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SMC0007 · 06-28-2023, 11:15 PM

Reggie has burned me beyond hope. I'm not even wasting any hope that he gets traded which seems like the only logical reason we didn't waive and save. Swell guy and all but when you're a 3&D guy and you don't 3 and don't D...you got jack shit.

Amarelooms · 06-28-2023, 11:25 PM

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Reggie has burned me beyond hope. I'm not even wasting any hope that he gets traded which seems like the only logical reason we didn't waive and save. Swell guy and all but when you're a 3&D guy and you don't 3 and don't D...you got jack shit.

He is hot garbage. Needs be include in any trade

DevinHarriswillstart · 06-29-2023, 08:00 AM

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Originally Posted by SMC0007

Reggie has burned me beyond hope. I'm not even wasting any hope that he gets traded which seems like the only logical reason we didn't waive and save. Swell guy and all but when you're a 3&D guy and you don't 3 and don't D...you got jack shit.

I wanna move on from most of the roster, but until we have replacements, welp...

That's why I'm not totally and complete opposed to Ayton. 1. It helps big time with rebounding which still hasn't been addressed. 2. Center, position of need. 3. We get rid of THJ.

Like, would you rather have Ayton or Powell start? Because we all know what's gonna happen if we don't get a starting center...

SMC0007 · 06-29-2023, 12:59 PM

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I wanna move on from most of the roster, but until we have replacements, welp...

That's why I'm not totally and complete opposed to Ayton. 1. It helps big time with rebounding which still hasn't been addressed. 2. Center, position of need. 3. We get rid of THJ.

Like, would you rather have Ayton or Powell start? Because we all know what's gonna happen if we don't get a starting center...

Obviously not Powell. I think healthy Holmes would start. I'm waiting to see what Kyrie does but if he's back. I'm fine with letting Holmes and Lively get their shot.

I'm more focused on getting a wing like Brown, who is an up and coming 2 way player that we need than center as of today. This may change in the near future though.

DevinHarriswillstart · 06-29-2023, 09:26 AM

Looks like Andre Drummond is our stop gap center per Stein.

Mavs really can't close the deal on a legit big man huh?

Melonhead · 06-29-2023, 09:29 AM

Draft night had me thinking optimistic for FA, of course the Mavs would end up with someone like Drummond.

DevinHarriswillstart · 06-29-2023, 09:46 AM

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Draft night had me thinking optimistic for FA, of course the Mavs would end up with someone like Drummond.

Nope. Draft is our FA.

Amarelooms · 06-29-2023, 09:30 AM

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Looks like Andre Drummond is our stop gap center per Stein.

Mavs really can't close the deal on a legit big man huh?

I?ll take him for 4-5 million a year.

BPo001 · 06-29-2023, 09:55 AM

Well at least Drummond should fix out rebounding problems. Not sure he does much else though. Stein says McGee is also out of Dallas? plans.

EricaLubarsky · 06-29-2023, 09:55 AM

Sounds like we got Drummond at Min or BAE

Not a bad stop gap as Lively gets experience

EricaLubarsky · 06-29-2023, 09:57 AM

Rumors are we are aggressively trying to dump McGee

Drummond/Lively/Kleber is our center spot? Not a top rotation but okay

Scoobay · 06-29-2023, 10:11 AM

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Rumors are we are aggressively trying to dump McGee

Drummond/Lively/Kleber is our center spot? Not a top rotation but okay

Holmes not going to get burn as a center for us? or does he slot as a PF?

can we realistically run a line up with Luka/Kyrie/Green/Hardy + big? Luka might have to be guard a big in that line up

EricaLubarsky · 06-29-2023, 10:30 AM

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Holmes not going to get burn as a center for us? or does he slot as a PF?

can we realistically run a line up with Luka/Kyrie/Green/Hardy + big? Luka might have to be guard a big in that line up

Oops! Forgot him. His size is limiting at 6?8? but he can be a smallball center in stretches if he?s not dealt (lots of rumors we?re trying to flip him) and he can play some four next to Lively/Maxi to help the rebounding.

That lineup is okay too. The only issue is Hardy. Small sample size but kyrie was our best PG defender. Luka is PG but he often matched up with the opposing SF/PF and Green defended SG/SF as well as anyone. The big issue would be rebounding. Kyrie and Luka were good but we?d need some decent contributions from center unless both teams just make everything and there aren?t boards to go around

Amarelooms · 06-29-2023, 10:42 AM

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Holmes not going to get burn as a center for us? or does he slot as a PF?

can we realistically run a line up with Luka/Kyrie/Green/Hardy + big? Luka might have to be guard a big in that line up

We will get 3d guy

purplefrog · 06-29-2023, 10:53 AM

"He's a dog. On defense he's a dog. Offensively, he can make shots". - Nico Harrison on Mike Miles Jr.

Thespiralgoeson · 06-29-2023, 10:01 AM

For anyone complaining about Drummond, the FA market for big men is pretty barren at the moment. You could do a lot worse than Drummond for a cheap stopgap. I'm hoping we can pull off a trade for a significant upgrade, but I'm not holding my breath. Teams aren't just going to give the Mavs a quality center out of kindness. They're almost certainly going to want Hardy or Green and/or FRP. Nobody is chomping at the bit for THJ and filler.

EricaLubarsky · 06-29-2023, 10:04 AM

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For anyone complaining about Drummond, the FA market for big men is pretty barren at the moment. You could do a lot worse than Drummond for a cheap stopgap. I'm hoping we can pull off a trade for a significant upgrade, but I'm not holding my breath. Teams aren't just going to give the Mavs a quality center out of kindness. They're almost certainly going to want THJ or Green and/or FRP. Nobody is chomping at the bit for THJ and filler.

Yeah the FA class like the draft class is BAD

Some decent centers available in trade but we have more needs to fill (backup 1, starting/stopgap 4, etc) so we?re going to go light on center with Lively getting some extra burn so we have the MLE and trades to address the rest

DevinHarriswillstart · 06-29-2023, 11:45 AM

I mean, Drummond is shockingly only 29 and yes, will help with rebounding. But 12 mpg on a Bulls team that couldn't defend isn't exactly a ringing endorsement.

As a stop gap center, it works. Just hope Lively plays better sooner vs later. At least the sooner part means you don't have max contract Ayton in the way.

twistaeffect2004 · 06-29-2023, 11:51 AM

Kyrie will meet with Suns and Mavs according to Chris Haynes.

Thespiralgoeson · 06-29-2023, 11:57 AM

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Kyrie will meet with Suns and Mavs according to Chris Haynes.

I mean I'm sure he'll meet with them, but unless he decides he just doesn't care about money anymore and is going to play for the min, there's no way. They're deep into the luxury tax.

Melonhead · 06-29-2023, 01:14 PM

I know he wants to create leverage and see what options are out there, but talking to Phoenix won?t create much leverage lol. They?re so deep in luxury tax and we?re getting Drummond supposedly.

Aplus23 · 06-29-2023, 01:51 PM

I like a C rotation of Holmes Drummond Lively.

Shot blocking with Lively
Rebounding with Drummond
Holmes, good screens and soft touch

All of them are lob threats & provide vertical spacing

EricaLubarsky · 06-29-2023, 12:08 PM

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Kyrie will meet with Suns and Mavs according to Chris Haynes.

Ha! Why?

It?s not like the Suns have cap space. They can?t sign him. Mavs are hard against SnT.

I guess they want a desperate plea for Kyrie to demand a SNT only to the Suns. Then we get stuck with Beal or Ayton and change?

Thespiralgoeson · 06-29-2023, 11:55 AM

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I mean, Drummond is shockingly only 29 and yes, will help with rebounding. But 12 mpg on a Bulls team that couldn't defend isn't exactly a ringing endorsement.

As a stop gap center, it works. Just hope Lively plays better sooner vs later. At least the sooner part means you don't have max contract Ayton in the way.

I mean, unfortunately we can only do so much in one offseason. As you said earlier, we pretty much have to overhaul the entire roster. No matter how aggressive Nico is, chances are we're going to go into next season with at least one of those holes still there.

DevinHarriswillstart · 06-29-2023, 12:21 PM

Yeah, the Suns thing is a smokescreen. Even if they unloaded Ayton, it makes no sense. Don't even see that as a leverage play.

DevinHarriswillstart · 06-29-2023, 01:28 PM

Stein: Dallas's interest in Drummond is dependent on a trade that has not come to fruition.

Adds that Drummond has to opt out as well.

So I'm guessing if Drummond opts in, then the Mavs might have a trade on hand.

Which means Ayton or Drummond. Still have my money on the Ayton trade going through.

BPo001 · 06-29-2023, 01:53 PM

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Stein: Dallas's interest in Drummond is dependent on a trade that has not come to fruition.

Adds that Drummond has to opt out as well.

So I'm guessing if Drummond opts in, then the Mavs might have a trade on hand.

Which means Ayton or Drummond. Still have my money on the Ayton trade going through.

Maybe it?s Mavs trying to trade McGee first?

Aplus23 · 06-29-2023, 01:53 PM

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Stein: Dallas's interest in Drummond is dependent on a trade that has not come to fruition.

Adds that Drummond has to opt out as well.

So I'm guessing if Drummond opts in, then the Mavs might have a trade on hand.

Which means Ayton or Drummond. Still have my money on the Ayton trade going through.

They're probably trying to get off of McGee's contract

EricaLubarsky · 06-29-2023, 01:38 PM

Steins believes there is an unpublished trade

Also that the Mavs are ?aggressivey? shopping

EricaLubarsky · 06-29-2023, 02:06 PM

Stein: imminent trade is NOT Ayton related

Melonhead · 06-29-2023, 02:17 PM

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Stein: imminent trade is NOT Ayton related

Definitely moving McGee imo

DevinHarriswillstart · 06-29-2023, 02:37 PM

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Stein: imminent trade is NOT Ayton related

Weird. Capela?

MFFL · 06-29-2023, 02:41 PM

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Weird. Capela?

Doubtful. We wouldn't need Drummond then

DevinHarriswillstart · 06-29-2023, 02:54 PM

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Doubtful. We wouldn't need Drummond then

So the trade would be instead of getting Drummond as I understand it.

Meaning, trade for big, don't sign Drummond?

DevinHarriswillstart · 06-29-2023, 02:58 PM

Drummond opts in to stay with Bulls.

Well that was fun to think about for half a day.

DevinHarriswillstart · 06-29-2023, 03:02 PM

Lakers waive Mo Bamba. I mean, if it mean't no Powell I'd take a flyer, but can the guy be any good for the Lakers to not want him?

MFFL · 06-29-2023, 03:26 PM

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Lakers waive Mo Bamba. I mean, if it mean't no Powell I'd take a flyer, but can the guy be any good for the Lakers to not want him?

I'd try him for a min contract but I doubt if there's much there. But he's only 25 years old

MFFL · 06-29-2023, 03:51 PM

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BREAKING: 76ers G James Harden is picking up his $35.6 million option and sides are beginning to work together in exploring trade scenarios, sources tell ESPN. It?s expected that Harden has played his last game for Philadelphia.

Thespiralgoeson · 06-29-2023, 03:59 PM

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BREAKING: 76ers G James Harden is picking up his $35.6 million option and sides are beginning to work together in exploring trade scenarios, sources tell ESPN. It?s expected that Harden has played his last game for Philadelphia.

Back to Houston, probably? That's been the chatter for weeks now.

BPo001 · 06-29-2023, 04:02 PM

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Back to Houston, probably? That's been the chatter for weeks now.

I don?t see why Houston would want him. You?re rebuilding, so why bring in a 34 year old guy who forced his way out of town? If you?re Harden and you want to go back to Houston clearly you aren?t interested in winning a ring.