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DevinHarriswillstart · 07-06-2019, 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Amarelooms

Cousins to lakers. Good job Mavs. Keep doing nothing

A week from now, we're going to hear the media say how smart it was that we didn't give out any bad deals.

AO41 · 07-06-2019, 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by sefant77

Cousins is the last player we need right now

Why...there is no risk whatsoever. If he comes in and doesn’t fit or has bad attitude you send him packing. If he comes in in shape and 80 % recovers he could give a team 20 and 10 easy for the next 4-5 years. I know he nag but make sense after his injuries but the skills are still there especially if he comes super cheap. Having set that it’s a much better fit and move for the Lakers and I expect that he will so we’ll there.

And LOL @ LeBron

AO41 · 07-06-2019, 02:07 PM

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Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

A week from now, we're going to hear the media say how smart it was that we didn't give out any bad deals.

I cant tell if you are being serious and actually it is a really good thing that we didn’t give out bad deals.

I just disagree that a 2 year deal with 8 mill? ( with second being a team option) for Cousins is bad deal in any wya despite his history.

Underdog · 07-06-2019, 02:15 PM

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Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

A week from now, we're going to hear the media say how smart it was that we didn't give out any bad deals.

Can't make bad deals if you don't make any deals at all!

DevinHarriswillstart · 07-06-2019, 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by AO41

I cant tell if you are being serious and actually it is a really good thing that we didn’t give out bad deals.

I just disagree that a 2 year deal with 8 mill? ( with second being a team option) for Cousins is bad deal in any wya despite his history.

I was mocking what might actually happen. There have been a few bad deals, but I actually think most of them have been "this market" reasonable.

Underdog · 07-06-2019, 02:19 PM

@KeithSmithNBA: Remaining cap space/exceptions:

ATL - $14M
BOS - $0
BKN - $0
CHA - $9.2M MLE
CHI - $4.7M Room
CLE - $5.7M MLE
DAL - $22.9M
DEN - $9.2M MLE
DET - $1.9M MLE
GSW - $0
HOU - $5.7M MLE
IND - $2M + $4.7M Room
LAC - $4.7M Room
LAL - $1.2M -$9M
MEM - $9.2M MLE
MIA - $0
MIL - $0
MIN - $7.2M MLE
NOP - $0
NYK - $$6.8M + $4.7 Room
OKC - $5.7M MLE
ORL - $0
PHI - $0
PHX - $0
POR - $0
SAC - $4.5M
SAS - $2.9M MLE
TOR - $8.4M MLE
UTA - $1.7M
WAS - $3.4M MLE

turin · 07-06-2019, 02:20 PM

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Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

A week from now, we're going to hear the media say how smart it was that we didn't give out any bad deals.

Nah, tomorrow at the latest they'll be circling the wagons with that BS.

turin · 07-06-2019, 02:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Underdog

Can't make bad deals if you don't make any deals at all!

This. SMH

EricaLubarsky · 07-06-2019, 02:23 PM

Mavs offer 3/36 to Green which is more than fair
Lakers 2/30

EricaLubarsky · 07-06-2019, 02:24 PM

Mavs offer 3/36 to Green which is more than fair
Lakers 2/30

DevinHarriswillstart · 07-06-2019, 02:31 PM

I doubt Green comes even with a higher offer anyway. Plus, they were trying to (reportedly) add Morris as well.

sefant77 · 07-06-2019, 02:34 PM

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Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

Mavs offer 3/36 to Green which is more than fair
Lakers 2/30

Yeah 3/36 were fair slightly overpaid market price. Lakers overpaid.

rimrocker · 07-06-2019, 02:44 PM

At this point I'd rather not sign any of the remaining FAs to a deal more than 2 years.
Mavs should probably hold on to that cap space for potential trades where we can take on some salary while gaining young useful or tradeable assets.

MFFL · 07-06-2019, 02:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Dtownsfinest

It’s weird because players say they love playing with him and he and George seemed close. I think George just wanted to go to La. Hes been trying to for years.

Shams Charania
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Rival NBA teams have been aware of the discontent of OKC's two stars: Paul George -- and Russell Westbrook, league sources tell @TheAthleticNBA @Stadium. Leonard pushed the Clippers in recent days to deliver him a second star, and they did.

turin · 07-06-2019, 02:51 PM

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Originally Posted by sefant77

Yeah 3/36 were fair slightly overpaid market price. Lakers overpaid.

Yeah, but it was only a 2 yr deal.

purplefrog · 07-06-2019, 02:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Underdog

@KeithSmithNBA: Remaining cap space/exceptions:

ATL - $14M
BOS - $0
BKN - $0
CHA - $9.2M MLE
CHI - $4.7M Room
CLE - $5.7M MLE
DAL - $22.9M
DEN - $9.2M MLE
DET - $1.9M MLE
GSW - $0
HOU - $5.7M MLE
IND - $2M + $4.7M Room
LAC - $4.7M Room
LAL - $1.2M -$9M
MEM - $9.2M MLE
MIA - $0
MIL - $0
MIN - $7.2M MLE
NOP - $0
NYK - $$6.8M + $4.7 Room
OKC - $5.7M MLE
ORL - $0
PHI - $0
PHX - $0
POR - $0
SAC - $4.5M
SAS - $2.9M MLE
TOR - $8.4M MLE
UTA - $1.7M
WAS - $3.4M MLE

So if the Mavs offered Iman Shumpert $15M per, no one could compete with that offer (note.. sarcasm)?

Amarelooms · 07-06-2019, 03:20 PM

Someone post list of free agents left

Amarelooms · 07-06-2019, 03:25 PM

Also if Want trade for Adams and Westbrook how much salary is that? Brunson, hardaway, Lee, filler and a 1st. They get massive cap relief.

AO41 · 07-06-2019, 03:25 PM

Just saw on Twitter that Heat May be interested in RW and actually that’s June do the first teams I though about for him when I saw he may be looking to be traded.

Wonder if Mavs can somehow get in and get some good pieces. I would happily take Adams and maybe another 1-2 good players of available.

AO41 · 07-06-2019, 03:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Amarelooms

Also if Want trade for Adams and Westbrook how much salary is that? Brunson, hardaway, Lee, filler and a 1st. They get massive cap relief.

Sources: We are not looking or interested in Westbrook.

No Sources: I bet we would take Adams

Five-ofan · 07-06-2019, 03:32 PM

God I hope we don't overreact and go get westbrook

Five-ofan · 07-06-2019, 03:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Amarelooms

Also if Want trade for Adams and Westbrook how much salary is that? Brunson, hardaway, Lee, filler and a 1st. They get massive cap relief.

Westbrook is the second most negative value player in the NBA behind John wall. If we take him we'd need to get picks not give

DevinHarriswillstart · 07-06-2019, 03:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Five-ofan

God I hope we don't overreact and go get westbrook

We have nothing to give them to make that work.

sefant77 · 07-06-2019, 03:37 PM

Westbrook? We arent trading for him and westbrick would straight demand another trade because of Cuban.

But for me Westbrook is up there with Wiggins and Wall. terrible contract and he just dont add anything to winning basktball. There was a reason why Durant left in 2016...

Budapest Maverick · 07-06-2019, 03:39 PM

Zeus · 07-06-2019, 03:43 PM

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Originally Posted by oilfieldtrash

Danny Green, Aminu, and Nene. That helps the team significantly in the areas we need help. At the same time none of those contracts are going to hurt flexibility into the future.

Shooting and defense.

We must learned that the logic of keeping flexibility is flawed in the modern NBA because haven't we learned by now that teams can dump assets and create flexibility on the fly in literally a few minutes. Not to litigate 2011 roster dump in the name of flexibility, but we now know that was based on completely flawed logic.

Zeus · 07-06-2019, 03:50 PM

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Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

I actually don't care if Kawhi goes to LA. The league wants super teams, and thus, there will be them. Heat, GSW, Lakers...it's going to be some lucky franchise that has it no matter the circumstance. F 'em.

Actually the league (Adam Silver) has explicitly said in multiple interviews that they dont want all players to congregate on super teams. You can see this by the way max contracts and the skewing toward the original team in terms of max is structured.

Zeus · 07-06-2019, 03:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Dtownsfinest

I feel blindsided by this move but in hindsight probably should’ve took more notice of all the cap space the Clippers had and Beverly taking less.

They didn't have cap room except for Kawhi. They created it for George on the fly by sending assets and a bunch of draft choices back to the Thunder. I keep trying to battle this got to have flexibility and dry powder on these boards to no avail as people keep saying the same thing. Let's get it clear - The Mavs F'd up back in 2011 when they tore up the team so they could have future flexibility. You can create it any time you want by dumping assets and moving contracts - see last night for gods sake.

DevinHarriswillstart · 07-06-2019, 03:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Zeus

Actually the league (Adam Silver) has explicitly said in multiple interviews that they dont want all players to congregate on super teams. You can see this by the way max contracts and the skewing toward the original team in terms of max is structured.

They might say that, but allowing constant collusion says otherwise. Kawhi literally just forced a team to trade a player, under contract, to join him on another team.

Zeus · 07-06-2019, 03:57 PM

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Originally Posted by sefant77

Cap space means shit these days, assets...all that matters is If a star wanna tamper his way onto your team. Its a Buddy League since 2010...thats why we failed with Dirk all the years.

So thats the lesson for Luka and KP, THEY have to do the work for 2021, not the FO

Bingo - thank you my friend. I have been battling this sentiment that a team needs to keep dry powder for flexibility going back to the 2011 post championship disaster when the FO first used the flawed logic to rip apart the team because they feared not being able to get free agents to come. You can always dump assets and clear space if you have someone willing to come.

turin · 07-06-2019, 04:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Zeus

Bingo - thank you my friend. I have been battling this sentiment that a team needs to keep dry powder for flexibility going back to the 2011 post championship disaster when the FO first used the flawed logic to rip apart the team because they feared not being able to get free agents to come. You can always dump assets and clear space if you have someone willing to come.

Meh, this crap has been known since the Mavs first made this mistake in 2011. However, some people are too hard headed to learn. Arrogance and thinking you're smarter than everybody else will do that to ya.

Look at all of the stupid ass decisions made due to cap space maneuvering. Giannis anybody? SMH Cap space is the END GAME to getting a deal done, not the beginning. If you can't land a deal, then the cap space doesn't mean jack. It certainly doesn't seem to be working in the Mav's favor to show their hand with huge cap space before anybody else. How many deals were a surprise this year? Put the deal together, THEN hammer out the cap space. Better to have unexecuted cap plan contingencies worked out than to clear space, so everybody else uses you as either a dumpster or chump for leverage.

Underdog · 07-06-2019, 04:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Amarelooms

Someone post list of free agents left

@NickVanExit:

Marcus Morris
Delon Wright
Justin Holiday
JaMychal Green
Jonas Jerebko
Avery Bradley
Vince Carter
Kelly Oubre RFA
David Nwaba
Rondae Hollis-Jefferson

Not great but still some good ones.

EricaLubarsky · 07-06-2019, 04:04 PM

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Originally Posted by turin

My prediction is that the Mavs overpay and offer Cousins a 2-yr contract, probably with the 2nd being an option

Wrong and wrong

EricaLubarsky · 07-06-2019, 04:05 PM

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Originally Posted by FreshJive

He wasn’t restricted, so yeah. They wouldn’t have a say in the matter. They didn’t even offer him his max. He was the only realistic target.

He did get the max. Just not the supermax with 5 years. We could not have offered more.

They could have offered more (specifically year 5) we could not have.

Underdog · 07-06-2019, 04:06 PM

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Marcus Morris
Delon Wright
Justin Holiday
JaMychal Green
Jonas Jerebko
Avery Bradley
Vince Carter
Kelly Oubre RFA
David Nwaba
Rondae Hollis-Jefferson

I'd rather use our cap space to pick up some assets while facilitating a trade...

Zeus · 07-06-2019, 04:07 PM

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Originally Posted by AO41

This is the only good thing about our current state. If everyone remains healthy, I believe Luka is so good that he and KP challenge these other duos. Maybe not next year but in a few years for sure.

We may only have a few seasons. If we fail to materially improve this team over the next off season or two what makes you think Luka would re-sign with the Mavs? He could go to LA and join AD post LeBron retirement for instance.

Zeus · 07-06-2019, 04:09 PM

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Originally Posted by turin

Meh, this crap has been known since the Mavs first made this mistake in 2011. However, some people are too hard headed to learn. Arrogance and thinking you're smarter than everybody else will do that to ya.

Look at all of the stupid ass decisions made due to cap space maneuvering. Giannis anybody? SMH Cap space is the END GAME to getting a deal done, not the beginning. If you can't land a deal, then the cap space doesn't mean jack. It certainly doesn't seem to be working in the Mav's favor to show their hand with huge cap space before anybody else. How many deals were a surprise this year? Put the deal together, THEN hammer out the cap space. Better to have unexecuted cap plan contingencies worked out than to clear space, so everybody else uses you as either a dumpster or chump for leverage.

Yes indeed - you gave nuance and details to what I was saying. You are exactly right!

DevinHarriswillstart · 07-06-2019, 04:11 PM

It's kinda weird and disappointing to think that if we had gotten Kemba, we'd like be up there with the Clippers as the favorites in the west. We'd have arguably the only big three in the league. Not a good fit long term, but he'd certainly have a big impact this season. Oh well...

Dtownsfinest · 07-06-2019, 04:12 PM

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Originally Posted by AO41

And that’s where we really failed this summer. We should have gone after some of the gettable players early in to complement Luka and KP and we didn’t do it early enough.

And actually I would say Brunson.

It very well may be Bronson. And it shouldn’t be. Very disheartening.

Underdog · 07-06-2019, 04:29 PM

LOL...

@ShamsCharania: Free agent forward Marcus Morris has agreed to a two-year, $20M deal with the San Antonio Spurs, with a second-year player option, league sources tell @TheAthleticNBA @Stadium.