Mavs draft Shane Larkin @ 18 - Page 3 - Dallas-Mavs.com Forums

ribosoma · 07-02-2013, 07:01 PM

I think it's safe to say that Larkin would be happy with the way this thread turned out. I don't know about you guys but I'm really proud of us.

This is how we do it.

EricaLubarsky · 07-07-2013, 09:02 PM

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oilfieldtrash · 07-08-2013, 06:50 AM

This thread is this website in a nutshell. Forum member criticizes plan powder and brings up valid points about the salary being slashed for the 3rd straight year and he gets told by a few gatekeeper internet tough guys to leave.

This website might bring back some members if the gatekeeper tough guys were either banned or they allowed dissenting opinions here.

spreedom · 07-08-2013, 07:09 AM

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This thread is this website in a nutshell. Forum member criticizes plan powder and brings up valid points about the salary being slashed for the 3rd straight year and he gets told by a few gatekeeper internet tough guys to leave.

This website might bring back some members if the gatekeeper tough guys were either banned or they allowed dissenting opinions here.

Strange, considering the tone of most of your posts....

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I'm not even having a basketball discussion with a fool such as yourself. You're welcome to read the basketball knowledge I drop in here and maybe learn something along the way but I don't consider you worthy of a serious dialogue. What was the contract you wanted to give Collison? 5 mil a year? lol.

oilfieldtrash · 07-08-2013, 07:29 AM

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Strange, considering the tone of most of your posts....

As you can gather from my post I'm past the point of having discussions with the gatekeepers. You guys understand this is someone elses website you guys have ruined? Congrats, twerps such as yourself have run other members to the other popular Dallas site.

Underdog · 07-08-2013, 07:59 AM

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As you can gather from my post I'm past the point of having discussions with the gatekeepers. You guys understand this is someone elses website you guys have ruined? Congrats, twerps such as yourself have run other members to the other popular Dallas site.

Well at least you brought the topic back to Shane Larkin, instead of ranting on about stuff that has nothing to do with what this thread is supposed to be about.

If you don't like the way people post here, then go find one of those other Mavs forums - nobody is forcing you to participate... But crying about the quality of the posters certainly isn't productive, nor is it endearing. The only thing that can come out of it is a flame war, and that certainly isn't going to improve the quality of discussion around here.

spreedom · 07-08-2013, 07:50 AM

Underdog · 07-08-2013, 08:01 AM

Speaking of Shane Larkin, is he going to be part of summer league? When does that start?

sike · 07-08-2013, 09:25 AM

I, for one, have been pretty regularly critical of the MBT over the past two seasons. And there have been plenty of other posters around here who have done the same. And while it has led to healthy discussions and a few arguments, I've never felt attacked or "flamed" by any poster that I respected. The idiots (of which there are many) will always swing to one extreme or the other...the knowledgeable posters tend to talk things through and even when they disagree, it ends civilly.

It has been sad to see many of our older GREAT posters fade away, but I think that is the nature of internet forums and not primarily about drop in quality. People get busy and priorities shift.

**ON TOPIC** I'm only mildly optimistic about Larkin. If people are thinking that he can be a quality starting PG in the league, I'm not sure I see it. A quality change of pace back up? Sure...that might be his role.

Underdog · 07-08-2013, 10:28 AM

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I'm only mildly optimistic about Larkin. If people are thinking that he can be a quality starting PG in the league, I'm not sure I see it. A quality change of pace back up? Sure...that might be his role.

Seems like "quality change of pace back up" is the role Carlisle has in mind for him, which is partially where all the Barea comparisons are coming from.

And it's not like he's going to be expected to play all that much to begin with anyway, seeing as how we have Calderon/Harris on the roster... The expectations should be low enough for him to ease into the NBA.

dude1394 · 07-08-2013, 04:52 PM

It is a refreshing thing to see them draft a player that can shoot however. It has been a while since we did that.

some1nw · 07-09-2013, 06:19 PM

http://www.nba.com/mavericks/video/2...n=larkin_video

Shane Larkin interviewed by Earl K Sneed

LSMF · 07-09-2013, 06:57 PM

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http://www.nba.com/mavericks/video/2...n=larkin_video

Shane Larkin interviewed by Earl K Sneed

Shane seems like a really smart, good kid. I really like that they've shown him video of how JJ used to run the Pick and Roll. I just hope he works as hard as possible, since he's a young guy he'll have distractions (Parties, nightlife, women). He'll have to learn how to get his mind right and stay focused. I think he'll be fine.

Rick41 · 07-12-2013, 06:46 PM

Awoj of Yahoo! reporting Larking broke his ankle today in Vegas.

Out 2-3 months.

Thomas86 · 07-12-2013, 06:49 PM

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Awoj of Yahoo! reporting Larking broke his ankle today in Vegas.

Out 2-3 months.

I hope he's not another Roddy B...

yahyes · 07-12-2013, 06:49 PM

Can't believe he broke his ankle during practice.

j0Shi · 07-12-2013, 07:41 PM

Can we catch a break with these injuries to our young guys. Please?

jamaljasonandjimmy · 07-12-2013, 09:18 PM

Shane Larkin breaks ankle. did crowder put the moves on him in practice?

SMC0007 · 07-12-2013, 09:19 PM

Ugh, damn.

sefant77 · 07-12-2013, 09:36 PM

Free Euro swag...

Eman · 07-21-2013, 02:25 PM

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1...yer-comparison

Check out this scouting report from Tony Barone, Memphis Grizzlies scout, on Shane Larkin. He thinks he'll be an all star, compares him, with his great athleticism, to a shorter Derrick Rose!

Can't wait to see Larkin play!

grndmstr_c · 07-21-2013, 03:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Eman

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1...yer-comparison

Check out this scouting report from Tony Barone, Memphis Grizzlies scout, on Shane Larkin. He thinks he'll be an all star, compares him, with his great athleticism, to a shorter Derrick Rose!

Can't wait to see Larkin play!

Always nice to hear good things. I don't get the Rose comparison at all, though, seeing as how Larkin's strength is shooting and Derrick's is (or at least has been) attacking the basket.

mac222b · 07-21-2013, 05:32 PM

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Always nice to hear good things. I don't get the Rose comparison at all, though, seeing as how Larkin's strength is shooting and Derrick's is (or at least has been) attacking the basket.

I don't really see Rose either. More Kevin Johnson to me

sefant77 · 12-15-2013, 11:28 AM

Hmmm, i hope this pick doesnt come back and bite us in the ass for not taking Giannis A.

Kid is super raw but definatly looks like a young Batum...

mac222b · 12-15-2013, 12:20 PM

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Hmmm, i hope this pick doesnt come back and bite us in the ass for not taking Giannis A.

Kid is super raw but definatly looks like a young Batum...

Just turned 19 a few days ago! He would go either 1st or 2nd after MCW if they did a redraft today. Oladipo or Steven Adams maybe 3rd. Anthony Bennett-- undrafted

dude1394 · 12-15-2013, 01:34 PM

6' 9" versus 6' 0"... Always a risk.

oilfieldtrash · 12-15-2013, 05:05 PM

Donnie is the international bball genius folks. Also a highly respected draft guru as well.

mac222b · 12-15-2013, 09:26 PM

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Donnie is the international bball genius folks. Also a highly respected draft guru as well.

I pointed this out in last nights GDT but the irony is this past draft was the one where they should've gone for the high upside prospect. In a weak draft why not swing for the fences? At the very least stash a guy like the Greek Freak in Europe for a year and save money that way instead of having to trade down and give players away. Oh well, at least the Spurs didnt somehow find a way to move up for him.

I wish that we were privy to some of the "war room" decision making. It seems like Larkin, Crowder, Sarge are Carlisle "underdog" type players. We know MCW was at the top of their board and supposedly a deal was in place to move at some point if a player slipped one more spot. Also from I can recall the scouting department has been largely unchanged for going on a decade.

One of the reasons everyone was so excited about Rosas-- a fresh set of eyes seems sorely needed. At least talent evaluation wise. Terrence Jones was picked by Houston(while Rosas was there) one pick after ours. He's a legit player and trade piece who hasnt turned 22 yet. Cunningham, Crowder and Sarge all look like busts, though Cunningham could still do something. And anyway you look at that Cunningham deal was slightly embarassing. Having to move down 2 spots and give a 2nd rd. pick just for the privilege of disposing of the previous year's 1st rd. pick. Geeez...

Larkin and Crowder seem like nice hard-working guys and there is value in that for sure. Its just that they're both most likely limited to being 8-9th men types due to physical limitations. MBT has been great at identifying players whose perceived value is low around the league like Brandon Wright, Tyson, Bass. Heck, even Monta

I trust them to get it right in free agency and the trade market. Just seems like drafting one or two difference makers every decade or so is a tough way to get it done. For proof look no further than the Bucks

GermanStandard · 12-16-2013, 10:41 AM

Larkin wont do much in this leauge.

I dont know why we always have to draft guys that are limited because of their bodies/frame.

The only good thing is that most of the class last year were busts so far.

Only good Players i see out of 2013 right now are Oladipo, MCW, Giannis A., McLemore and maybe Steven Adams (big maybe).

Underdog · 12-16-2013, 11:37 AM

Larkin looks fine so far - what's the complaint?

The only rookies who are clearly outperforming him were also picked higher than him... I guess we should blame Dirk for willing this team to .500 last season? Hell, we could easily blame Dirk for all of our picks over the last decade - that guy sucks at tanking.

LSMF · 12-16-2013, 12:02 PM

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Larkin looks fine so far - what's the complaint?

The only rookies who are clearly outperforming him were also picked higher than him... I guess we should blame Dirk for willing this team to .500 last season? Hell, we could easily blame Dirk for all of our picks over the last decade - that guy sucks at tanking.

I agree, UD. I honestly think as long as Larkin is in that Gym getting shots up, watching film and getting stronger he will continue to improve. His size may always be a limitation for him, but that doesn't mean he can't out-hustle and outsmart opponents.

GhostOfAdamMorrison · 12-16-2013, 05:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Underdog

Larkin looks fine so far - what's the complaint?

The only rookies who are clearly outperforming him were also picked higher than him... I guess we should blame Dirk for willing this team to .500 last season? Hell, we could easily blame Dirk for all of our picks over the last decade - that guy sucks at tanking.

Except for the fact that even with our first round picks, we absolutely blow them on scrubs like Cunningham and mediocre ceiling players like Larkin, when far better talent is on the table...

FreshJive · 12-16-2013, 05:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Underdog

Larkin looks fine so far - what's the complaint?

The only rookies who are clearly outperforming him were also picked higher than him... I guess we should blame Dirk for willing this team to .500 last season? Hell, we could easily blame Dirk for all of our picks over the last decade - that guy sucks at tanking.

We had a high enough pick to draft The Alphabet, but traded down. Has nothing to do with being .500. Has more to do with us chasing Dwight.

EricaLubarsky · 12-16-2013, 12:02 PM

Larkin will be fine. He's got about the same upside as JJB, which is fine for an 18th pick. He's actually pretty solid defensively considering his size and has good leadership and poise. He'll never be Chris Paul, but he also will have a role on a team as long as he's healthy for the next 5-7 years at least.

EricaLubarsky · 12-16-2013, 06:10 PM

I'd love to discuss, but not with someone who is condescending like that.

I said "almost" and also edited to reflect that Giannis is performing better (although PER is terrible to compare forwards and guards, because PER over-emphasizes rebounding)

I was also talking about who was available between 13 and 18. I wasn't talking about how we drafted, but in the impact of trading down. I'd love to also have a discussion about how well we draft again, but also not with someone whose answer to everything is to say that it's not worth talking to people that aren't as smart as you.

GhostOfAdamMorrison · 12-16-2013, 09:55 PM

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I'd love to discuss, but not with someone who is condescending like that.

I said "almost" and also edited to reflect that Giannis is performing better (although PER is terrible to compare forwards and guards, because PER over-emphasizes rebounding)

I was also talking about who was available between 13 and 18. I wasn't talking about how we drafted, but in the impact of trading down. I'd love to also have a discussion about how well we draft again, but also not with someone whose answer to everything is to say that it's not worth talking to people that aren't as smart as you.

1. PER doesn't over-emphasize rebounding. I don't know where you came up with that idea. CP3 is third in the NBA in PER. Isaiah Thomas is 13th. Moreover, Giannis is only averaging 3.9 RPG.

2. Larkin obviously isn't as talented as Giannis. That's clear to anyone who has watched them both play. You'd be hard pressed to find a single GM who thinks Larkin has a higher ceiling than Giannis (or Schroeder, for that matter).

The fact is, you tend to overrate Mavs players once they put on a Mavs jersey. You, with a straight face, said Monta Ellis could average a double-double during pre-season.

Ager, DoJo, Cunnigham, Crowder, James, Larkin...the Mavs drafting has undeniably been very poor. Larkin is a small PG with a short wingspan and he isn't a great passer. He'll never be more than a 3rd PG on a good team.

grndmstr_c · 12-16-2013, 10:20 PM

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1. PER doesn't over-emphasize rebounding. I don't know where you came up with that idea. CP3 is third in the NBA in PER. Isaiah Thomas is 13th. Moreover, Giannis is only averaging 3.9 RPG.

Three things:
1.) Dirk currently ranks behind Lamar Aldridge in PER almost solely on account of the difference in their rebounding numbers, so I'm a little surprised to see you take that position.

2.) it could easily be claimed that CP and Thomas are still under-rated by PER in spite of their high rankings.

3.) PER isn't a per-game stat (as I'm sure you know), and in fact Giannis rebounding percentage is almost as high as Marion's, so that aspect of his production is definitely influencing his rating.

That aside, it's simply too early to pass judgement on the Larkin pick, or determine what Dallas gave up (outside of ceiling and potential) by trading down from 13. I doubt you'd find a single GM who would claim otherwise this early in the game.

EricaLubarsky · 12-16-2013, 10:36 PM

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The fact is, you tend to overrate Mavs players once they put on a Mavs jersey.

Oh really?

LSMF · 12-16-2013, 08:38 PM

I honestly don't think Carlislie would be the right coach for Giannis.

sefant77 · 12-16-2013, 09:56 PM

And Sullinger showing several teams the middlefinger, he dropped a lot in the 2012. We could have picked him too. Had #17 but did the trade with the Cavs for #24 #32 #43: Cunningham, Sarge, Crowder.

Damn