especially on the perimeter. I think in terms of his attitude, he knows he could win a championship if this happened, and would try his best.

With our starting five as Davis, Wright, Howard, Dirk, and Camby, teams can't afford to leave anybody open like they did with Kidd. Having Terry and Dampier coming off the bench would be really nice. Dampier would dominate over any back up center. With the inclusion of Bass and Singleton, we would fare well in the post up game against a lot of the other teams that have sufficient front courts, like LA and Boston.

Tokey41 · 02-03-2009, 03:23 PM

I would instantly retract all my previous statements about how horrible the Kidd trade was for us if we could land an equally talented point guard and a brilliant defensive center in return for him. That would easily make us contenders if not favorites.

Davis/Terry/JJB
Carroll/Terry/Wright/Green
Howard/Green
Dirk/Bass/Hollins
Camby/Damp

Do it now Cuban, do it NOW. That starting five would be feared.

darkwitzki · 02-03-2009, 03:42 PM

Wow, i don't know Kidd's value can net us a superstar and a class A player? So are we a major player in the 2010 to land Lebron, Dwayne, Bosh and Amare?

MavsWiLLHaVeRinGs · 02-03-2009, 03:47 PM

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Originally Posted by darkwitzki

Wow, i don't know Kidd's value can net us a superstar and a class A player? So are we a major player in the 2010 to land Lebron, Dwayne, Bosh and Amare?

Yes, we're going to get all of them. And we can keep Dirk too. No problem.

Dirk
B. Davis
Camby
Lebron
Wade

Bench
Bosh
Amare
JET
JJ Barea

They're all coming to Dallas, because they heard Cubes was kewl to his players.

Tokey41 · 02-03-2009, 03:54 PM

I think we should try and do this before someone like Toronto does... I know they already have Calderon, but I'm sure they wouldn't mind trading JO for Davis/Camby either if those trades for Marion have fell through.

young_gunner · 02-03-2009, 03:55 PM

^^^ who would be the point??

ghazi · 02-03-2009, 04:27 PM

Baron's frail and has played like absolute garbage this year. You think Kidd's shooting is bad (41%) Baron's shooting 35.5% this year and 29% from behind arc (compared to Kidd's 39%)

But I think I'd do itttt.

darkwitzki · 02-03-2009, 04:37 PM

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Originally Posted by MavsWiLLHaVeRinGs

Yes, we're going to get all of them. And we can keep Dirk too. No problem.

Dirk
B. Davis
Camby
Lebron
Wade

Bench
Bosh
Amare
JET
JJ Barea

They're all coming to Dallas, because they heard Cubes was kewl to his players.

Can we include Kobe too?

Danny Boi · 02-03-2009, 05:02 PM

This is a very difficult trade to break down. On one side we've seen what B. Davis can be when he is on (see Mavs vs Warriors playoff series), but on the other side he's always injured. Also. while Camby is a good defensive player, he too is often injured.

ghazi · 02-03-2009, 05:03 PM

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Originally Posted by darkwitzki

Wow, i don't know Kidd's value can net us a superstar and a class A player? So are we a major player in the 2010 to land Lebron, Dwayne, Bosh and Amare?

Davis isn't exactly a superstar.

MavsWiLLHaVeRinGs · 02-03-2009, 05:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Danny Boi

This is a very difficult trade to break down. On one side we've seen what B. Davis can be when he is on (see Mavs vs Warriors playoff series), but on the other side he's always injured. Also. while Camby is a good defensive player, he too is often injured.

Yeah but Kidd could walk for nothing after this season. I think the FO would have to do it if it was on the table.

RareMilk · 02-03-2009, 05:47 PM

I like it but I'm not sure if Dirk is cool with B Diddy...I think the rest of the team can get along

Thomas86 · 02-03-2009, 06:13 PM

Trading Pg's in the middle of the season is a bad idea man just look what happened last season when Kidd came...the team had no chemistry going into the playoffs but if the Mavs really think Kidd is gonna walk at the end of the season they do the trade.

Zki41 · 02-03-2009, 06:13 PM

Dirk would be cool with anybody who wants to help him win a championship. The man is willing to take a pay cut, I think he'll tolerate B Diddy. I bet Josh will

Tokey41 · 02-03-2009, 06:18 PM

Baron's unmotivated right now, and who can blame him? The Clippers are the disappointment of the season, and he didn't get to play with his buddy Brand. On a contender like Dallas (would be)? Watch out.

craggmac · 02-03-2009, 06:59 PM

I don't think there are enough thugs on the Mavs for Baron Davis to perform well here.

Robillion · 02-03-2009, 07:03 PM

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Originally Posted by craggmac

I don't think there are enough thugs on the Mavs for Baron Davis to perform well here.

Unless we trade Howard for Steven Jackson.. UH OH

alby · 02-03-2009, 07:17 PM

Baron Davis on a winning team = one of the best PGs in the NBA
Baron Davis on a losing team = one of the most frustrating players in the NBA

Dallas Mavericks under Dirk = 8+ winning seasons with a playoff berth in each those seasons

This, to me, is a no-brainer.

I would probably buy a Baron jersey the day of.

wmbwinn · 02-03-2009, 07:47 PM

Any time you have an opportunity to pick up a center as good as Camby (or Kaman, either one), you have to jump. You just have to. They are such rare resources in the NBA.

And, I agree that Baron Davis only plays when motivated. I think he would be motivated by playing for a team that would immediately be a contender.

I'd do this trade.

But, this trade is ridiculous and is not really available. The only legitimate reason for them to do this trade is to salary dump. That assumes they are going to probably sign and trade JKidd after his salary expires at the end of the season. It makes no sense for them to pay JKidd what he is worth and keep him if they are moving into a rebuild mode.

So, the only way they do this if they have entirely given up and want to dump salary and start over.

stewartj · 02-03-2009, 08:59 PM

http://www.dallas-mavs.com/vb/showthread.php?t=34612

wmbwinn · 02-03-2009, 09:31 PM

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Originally Posted by stewartj

http://www.dallas-mavs.com/vb/showthread.php?t=34612

thanks for the link. looks like the rumor/idea is in several places. I'd definitely do the trade if it actually comes up

tcat075 · 02-03-2009, 09:37 PM

IMO, Kidd > Davis.

But Davis and Camby...that's nearly impossible to resist.

Zki41 · 02-03-2009, 09:55 PM

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Originally Posted by craggmac

I don't think there are enough thugs on the Mavs for Baron Davis to perform well here.

Dampier? Stackhouse (lol)?

craggmac · 02-04-2009, 11:56 PM

tybrock · 02-06-2009, 08:43 PM

This may be an expensive move, and a bit of a gamble, but the impact could change this team. Baron is one of the better scoring and defending point guards in the league. He CAN be one of the elite points when motivated. I think we would be surprised how coming to a winning team with at least the chance of getting to the playoffs will motivate a player.

Camby may not be a dominate low-post player, but he does average a double-double. Which is more than what we get from Damp. I don't think I need to argue for the defense he brings. Now I still think a trade or two more to sure up some other positions would be good. This move to me gets us back in contention for at least the next two years.

Did I mention this team gets the toughness it desperately needs!

MavsWiLLHaVeRinGs · 02-06-2009, 08:56 PM

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Why is Jason Kidd hanging out with Mr Cooper?

MavsWiLLHaVeRinGs · 02-07-2009, 10:28 PM

No Camby

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• The latest rumblings out of Clipperland suggest that rookie Eric Gordon and center Marcus Camby are the only two players L.A. refuses to trade, which is another way of saying that the Baron Davis trade speculation isn't about to go away, no matter how unlikely it is in this economy for a deal to materialize before the deadline that forces Davis to leave his hometown.

-Marc Stein ESPN

I'm surprised at his age on a team that's going nowhere that he'd be untouchable.