Mavs off-season and draft 2023 thread

[DevinHarriswillstart]

Lively with the good workout. He is draining them, but why not during the season?

Still, won't get a complaint from me if we picked him.

https://twitter.com/swishcultures_/s...ues-to-impress

[rimrocker]

Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

Lively with the good workout. He is draining them, but why not during the season?

Still, won't get a complaint from me if we picked him.

https://twitter.com/swishcultures_/s...ues-to-impress

He's my favorite for us in this draft after Wemby.
Would be fun to watch him and Wemby battle it out for a decade.

Wouldn't mind seeing us trade back a few picks and take him.

What about THJ/10 for Collins/15? Then take Lively at 15.

[DevinHarriswillstart]

Originally Posted by rimrocker

He's my favorite for us in this draft after Wemby.
Would be fun to watch him and Wemby battle it out for a decade.

Wouldn't mind seeing us trade back a few picks and take him.

What about THJ/10 for Collins/15? Then take Lively at 15.

Hawks won't do that, but I think with some maneuvering we could possibly get both TJD and Lively.

I do like where your head is at though. Get a 4 and a 5. And a three for that matter. And talent. And players that aren't the ones we have.

[rimrocker]

Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

Hawks won't do that, but I think with some maneuvering we could possibly get both TJD and Lively.

I do like where your head is at though. Get a 4 and a 5. And a three for that matter. And talent. And players that aren't the ones we have.

Atlanta probably wouldnt depending on how desperate they are to dump Collins.

Indy wants to move up in the draft so it wouldnt surprise me if we offer something involving the #10.

Would you consider this?

#10/Hardy/Hardaway for Turner/26/32

[saclare]

Originally Posted by rimrocker

Atlanta probably wouldnt depending on how desperate they are to dump Collins.

Indy wants to move up in the draft so it wouldnt surprise me if we offer something involving the #10.

Would you consider this?

#10/Hardy/Hardaway for Turner/26/32

No thanks. We need to start applying top 10 trade value to Hardy. I look at it this way, there's not 10 guys I'd take over Hardy in this draft or many others. We have the benefit of hindsight, sure, but we already have the kid. He's your Jordan Poole (not a PG btw) for those wanting to include him in anything.

[SMC0007]

Originally Posted by rimrocker

Atlanta probably wouldnt depending on how desperate they are to dump Collins.

Indy wants to move up in the draft so it wouldnt surprise me if we offer something involving the #10.

Would you consider this?

#10/Hardy/Hardaway for Turner/26/32

Hard no. I agree with Saclare, That's moving 2 top 10 picks.

[sig]

The nets seems to need some PG depth and the new PG should be young guy who can be the future PG. I really like Spence but he is on his last year and getting older. The 10 pick seems to be sitting right in PG part of the draft. Wallace, smith and black from Ark., Hood Schifino could all fill the roll.

They could also use a PF. DFS and O'Neal are the guys at the moment but maybe they might like Wood. I'd offer up THJ and 10 for DFS, Mills and pick 21,22. I'd also agree to SnT Wood for Joe Harris if they have interest in Wood. If not then maybe they'd like McGee and Bullock.

Another way to work that deal is to send McGee, Bullock, 10 and for DFS, 21,22. Then work the Joe Harris trade for either SnT Wood or THJ. Maybe third team gets nvolved but Wood seems like a fit at PF for them.

Bertans and Harris could be nice trade deadline assets if the future FRP is added for a player that has long term salary to move. Harris and Bertans 35 mil could be only Bertans 5 mil guaranteed in summer of 24.

[tap2390]

Originally Posted by sig

The nets seems to need some PG depth and the new PG should be young guy who can be the future PG. I really like Spence but he is on his last year and getting older. The 10 pick seems to be sitting right in PG part of the draft. Wallace, smith and black from Ark., Hood Schifino could all fill the roll.

They could also use a PF. DFS and O'Neal are the guys at the moment but maybe they might like Wood. I'd offer up THJ and 10 for DFS, Mills and pick 21,22. I'd also agree to SnT Wood for Joe Harris if they have interest in Wood. If not then maybe they'd like McGee and Bullock.

Another way to work that deal is to send McGee, Bullock, 10 and for DFS, 21,22. Then work the Joe Harris trade for either SnT Wood or THJ. Maybe third team gets nvolved but Wood seems like a fit at PF for them.

Bertans and Harris could be nice trade deadline assets if the future FRP is added for a player that has long term salary to move. Harris and Bertans 35 mil could be only Bertans 5 mil guaranteed in summer of 24.

Great idea that makes sense, although I don't see why the Nets couldn't get more for DFS. I think the more likely trade is 10 for 21/22.

[sig]

Originally Posted by tap2390

Great idea that makes sense, although I don't see why the Nets couldn't get more for DFS. I think the more likely trade is 10 for 21/22.

Depends on how much they value 10th pick and what direction they are going.
O'Neal was playing more minutes per game than DFS especially after Bridges and Johnson came over from the suns. DFS game declined at least offensively.
If the Wood sNT is a real thing for Harris then THJ and WooD for Harris, DFS, Mills seems close to me. I would not be surprised if the Nets try to unload some salary to chasea star coming to the big city though.

[tap2390]

Originally Posted by sig

Depends on how much they value 10th pick and what direction they are going.
O'Neal was playing more minutes per game than DFS especially after Bridges and Johnson came over from the suns. DFS game declined at least offensively.
If the Wood sNT is a real thing for Harris then THJ and WooD for Harris, DFS, Mills seems close to me. I would not be surprised if the Nets try to unload some salary to chasea star coming to the big city though.

Hmm if Nets are wanting to shed salary...

Bertans / 10

for

DFS or O'Neale / Mills / 21 / 22

Nets immediately cut Bertans and his salary is off the books after a year... Mills and Pinson are our de facto assistant coaches.... Mavs resign Kyrie, and draft two of:

Adem Bona, James Nnaji, Dereck Lively, TJD

and

Bilal Coulibaly, Leonard Miller, Sidy Cissoko, Olivier Maxence Prosper, Rayan Rupert

[saclare]

Originally Posted by tap2390

Hmm if Nets are wanting to shed salary...

Bertans / 10

for

DFS or O'Neale / Mills / 21 / 22

Nets immediately cut Bertans and his salary is off the books after a year... Mills and Pinson are our de facto assistant coaches.... Mavs resign Kyrie, and draft two of:

Adem Bona, James Nnaji, Dereck Lively, TJD

and

Bilal Coulibaly, Leonard Miller, Sidy Cissoko, Olivier Maxence Prosper, Rayan Rupert

Not gonna sugarcoat it...none of those guys move the needle for me. Not even getting DFS back would get me excited for dropping from the caliber of players (and value in a trade) at 10 to 21/22.

I also don't think Mavs FO cares for Mills as he could have been had last year if they wanted.

I tend to think we could get more for Bertans contract expiring than we would think.

I can totally see Mavs drafting at 10 the BPA they think can help their timeline now and they could always reassess at the TDL with the player picked, plus Green and Hardy as trade bait if they feel it puts them in prime position for a championship run.

Then again, I'm all for adding a top 10 young talent to this roster unless it's netting a Turner, Siakam, etc. level of player.

[EricaLubarsky]

30 days left until the draft

I'd be really curious what yall think about if we keep the pick or not.

[SMC0007]

Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

30 days left until the draft

I'd be really curious what yall think about if we keep the pick or not.

I think we keep *A* pick. Our pick will be a PF or C. If we select anything else, it will be for another team in some kind of deal.

My mind is changed based off thr reality of our picks going out in the future.

[BPo001]

Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

30 days left until the draft

I'd be really curious what yall think about if we keep the pick or not.

I 100% expect Cuban to trade the pick.

[Dallas41]

Originally Posted by BPo001

I 100% expect Cuban to trade the pick.

Yep

I'm with you on this.

In fact the only guy mentioned out of all the names being thrown out as a draft pick that even makes sense is the kid out of UCF.

If he there's not I'd support cuban 100% for trading this Pick. Guys like Turner, Siakam, Grant or Reid all fit this term perfectly at as C/PF options next to Luka.

The kid from UCF falls under that category amongst that group.

If it ain't him being drafted I'd move that pick in heartbeat for a win now vet. Just not impressed very much with all the other probable options there at 10.

One guy I'm happy they aren't considering is Grady Dick. Don't need anymore slow footed below avg defenders on this team regardless of their ability to space the fucking floor on offense.

[rimrocker]

Originally Posted by Dallas41

Yep

I'm with you on this.

In fact the only guy mentioned out of all the names being thrown out as a draft pick that even makes sense is the kid out of UCF.

If he there's not I'd support cuban 100% for trading this Pick. Guys like Turner, Siakam, Grant or Reid all fit this term perfectly at as C/PF options next to Luka.

The kid from UCF falls under that category amongst that group.

If it ain't him being drafted I'd move that pick in heartbeat for a win now vet. Just not impressed very much with all the other probable options there at 10.

One guy I'm happy they aren't considering is Grady Dick. Don't need anymore slow footed below avg defenders on this team regardless of their ability to space the fucking floor on offense.

Dick is more athletic than you think and is actually a good defender.
He'll be very good someday but doesnt fit our timeline.
OKC or Utah would be the perfect places for him.

[tap2390]

Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

30 days left until the draft

I'd be really curious what yall think about if we keep the pick or not.

22 days**

The draft is on June 22nd.

[sig]

Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

30 days left until the draft

I'd be really curious what yall think about if we keep the pick or not.

IMO, they trade the pick and make a panic move.

I'd rather they add more picks and rebuild the depth of the roster with fresh young athletic legs and energy. It won't take much for Luka/KI duo to move back up and be a playoff team. I think if Luka is surrounded with young talent, he is more likely to stay then a failed attempt at adding a vet.

[rimrocker]

Originally Posted by sig

IMO, they trade the pick and make a panic move.

I'd rather they add more picks and rebuild the depth of the roster with fresh young athletic legs and energy. It won't take much for Luka/KI duo to move back up and be a playoff team. I think if Luka is surrounded with young talent, he is more likely to stay then a failed attempt at adding a vet.

Yep...that's the way I see it too.

I think Luka would be happier leading a team of young guys with upside that he can help develop and mold, than bringing in vets with baggage.

Build a young core and then fill in the voids with role playing vets.

[DevinHarriswillstart]

Assuming Walker/Hendricks are gone.....Leonard Miller, Lively, or TJD. Those are my three to get whenever they may be got. You can also get Oscar Tschiebwe in the late second round.

You have to think with the Hardy/Ignite thing that they seriously consider Leonard Miller. He is definitely rising too.

And Lively compares size-wise with Walker Kessler and has similar shot blocking skills. Don't want to make the mistake of drafting him though just because of Kessler, but Lively is better than people think. Only thing that gave me pause was when his first comparison of himself was to Willie-Caulie Stein. Dear god....

It's just a weak draft overall for our needs, but you can still fill the need.

[EricaLubarsky]

Good news is we are apparently out on Dick

[rimrocker]

Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

Good news is we are apparently out on Dick

If we pick Dick it will definitely be for another team.

If we were rebuilding I think he'd be a steal at 10.
It will take him a few years to develop that body but when he does he should be a solid player.

[sig]

With all the Turner talk from Pacers, what about the Isiah Jackson, Buddy duo instead along with a pick swap. Swap Buddy for Duarte and the maybe the Mavs can cut some salary if THJ or (Bullock/McGee) goes to Indy. The article below is about 2 years old now but Jackson would be a good defensive player.

https://therookiewire.usatoday.com/2...ckson-defense/

[sig]

With all the Turner talk from Pacers, what about the Isiah Jackson, Buddy duo instead along with a pick swap. Swap Buddy for Duarte and the maybe the Mavs can cut some salary if THJ or (Bullock/McGee) goes to Indy. The article below is about 2 years old now but Jackson would be a good defensive player.

https://therookiewire.usatoday.com/2...ckson-defense/

[saclare]

Originally Posted by sig

With all the Turner talk from Pacers, what about the Isiah Jackson, Buddy duo instead along with a pick swap. Swap Buddy for Duarte and the maybe the Mavs can cut some salary if THJ or (Bullock/McGee) goes to Indy. The article below is about 2 years old now but Jackson would be a good defensive player.

https://therookiewire.usatoday.com/2...ckson-defense/

He'd be great as a defender but he seems to be a blackhole on offense. I'd rather Turner if the 10th pick is traded, even with a pick swap.

[tap2390]

Fair enough! My personal $.02 is that the third tier of this draft is large and the caliber player at 21/22 isn't that different from 10, especially if Mavs are looking for ready now guys (TJD).

That being said, if Nico loves someone at 10, I would much rather they take him than we end up with a Shane Larkin situation all over again.

[saclare]

Originally Posted by tap2390

Fair enough! My personal $.02 is that the third tier of this draft is large and the caliber player at 21/22 isn't that different from 10, especially if Mavs are looking for ready now guys (TJD).

That being said, if Nico loves someone at 10, I would much rather they take him than we end up with a Shane Larkin situation all over again.

For sure, and that's my fear though there's definitely risk in any prospect. But I do think guys like Hendricks and Walker are better now and have higher ceilings. That being said, your proposal was nabbing two from that lower tier so maybe risk mitigated somewhat.

[DevinHarriswillstart]

I actually don't see the Nets doing that. The talent pool from 10ish to about 25 isn't drastically different. You can make cases for about 20 players in that range. Why get one pick at 10 when you can strike on at least one of 21 or 22. I guess it depends who is there at 10, but rumors are Jazz don't pass on Dick at 9. And even if Walker or Hendricks fell, I'm not sure they fit the Nets current roster/timeline. Who knows though.

Of course the likelihood is high that the Mavs make a panic trade. Just don't make a bad one.

That bleacher report rumor where we trade two firsts and Josh Green for OG is a bad trade.

[Dallas41]

"OG Anouby is about as good as they can realistically hope to get, as his elite defense and shot-making would make him an ideal third banana alongside Luka Doncic and Kyrie Irving, whom the team still plans to re-sign.?

Anunoby was great defensively all season, as he was named to the NBA?s All-Defensive Second Team. The 25-year-old was not only impactful on the defensive end, but also was able to post some solid scoring numbers in 67 starts for the Raptors. He averaged 16.8 points per game while shooting 47.6% from the field and 38.7% from beyond the arc.

He?d likely be a great fit beside the Mavericks? pair of ball-dominant stars, acting as a great option as a catch-and-shoot player.

[SMC0007]

https://youtu.be/CgqDyifuU6I

If he somehow makes it to 10. Isn't it a no brainer?

[DevinHarriswillstart]

Originally Posted by SMC0007

https://youtu.be/CgqDyifuU6I

If he somehow makes it to 10. Isn't it a no brainer?

I like it, but I wouldn't say no-brainer. There is always a risk with a jack of all trades but master of none type of player. I don't really see star value here unless he becomes a top 10 defender. Not much of a shooter which is the a negative.

I actually might take Leonard Miller over him. Miller is a legit rebounder which we need over everything else. (last in the league)

Miller also came on strong near the end of the g league season the same way Hardy did.

Tough choice though. Walker, Hendricks, Miller, Lively, TJD. Happy with any of them.

[tap2390]

Personally cooling a bit on Jarace Walker. Advanced stats show him to be averse to contact.

[SMC0007]

Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

I like it, but I wouldn't say no-brainer. There is always a risk with a jack of all trades but master of none type of player. I don't really see star value here unless he becomes a top 10 defender. Not much of a shooter which is the a negative.

I actually might take Leonard Miller over him. Miller is a legit rebounder which we need over everything else. (last in the league)

Miller also came on strong near the end of the g league season the same way Hardy did.

Tough choice though. Walker, Hendricks, Miller, Lively, TJD. Happy with any of them.

Yea Tough choice. I just like that he is a good defender day 1 and can cover a lot of the floor. He can handle switches really well and carves out plenty of space with size and strength too. We need a mobile switchable big so bad.

[EricaLubarsky]

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/...stay-nba-draft

[DevinHarriswillstart]

Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/...stay-nba-draft

Might go undrafted. I'd offer a 4 year contract immediately.

I think what kills his stock is the fact that he is 6'7 1/4 without shoes. That's actually an inch shorter than TJD.

Still think he can find his way as a really solid backup center though.

[Dallas41]

Mavs desperately need a long athletic wing with size like Arron Gordon

Dude can a number of things and is solid defensively

That's why I think guys like siakam or Grant would be perfect here.

Hendricks makes a ton a sense if they keep the pick. He's my favorite player in the entire draft

[tap2390]

I think Bilal Coulibaly and Leonard Miller are sleeper picks for us.

[sig]

Originally Posted by Dallas41

Mavs desperately need a long athletic wing with size like Arron Gordon

Dude can a number of things and is solid defensively

That's why I think guys like siakam or Grant would be perfect here.

Hendricks makes a ton a sense if they keep the pick. He's my favorite player in the entire draft

If Hendricks is on the board at 10, i'd be OK to take him. His measurables and shooting highlights are impressive. I don't think he will be best player though at 10 and if they can find a way to trade future FRP to get another pick later then take L. Miller seems similar that would be nice.

Giovany from DraftExpress/ESPN released a new mock draft on June 1. I still think Hood-Schifino will be best player on board at 10 and Giovany now has Utah taking him at 9 with Dick going 11. Cuban needs to use his IU ties and discuss with Mike Woodson about JHS.

Giovany has GG Jackson, Jalen wilson TJD, Jaquez Jr., Walsh and Keyonte Johnson all in the 1st half of the 2nd round. My hope is the Mavs find a way to replenish the roster with a lot of young players when the opportunity is there in a strong draft.

[sig]

Originally Posted by Dallas41

Mavs desperately need a long athletic wing with size like Arron Gordon

Dude can a number of things and is solid defensively

That's why I think guys like siakam or Grant would be perfect here.

Hendricks makes a ton a sense if they keep the pick. He's my favorite player in the entire draft

If Hendricks is on the board at 10, i'd be OK to take him. His measurables and shooting highlights are impressive. I don't think he will be best player though at 10 and if they can find a way to trade future FRP to get another pick later then take L. Miller who seems similar that would be just as good.

Giovany from DraftExpress/ESPN released a new mock draft on June 1. I still think Hood-Schifino will be best player on board at 10 and Giovany now has Utah taking him at 9 with Dick going 11. Cuban needs to use his IU ties and discuss with Mike Woodson about JHS.

Giovany has GG Jackson, Jalen wilson TJD, Jaquez Jr., Walsh and Keyonte Johnson all in the 1st half of the 2nd round. My hope is the Mavs find a way to replenish the roster with a lot of young players when the opportunity is there in a strong draft.

[tap2390]

I previously dismissed Anthony Black, but the more I watch, the more I like. He's super smart and probably the best perimeter defender in the class (like him over Cason Wallace bc of his size).