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mavErika · 07-28-2009, 05:05 PM

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Tim Thomas & Drew Gooden combine for 16 teams in 19 seasons...

('nuff said!)

haha. maybe they can help RC with strategy and calls from coaches in half of the league.

if only Drew could remember those play calls...

CadBane · 07-28-2009, 01:21 AM

TT, Gooden, Hump, Marion. That's a lot of guys for backup minutes at the 4.

I actually like TT (not as a person) because he can hit the three. But it seems like the front court is getting a little crowded. It would be nice to ship some of these spare parts out for a legit SG.

Mavsfan4ever · 07-28-2009, 01:23 AM

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Originally Posted by CadBane

TT, Gooden, Hump, Marion. That's a lot of guys for backup minutes at the 4.

I actually like TT (not as a person) because he can hit the three. But it seems like the front court is getting a little crowded. It would be nice to ship some of these spare parts out for a legit SG.

I can't see why the FO would not package some of these parts with the buckshot when the time comes.

Dirkadirkastan · 07-28-2009, 01:41 AM

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I actually like TT (not as a person) because he can hit the three.

With all this focus on the elusive big-center-that-can-score-and-play-defense, we've forgotten that our percentage on threes last year was deplorable.

Mavsfan4ever · 07-28-2009, 01:44 AM

I say give Thomas a limited number of minutes off the bench and see what he delivers from three point range.

dude1394 · 07-28-2009, 09:00 AM

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With all this focus on the elusive big-center-that-can-score-and-play-defense, we've forgotten that our percentage on threes last year was deplorable.

Yup....it was about the only category that we were way,way down in the league stat standings. Offense, rebounding were quite good. FTA's and 3pt% were woeful.

92bDad · 07-28-2009, 01:30 AM

All the hate on this thread...you'ldathought that the Mavs signed some 7' something Russian

Can we not at least wait until September/October before we throw the baby out with the bathwater? Who knows, we just might get lucky...

Mavsfan4ever · 07-28-2009, 01:34 AM

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Originally Posted by 92bDad

All the hate on this thread...you'ldathought that the Mavs signed some 7' something Russian

Can we not at least wait until September/October before we throw the baby out with the bathwater? Who knows, we just might get lucky...

I like the way you think.

mavs777 · 07-28-2009, 02:15 AM

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Originally Posted by 92bDad

All the hate on this thread...you'ldathought that the Mavs signed some 7' something Russian

Can we not at least wait until September/October before we throw the baby out with the bathwater? Who knows, we just might get lucky...

_____ you Racist

Windmill360 · 07-28-2009, 01:33 AM

I don't even....

Dirkadirkastan · 07-28-2009, 01:35 AM

What's funny about this is that just yesterday I just watched that '06 WCF Game 5 for the first time in years.

It started when Stack committed an offensive foul on Raja Bell away from the ball. After the whistle, Thomas took a swipe at the ball in Dirk's hands but Dirk pulled away and Thomas missed. Then Dirk tossed the ball off Thomas' shoulder and the two started jawing at each other. That's when the infamous kiss was blown and the double technical was called.

Considering how badly Thomas was burned by the end of that game, do you really think Thomas wants to bring it up again?

Rick41 · 07-28-2009, 01:37 AM

I cannot see myself rooting for TimT. No way in hell.

esoteric562 · 07-28-2009, 01:45 AM

noo...... i hated this a-hole when he was a sun..... can't stand that dumb hand motion to his face that he does..... noooooooooOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!

grndmstr_c · 07-28-2009, 01:45 AM

Looking at the Mavs' minute distribution in the playoffs last season and thinking about how it might look with the current roster (including Gooden and TT) instead of the one the Mavs actually had available. Three things:

1) Wright and Bass, undoubtedly the two most significant subtractions, combined for just under 36mpg in the playoffs. That sounds like it's just about the right amount of time on court for Marion, and that is a sizable upgrade for the Mavs at the top of the rotation.

2) Hollins, who appears likely to head elsewhere much to the chagrin of a number of overly sentimental Dallas fans, played 9.3 mpg. Worst case scenario now would appear to be that those minutes go to Drew Gooden. There's something to be said for having a center available to play the center position, but you're kidding yourself if you think Gooden won't bring a lot more to the table than Hollins would have. Another clear upgrade.

3) Gerald Green and Matt Carroll combined for just under 8 mpg. Those minutes now go to TT, presumably, and perhaps Ross, and that is also all to the good.

Now, there will be other minute shifts, but if you trust Carlisle then at least you can trust that if Gooden plays 20+ mpg it'll be because he's earned 20+ mpg. Bottom line, while the two (potential) newest Mavericks unquestionably leave something to be desired, let's not lose sight of the fact that with those signings the Mavs will have achieved upgrades throughout their rotation, from the core down to the fringe guys. Put it all in context and this figures to be a much improved team.

chumdawg · 07-28-2009, 02:10 AM

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Originally Posted by grndmstr_c

Looking at the Mavs' minute distribution in the playoffs last season and thinking about how it might look with the current roster (including Gooden and TT) instead of the one the Mavs actually had available. Three things:

1) Wright and Bass, undoubtedly the two most significant subtractions, combined for just under 36mpg in the playoffs. That sounds like it's just about the right amount of time on court for Marion, and that is a sizable upgrade for the Mavs at the top of the rotation.

2) Hollins, who appears likely to head elsewhere much to the chagrin of a number of overly sentimental Dallas fans, played 9.3 mpg. Worst case scenario now would appear to be that those minutes go to Drew Gooden. There's something to be said for having a center available to play the center position, but you're kidding yourself if you think Gooden won't bring a lot more to the table than Hollins would have. Another clear upgrade.

3) Gerald Green and Matt Carroll combined for just under 8 mpg. Those minutes now go to TT, presumably, and perhaps Ross, and that is also all to the good.

Now, there will be other minute shifts, but if you trust Carlisle then at least you can trust that if Gooden plays 20+ mpg it'll be because he's earned 20+ mpg. Bottom line, while the two (potential) newest Mavericks unquestionably leave something to be desired, let's not lose sight of the fact that with those signings the Mavs will have achieved upgrades throughout their rotation, from the core down to the fringe guys. Put it all in context and this figures to be a much improved team.

Nice analysis.

aexchange · 07-28-2009, 07:04 AM

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Originally Posted by grndmstr_c

Looking at the Mavs' minute distribution in the playoffs last season and thinking about how it might look with the current roster (including Gooden and TT) instead of the one the Mavs actually had available. Three things:

1) Wright and Bass, undoubtedly the two most significant subtractions, combined for just under 36mpg in the playoffs. That sounds like it's just about the right amount of time on court for Marion, and that is a sizable upgrade for the Mavs at the top of the rotation.

2) Hollins, who appears likely to head elsewhere much to the chagrin of a number of overly sentimental Dallas fans, played 9.3 mpg. Worst case scenario now would appear to be that those minutes go to Drew Gooden. There's something to be said for having a center available to play the center position, but you're kidding yourself if you think Gooden won't bring a lot more to the table than Hollins would have. Another clear upgrade.

3) Gerald Green and Matt Carroll combined for just under 8 mpg. Those minutes now go to TT, presumably, and perhaps Ross, and that is also all to the good.

Now, there will be other minute shifts, but if you trust Carlisle then at least you can trust that if Gooden plays 20+ mpg it'll be because he's earned 20+ mpg. Bottom line, while the two (potential) newest Mavericks unquestionably leave something to be desired, let's not lose sight of the fact that with those signings the Mavs will have achieved upgrades throughout their rotation, from the core down to the fringe guys. Put it all in context and this figures to be a much improved team.

really spot on analysis. not sure why there is so much hate towards this move, but personally i've always liked the thought of having a 9th or 10th man who can actually play versus a project who needs more development. we are clearly at the point where we are trying to win now, so don't have any issues with this move and am actually a big fan.

sike · 07-28-2009, 03:48 PM

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Originally Posted by grndmstr_c

Looking at the Mavs' minute distribution in the playoffs last season and thinking about how it might look with the current roster (including Gooden and TT) instead of the one the Mavs actually had available. Three things:

1) Wright and Bass, undoubtedly the two most significant subtractions, combined for just under 36mpg in the playoffs. That sounds like it's just about the right amount of time on court for Marion, and that is a sizable upgrade for the Mavs at the top of the rotation.

2) Hollins, who appears likely to head elsewhere much to the chagrin of a number of overly sentimental Dallas fans, played 9.3 mpg. Worst case scenario now would appear to be that those minutes go to Drew Gooden. There's something to be said for having a center available to play the center position, but you're kidding yourself if you think Gooden won't bring a lot more to the table than Hollins would have. Another clear upgrade.

3) Gerald Green and Matt Carroll combined for just under 8 mpg. Those minutes now go to TT, presumably, and perhaps Ross, and that is also all to the good.

Now, there will be other minute shifts, but if you trust Carlisle then at least you can trust that if Gooden plays 20+ mpg it'll be because he's earned 20+ mpg. Bottom line, while the two (potential) newest Mavericks unquestionably leave something to be desired, let's not lose sight of the fact that with those signings the Mavs will have achieved upgrades throughout their rotation, from the core down to the fringe guys. Put it all in context and this figures to be a much improved team.

another voice of reason

jthig32 · 07-28-2009, 03:55 PM

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another voice of reason

So the voices of reasons are the ones that agree with you?

Just checking.

sike · 07-28-2009, 03:56 PM

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So the voices of reasons are the ones that agree with you?

just not the ones jumping....

bernardos70 · 07-28-2009, 01:57 AM

I don't know, shooter? He's a shooter? I mean, he makes me want to shoot myself, but a shooter? He can shoot, but he usually misses. Dampier can do that.

The question is how many minutes of the Mavs game am I gonna be forced to miss (aka how many minutes is he getting?).

Mavsfan4ever · 07-28-2009, 02:02 AM

Here is Thomas career % from the three point range .369

Dirkadirkastan · 07-28-2009, 02:13 AM

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Here is Thomas career % from the three point range .369

If you break it down, you can see there's a huge variance depending on which team he plays for. With the Suns and Knicks, he's around 43%, but as low as 30% one year with the Clippers. Seems like his production really depends on what system he plays for.

Oh wait, let's not talk basketball, let's talk about how we hate his attitude.

92bDad · 07-28-2009, 08:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Mavsfan4ever

Here is Thomas career % from the three point range .369

Interesting, so here's a formula:

100 three point shots taken x .369 = 110 points
100 two point shots taken x .45 = 90 points

I know, it's crazy to do stat work, but given our trouble with hitting the three, it may be of some use to have someone who can focus on 3's, even at 36% as it does give you more points than an average 2 point performance.

Now, with Matrix and some development from other players, we at least need to have some type of deep paint threat...beit slashing or posting. Doing something to keep defenses honest.

The mix that I'm seeing on the Mavs is perhaps not the best of all worlds, but it has potential as it will take some level of focus off of Dirk...or at least give Dirk some better options to dish off to, or get bailed out in double/triple teams.

Call me crazy, but I see this team improving on it's win total next year...and if they gel together, they just could make a run as a sleeper team. I like being the underdog, especially when you have some horses who may still be hungry enough to push the envelope.

LonghornDub · 07-28-2009, 08:24 PM

Well, as long as it's only for the vet min, I suppose I'll hold off on the Drain-o. I bought the bottle today though, so I'm ready at a moment's notice.

EricaLubarsky · 07-28-2009, 08:47 PM

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Well, as long as it's only for the vet min, I suppose I'll hold off on the Drain-o. I bought the bottle today though, so I'm ready at a moment's notice.

It's true what they say. Cops and women don't mix. It's like eating a spoonful of Drain-o: Sure, it'll clean you out, but it'll leave you hollow inside.

RoddyB#3 · 07-28-2009, 02:07 AM

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Originally Posted by bernardos70

I don't know, shooter? He's a shooter? I mean, he makes me want to shoot myself, but a shooter? He can shoot, but he usually misses. Dampier can do that.

The question is how many minutes of the Mavs game am I gonna be forced to miss (aka how many minutes is he getting?).

I'm not a fan of TT, but the man can shoot.

Zaknaf3in · 07-28-2009, 03:22 AM

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Originally Posted by bernardos70

I don't know, shooter? He's a shooter? I mean, he makes me want to shoot myself, but a shooter? He can shoot, but he usually misses. Dampier can do that.

The question is how many minutes of the Mavs game am I gonna be forced to miss (aka how many minutes is he getting?).

Greatness. I lol'ed.

sefant77 · 07-28-2009, 04:47 AM

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Originally Posted by bernardos70

I don't know, shooter? He's a shooter? I mean, he makes me want to shoot myself, but a shooter?

awesome

Windmill360 · 07-28-2009, 02:01 AM

The question is going to be: "unless we're going to use his contract as another 'chip', did we really need him?"

dirno2000 · 07-28-2009, 02:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Windmill360

The question is going to be: "unless we're going to use his contract as another 'chip', did we really need him?"

I think when you get past the 8th man in the rotation the question becomes "can we use him".

mac222b · 07-28-2009, 02:25 AM

We can use his shooting. He can get his shot off over anyone. Scores in bunches. I actually like this signing. Think of it/him as Van Horn circa '06. Just gives us more flexibility. Like Gooden, i don't think TT is a bad dude. Just a flake. Marion,TT,Ross-- while none of them are great shooters(Thomas could've been if he cared more)they can all make an open 3.

Nowitzki4President · 07-28-2009, 02:28 AM

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We can use his shooting. He can get his shot off over anyone. Scores in bunches. I actually like this signing. Think of it/him as Van Horn circa '06. Just gives us more flexibility. Like Gooden, i don't think TT is a bad dude. Just a flake. Marion,TT,Ross-- while none of them are great shooters(Thomas could've been if he cared more)they can all make an open 3.

That's a pretty good point. I just hope he's our 3rd option on PF, and not the 2nd. Kind of as an extra rather than someone to depend on.

DevinHarriswillstart · 07-28-2009, 02:46 AM

I'm so glad that we're going for the likes of Gooden and Tim Thomas over scrubs like Okafur.

You know, a blind, monkey, wombat that is half paralyzed and really let itself go could see that we needed a center. I mean, if Gortat was seriously the ONLY plan to get a center. Why? Gortat isn't the last center on earth. I mean jiminy christmas.

MavsWiLLHaVeRinGs · 07-28-2009, 02:59 AM

When Damp lands us nobody special we'll look back and say "remember when we could of gotten Okafor for Damp? instead we got Tim Thomas."

Dirkadirkastan · 07-28-2009, 03:06 AM

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When Damp lands us nobody special we'll look back and say "remember when we could of gotten Okafor for Damp? instead we got Tim Thomas."

Nah, I doubt I would butcher the English language like that.

I like how you assume Charlotte would have accepted the trade, as well as assume Damp will bring us less in a year it holds more value.

MavsWiLLHaVeRinGs · 07-28-2009, 03:11 AM

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Nah, I doubt I would butcher the English language like that.

I'm so glad we gotta english teacher 'round hear to correct all of tha minor grammer misstakes 'round here. Thank yas so much!

(It's a forum, Chill TFO)

I should of clarified though, assuming the rumor Okafor for Damp is true. (But you did come across as a bit of an ass that post, just an FYI. Butchered the english language for "could of"? come on. According to urban dictionary, could have is wrong. Since this is an NBA team's forum where most NBA players frequently use the urban dictionary, including new Dallas Mavericks player Shawn Marion, "could of" is allowed.)