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Melonhead · 02-27-2015, 12:15 AM

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Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

I'm not saying that it wasn't the right move from a policy POV, but what started as a relatively normal screaming match turned into an issue with the suspension. I understand why, but I'm not sure I do it from a perception standpoint. It's a tough call.

I don't think that was a relatively normal screaming match. Rondo totally disrespected Carlisle and then wouldn't shut his mouth when they were both on the bench. Then at it again in the locker room. You don't disrespect your coach aND there not be consequences. And if you let him get away with just the screaming on the court, you're still setting a precedent. Not to mention he's new to the team. He has to realize this isnt Boston and he doesn't run the show, coach does.

[/QUOTE]I really don't think TMac is being irresponsible with this. Maybe a little overzealous, but he was the one who reported the argument in the lockerroom after game which answered the suspension question.[/QUOTE]

Totally agree.

Murphy3 · 02-27-2015, 12:18 AM

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Originally Posted by kg_veteran

I think everyone should just chill out.

If Rondo is as smart as everyone claims that he is, he's going to figure out pretty quickly that it's in his best interest to get along with Carlisle, for however long he's here. There's absolutely no way he's getting the big contract offer he covets with his current level of play. Beyond that, I think that the way the numbers work out, he's probably going to get the best offer from Dallas, regardless of the level of his play going forward.

In other words, I think Rondo and the Mavericks are still likely tied together for a few years to come.

I don't really buy that Rondo is all that smart.. Especially off the court.

LonghornDub · 02-27-2015, 12:19 AM

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Originally Posted by kg_veteran

Not questioning the fact that he's well-informed, but the whole narrative is, by design, an attention grab that would make Skip Bayless proud. It doesn't draw nearly as many "clicks" if you go with the "hang in there, folks, they'll work this out" angle.

That's right, but with an outlet like ESPN, I honestly never know how much of the attention mongering starts with the writer or how much of it starts with the editors (or just the top-down policy of generating click-throughs).

Either way, I think it's certainly the case that Tim worded this all a bit too strongly.

Murphy3 · 02-27-2015, 12:19 AM

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Originally Posted by LonghornDub

First, Tim MacMahon is a good reporter. Everyone's allowed their opinion as to his personality--and I can understand why some don't like him (I do, personally)--but he's a good reporter.

Second, while Tim himself admitted he was just giving his opinion, it's obviously a (highly) informed opinion. So while he may not actually know what's going to happen, he's certainly more plugged in than any of us not named Ballin'.

Third, regardless of how informed Tim's opinion is, there's no real value in assessing Rondo's chances to re-sign right now. Every party involved in that decision, Rondo himself included, will be affected by what the Mavs do between now and July. Calculating the "likelihood" right now is like calculating the likelihood that Team A will win a game that's 35-30 in the second quarter. There's obviously some percentage you can put on Team A's chances to win, but with so much time left, the percentage has hardly any predictive value.

(In fairness, I've been guilty of number three myself. But incidents like the one the other night really serve as a reminder that sports can be incredibly volatile, and there's usually not much point in assessing binary outcomes this far in advance.)

Very, very few are as plugged in as McMahon.

Underdog · 02-27-2015, 01:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Murphy3

Very, very few are as plugged in as McMahon.

Very, very few are as plugged in as Brian Williams...

markus1234 · 02-27-2015, 08:27 AM

MacMahon is great, dunno why people do not like him.

MacMahon and Randy Galloway are(were) the only guys who ask difficult questions.

Read this for example.

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But speaking of both Dirk and bad timing...

There was a report Wednesday that a certain former Mav will be recognized this week as the Defensive Player of the Year in the NBA.

Maybe you remember Tyson Chandler, leader and enforcer of a world championship team.

Chandler was deemed dumpable by the local owner because the local owner became all consumed in chasing some faraway fantasy.

http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/...avs-okc-timing

Can you imagine Earl K Sneed writing such a column ? lol.

Twenty4sevenn · 02-27-2015, 08:49 AM

I don't know how much of say MacMahon has on what exactly goes on ESPN Dallas, but right now there is a garbage video of some dummy with a "#hatehard" video blowing MacMahon entitled "Why You Mad Rick?"

I have a sneaking suspension that Tim had a hand in having it put up to bolster his own agenda. This jackass thinks by having a feud with Carlisle that he'll get his name out more or something.

The video is absolute garbage and has no place on any legitimate news site. The video isn't funny or clever and I'm embarrassed that it made it on the feed.

jthig32 · 02-27-2015, 09:30 AM

The only issue I have with the McMahon stuff is the incredibly blurred lines we have between reporting and opinion these days. Used to be, beat reporters basically never gave opinions. They stuck to facts and facts alone. Whether that was good or bad is up for debate, but it certainly kept things simpler.

What McMahon gave was, without question, an opinion. A very informed opinion, for sure, but an opinion. But other outlets pick it up, and attach the word "report" to it, and give it much more weight than it should have.

That's not really Tim's fault. He's clearly paid to do more than report. But other outlets just don't appear capable of drawing the distinction.

Twenty4sevenn · 02-27-2015, 09:54 AM

I'll just reiterate this for those who think this was a bad trade.

Jameer Nelson shooting with Mavs: 37% from the field, 37% from three
Rajon Rondo shooting with Mavs: 40% from the field, 38% from three

DavidDaMonkey · 02-27-2015, 11:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Twenty4sevenn

I have a sneaking suspension that Tim had a hand in having it put up to bolster his own agenda. This jackass thinks by having a feud with Carlisle that he'll get his name out more or something.

Is he wrong though? Look how much we've talked about him here.

KillerLeft · 02-27-2015, 11:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Vinsanity

I have no idea what's gonna happen with Rondo this summer... but I'm sure the Lakers (and/or Knicks) will throw max money at him.

How do you know this? As good as Rondo can be, I don't see any indication that he's a max player at all. Further, he's probably the worst fit in the league for PG in the triangle offense, so unless Jackson bails on NY after one year, I don't think the Knicks will even be in the mix for him, regardless of what rumors his agent and the NY media decide to circulate.

Now, the whole Kobe and LA thing is weird, and makes for a weird dynamic. I suppose I can see them throwing a desperate max offer at Rondo, but doing so just to placate a clearly fading Kobe would be utter stupidity, I think, so I wouldn't think that's terribly likely, either.

I guarantee you the Mavs aren't going to make Rajon Rondo their highest paid player, and they have to re-up with TY and Ellis this summer, too, so I don't think your nightmare will come true. I'd still put my money on the Mavs getting Rondo back, if they want him, and on a contract they think is fair.

KillerLeft · 02-27-2015, 11:08 AM

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Originally Posted by markus1234

MacMahon is great, dunno why people do not like him.

MacMahon and Randy Galloway are(were) the only guys who ask difficult questions.

Read this for example.

http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/...avs-okc-timing

Can you imagine Earl K Sneed writing such a column ? lol.

Markus, EKS is actually employed by the team. You get that, right?

Twenty4sevenn · 02-27-2015, 11:12 AM

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Originally Posted by DavidDaMonkey

Is he wrong though? Look how much we've talked about him here.

Mavs fans already knew about him. We aren't his target audience.

lonestar6 · 02-27-2015, 11:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Twenty4sevenn

I'll just reiterate this for those who think this was a bad trade.

Jameer Nelson shooting with Mavs: 37% from the field, 37% from three
Rajon Rondo shooting with Mavs: 40% from the field, 38% from three

Yeah I think the worst case is the trade doesn't make us better, but it didn't also doesn't really make us worse either, especially since Amar'e for Wright is basically a wash. So we in the end give up a first round draft pick for the gamble, which is totally worth the risk in my book.

I'm disappointed in the way the trade has worked out so far, but I'm still hopeful there is a chance it starts to click with Rondo by the time the playoffs roll around.

Kante · 02-27-2015, 11:36 AM

Man, i got in a heated exchange a few times with my coach (soccer). After the game is over, you talk and verything is good again. Happens "all the time" (not directly but you get what i mean).

Hopefully it does work out.

j0Shi · 02-27-2015, 11:40 AM

I personally don't care what guys including MacMahon is reporting, anybody who saw the incident and knows Rondo's and Rick's reputation has to assume that this experiment, at least long term, has officially failed.

Everybody said Rondo was sort of a bet and we probably lost that one.

And for those saying this is normal business: When was the last time Rick and a player clashed publicly? (honest question as I don't know)

markus1234 · 02-27-2015, 11:52 AM

Probably this one... http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...121100518.html

Kante · 02-27-2015, 12:32 PM

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Originally Posted by j0Shi

I personally don't care what guys including MacMahon is reporting, anybody who saw the incident and knows Rondo's and Rick's reputation has to assume that this experiment, at least long term, has officially failed.

Everybody said Rondo was sort of a bet and we probably lost that one.

And for those saying this is normal business: When was the last time Rick and a player clashed publicly? (honest question as I don't know)

Terry in 2011, Haywood (to a lesser extent) in 2011.

All not as "big" as the Rondo one, but still...

Am i the only one who doesn't think it's "not bad" what happened? As i said, it happens regulary, but not often in public.

KillerLeft · 02-27-2015, 12:38 PM

Kante, I am with you.

Stuff like this happens all the time, I think. This one just happened to take place in front of crowd on TV, unfortunately.

jthig32 · 02-27-2015, 01:05 PM

Stuff like this does NOT happen "all the time". Players are not suspended for insubordination "all the time".

I don't agree that it means the "bet" is "over", but this is not a great sign.

Windmill360 · 02-27-2015, 01:06 PM

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Originally Posted by markus1234

Probably this one... http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...121100518.html

He was traded to GS 16 games later.

KillerLeft · 02-27-2015, 01:08 PM

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Originally Posted by jthig32

Stuff like this does NOT happen "all the time". Players are not suspended for insubordination "all the time".

I don't agree that it means the "bet" is "over", but this is not a great sign.

Right, but was the suspension a response to the disturbance, which might be much more common than we think, or was it a response to the public nature of the disturbance?

jthig32 · 02-27-2015, 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by KillerLeft

Right, but was the suspension a response to the disturbance, which might be much more common than we think, or was it a response to the public nature of the disturbance?

Based on reports, it was due to the public disturbance not being the end of it, but rather another, even bigger disturbance happening in the locker room after the game.

Blowing up on the court is one thing (although even then, this wasn't a simple argument, it was Rondo openly defying the head coach, which is NOT common either), but having an hour to cool off and then blowing up AGAIN is a terrible sign moving forward.

markus1234 · 02-27-2015, 01:11 PM

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Originally Posted by KillerLeft

Right, but was the suspension a response to the disturbance, which might be much more common than we think, or was it a response to the public nature of the disturbance?

Or maybe this is what led to the suspension.... https://twitter.com/espn_macmahon/st...09901665800193

KillerLeft · 02-27-2015, 01:13 PM

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Originally Posted by jthig32

Based on reports, it was due to the public disturbance not being the end of it, but rather another, even bigger disturbance happening in the locker room after the game.

Blowing up on the court is one thing (although even then, this wasn't a simple argument, it was Rondo openly defying the head coach, which is NOT common either), but having an hour to cool off and then blowing up AGAIN is a terrible sign moving forward.

Yeah, I agree that the situation is far from ideal. I just don't think it's all a done deal at this point.

mavsfan1000 · 02-27-2015, 01:16 PM

I think the biggest drop in Rondo's game has been his FG percentage. He used to be better at attacking the paint. I believe he shot 46% at one point and 60% at the free throw line. Maybe aging and injuries have taken its toll.

KillerLeft · 02-27-2015, 01:20 PM

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Originally Posted by mavsfan1000

I think the biggest drop in Rondo's game has been his FG percentage. He used to be better at attacking the paint. I believe he shot 46% at one point and 60% at the free throw line. Maybe aging and injuries have taken its toll.

Or maybe it's just because none of the players around him are floor spacers, except for Dirk.

Allen, Pierce, KG...these guys were lethal catch-and-shoot guys. Rondo had the ball and free reign to create.

Right now, the Mavs are starting three ball handlers: Rondo, Ellis and Parsons. Something has got to give there, imo.

KillerLeft · 02-27-2015, 01:28 PM

For what it's worth, Jason Terry seems to think this will all work out.

http://stationcaster.com/player_skin...7953&f=4039343

Vinsanity · 02-27-2015, 02:54 PM

Apparently Rondo's happy, everything's back to normal, and he stayed late after practice working on his FTs. Very good signs.

scroll down this page for some quotes/vids of Rondo at practice today http://bleacherreport.com/dallas-mavericks

BGMaverick9 · 02-27-2015, 03:02 PM

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http://www.mavsoutsider.com/2015/02/...n-quote-board/

DevinHarriswillstart · 02-27-2015, 03:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Vinsanity

Apparently Rondo's happy, everything's back to normal, and he stayed late after practice working on his FTs. Very good signs.

scroll down this page for some quotes/vids of Rondo at practice today http://bleacherreport.com/dallas-mavericks

Love how all of the Mav stuff is jumbled on that one page. Good things.

Underdog · 02-27-2015, 03:07 PM

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Originally Posted by BGMaverick9

Quote Board:

http://www.mavsoutsider.com/2015/02/...n-quote-board/

"I think we have a great chance to win the championship."

Well, I've read enough...

EricaLubarsky · 02-27-2015, 03:16 PM

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Originally Posted by BGMaverick9

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http://www.mavsoutsider.com/2015/02/...n-quote-board/

Great stuff as always, BG. Great questions and great answers.

LonghornDub · 02-27-2015, 03:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Kante

Terry in 2011, Haywood (to a lesser extent) in 2011.

All not as "big" as the Rondo one, but still...

Am i the only one who doesn't think it's "not bad" what happened? As i said, it happens regulary, but not often in public.

I didn't think the on-court thing was that bad at all. But my opinion changed significantly when I read about the locker-room issue after the game. It's one thing to see a couple grown men argue in the heat of the moment, but if it's carrying over after the game (after a great win, no less), that's a much bigger deal, IMO.

DevinHarriswillstart · 02-27-2015, 03:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Underdog

"I think we have a great chance to win the championship."

Well, I've read enough...

"I'm going to do what's best for the team and play my heart out for the next 22 games..."

THAT is all I needed to hear. And I believe it.

Underdog · 02-27-2015, 04:11 PM

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Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

"I'm going to do what's best for the team and play my heart out for the next 22 games..."

THAT is all I needed to hear. And I believe it.

Well, he could be lying just to mess with people who post on Mavs forums...

Melonhead · 02-27-2015, 04:20 PM

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Originally Posted by jthig32

Based on reports, it was due to the public disturbance not being the end of it, but rather another, even bigger disturbance happening in the locker room after the game.

Blowing up on the court is one thing (although even then, this wasn't a simple argument, it was Rondo openly defying the head coach, which is NOT common either), but having an hour to cool off and then blowing up AGAIN is a terrible sign moving forward.

So this. Why are people trying to downplay this as a heated argument. This was open defiance, and he kept on disrespecting on the bench, and it spilled into something even more in the locker room. That is not normal coach/player arguments. He's still fresh to the team at that, and he's bold enough to call out the head honcho on the floor.

markus1234 · 02-27-2015, 04:53 PM

http://www.mavs.com/videos/practice-...rajon-rondo-4/

Kante · 02-27-2015, 08:13 PM

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Originally Posted by LonghornDub

I didn't think the on-court thing was that bad at all. But my opinion changed significantly when I read about the locker-room issue after the game. It's one thing to see a couple grown men argue in the heat of the moment, but if it's carrying over after the game (after a great win, no less), that's a much bigger deal, IMO.

Wasn't BG reporting that he met his former coach or something and this why he was late and didn't speak to the media?

Or am i messing it up (also a good option because it's me)?

BGMaverick9 · 02-27-2015, 08:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Kante

Wasn't BG reporting that he met his former coach or something and this why he was late and didn't speak to the media?

Or am i messing it up (also a good option because it's me)?

No one in the media saw an argument between Carlisle and Rondo but it has been reported based off of sources that would certainly know that it happened.

What I reported is that the media was around Rondo's locker, which isn't out of the ordinary. He got dressed and walked away real quick. That can be customary, too, because maybe he needs to grab something and will be right back. But he clearly saw a group of people waiting. He walked through them to get out of the area. He saw Tubby and started chatting with him. Tubby was about 5-7 feet away from the crowd. He opted to walk the opposite way of the media and just leave them there. Some of us saw him do that and tried to catch up with him.
http://www.mavsoutsider.com/2015/02/...ion-breakdown/